Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[Keys]

To get a sense of what life for businesses will be like once omicron does genuinely start to spread through the community -

My daughters boyfriend works at a reasonably sized bar. A cousin of one of the bar staff has tested positive which has in turn classified that staff member as a close contact forcing her into quarantine.

She did do a work shift prior to be told to quarantine, making all staff on that shift casual contacts for now. If she tests positive, all those staff members on her shift elevate to close contacts putting them in quarantine for 14 days

That will also mean any other staff that worked with those staff become casual contacts. It would only take one other staff member to then test positive to essentially put the majority of the bars employees into quarantine and the bar into mothballs for a couple of weeks because they’ll have no (or insufficient) staff available

That’s a pattern that will repeat itself across the city/state in the not too distant future.

Whilst I don’t like McGowan cancelling the Feb 5 reopening, I can sort of see why he’s pushed it back to delay the inevitable as long as possible

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

but we miss the point, you, led by the idiot premier and hysterical media, actually think elderly people in Sydney for example cannot leave their home safely. Keep drinking the kool aide.

What makes you think I think that? I haven’t said anything like that.

Go back and rewatch my posts.

I am sorry to hear about your mother, by the way.

 

[Balls In]

there’s no evidence that Covid is mostly just picking people off with a few months left to live,

The average age of those dying is 84 and most with at least one co-morbidity. It literally does mean its mostly picking off those with a few months to live. And that's why the proportionality argument comes in.

 

[amazingjoshy]

To get a sense of what life for businesses will be like once omicron does genuinely start to spread through the community -

My daughters boyfriend works at a reasonably sized bar. A cousin of one of the bar staff has tested positive which has in turn classified that staff member as a close contact forcing her into quarantine.

She did do a work shift prior to be told to quarantine, making all staff on that shift casual contacts for now. If she tests positive, all those staff members on her shift elevate to close contacts putting them in quarantine for 14 days

That will also mean any other staff that worked with those staff become casual contacts. It would only take one other staff member to then test positive to essentially put the majority of the bars employees into quarantine and the bar into mothballs for a couple of weeks because they’ll have no (or insufficient) staff available

That’s a pattern that will repeat itself across the city/state in the not too distant future.

Whilst I don’t like McGowan cancelling the Feb 5 reopening, I can sort of see why he’s pushed it back to delay the inevitable as long as possible

Mark McGowan expected to announce new definition for close contacts in WA

New definitions and protocols around close contacts and isolation requirements are set to be announced by the Premier as businesses struggle to operate while WA comes to grips with Omicron in the community.

www.abc.net.au

Going to be a balancing act between slowing the spread and getting the requirements right so businesses can continue I guess

 

[ziad]

What makes you think I think that? I haven’t said anything like that.

Go back and rewatch my posts.

I am sorry to hear about your mother, by the way.

your conclusions and what you write- sure I accept you dont know but isnt that the issue.

I was not allowed to attend my mothers funeral, along with tthree close family weddings. Just because WA has no faith in its public health system. Whats the point - risk is being managed to a level where public health systems can cope. But WA is prepared to be scared and miss informed. Just read the trash on this site as a tiny sample.

I happened to hear Mcidiots recent press conference - any person unable to see the just wrong information and xenophobic scare mongering should be restricted to social media and not the ballot box.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

your conclusions and what you write- sure I accept you dont know but isnt that the issue.

I’ve never said anything or pretended to know anything about what things are like in Sydney. Isn’t that the issue.

And if I did want to know anything about what things were like in Sydney, rest assured I wouldn’t ask you. Because your version of things and the actual version of things tend to be so far apart they’re unrecognizable.

Even after you rewatch them twice.

 

[larrikin]

I happened to hear Mcidiots recent press conference - any person unable to see the just wrong information and xenophobic scare mongering should be restricted to social media and not the ballot box.

It's really hard to have a balanced, sensible discussion with someone who descends to name calling.

 

[darksquare]

To get a sense of what life for businesses will be like once omicron does genuinely start to spread through the community -

My daughters boyfriend works at a reasonably sized bar. A cousin of one of the bar staff has tested positive which has in turn classified that staff member as a close contact forcing her into quarantine.

She did do a work shift prior to be told to quarantine, making all staff on that shift casual contacts for now. If she tests positive, all those staff members on her shift elevate to close contacts putting them in quarantine for 14 days

That will also mean any other staff that worked with those staff become casual contacts. It would only take one other staff member to then test positive to essentially put the majority of the bars employees into quarantine and the bar into mothballs for a couple of weeks because they’ll have no (or insufficient) staff available

That’s a pattern that will repeat itself across the city/state in the not too distant future.

Whilst I don’t like McGowan cancelling the Feb 5 reopening, I can sort of see why he’s pushed it back to delay the inevitable as long as possible

It looks to me like most of these problems are caused by the rules for COVID contacts. Instead, "stay home if you have symptoms, have tested positive, or share a household with someone who has tested positive" would cause less disruption.

 

[Rowan18]

To get a sense of what life for businesses will be like once omicron does genuinely start to spread through the community -

My daughters boyfriend works at a reasonably sized bar. A cousin of one of the bar staff has tested positive which has in turn classified that staff member as a close contact forcing her into quarantine.

She did do a work shift prior to be told to quarantine, making all staff on that shift casual contacts for now. If she tests positive, all those staff members on her shift elevate to close contacts putting them in quarantine for 14 days

That will also mean any other staff that worked with those staff become casual contacts. It would only take one other staff member to then test positive to essentially put the majority of the bars employees into quarantine and the bar into mothballs for a couple of weeks because they’ll have no (or insufficient) staff available

That’s a pattern that will repeat itself across the city/state in the not too distant future.

Whilst I don’t like McGowan cancelling the Feb 5 reopening, I can sort of see why he’s pushed it back to delay the inevitable as long as possible

This is a big reason why most other states changed the definition of contacts and reduced isolation time. I read today that WA will announce a similar thing today.

Regardless, looks like business will endure 2 months of pain once this thing rips.

 

[bzparkes]

It's really hard to have a balanced, sensible discussion with someone who descends to name calling.

Not sure you're in the correct thread for that tbh.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

This is a big reason why most other states changed the definition of contacts and reduced isolation time. I read today that WA will announce a similar thing today.

Regardless, looks like business will endure 2 months of pain once this thing rips.

Maybe redefine all this?

If you feel sick, go to the doctors / hospital, if not carry on like normal.

Treat it like the regular flu.

 

[DanWCE]

Maybe redefine all this?

If you feel sick, go to the doctors / hospital, if not carry on like normal.

Treat it like the regular flu.

If you feel sick with flu symptoms do not go to doctor / hospital. Go to a testing clinic.

 

[Rowan18]

Maybe redefine all this?

If you feel sick, go to the doctors / hospital, if not carry on like normal.

Treat it like the regular flu.

That seemed to be the gist of it. A close contact is only someone you spent 4+ hrs with and if you isolate, you do for 7 days (though they still debating it going to 5 days).

WA always has to be different, so I doubt we'll be that generous to start.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

That seemed to be the gist of it. A close contact is only someone you spent 4+ hrs with and if you isolate, you do for 7 days (though they still debating it going to 5 days).

WA always has to be different, so I doubt we'll be that generous to start.

Easy, walk out of the front of your door and walk right back in at 3hrs and 59mins. Not a close contact anymore

 

[larrikin]

Easy, walk out of the front of your door and walk right back in at 3hrs and 59mins. Not a close contact anymore

They didn't see you coming did they?

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

That’s also not true. There is significant evidence that COVID kills mostly people with existing issues that are already life threatening


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Life threatening in what way? My dad previously had cancer, had a minor heart attack 20 years ago, and has a history of heart disease in his family. If Covid were to pick him off tomorrow he'd probably be listed under the people with "existing health issues," but at the same time he's generally healthy now and there's a reasonable chance that he could live another 10+ years as long as he stays on top of his current healthy risks. You suggested that most of these people would have just died in the next flu season, which I've never seen any evidence of in media reports, and unsurprisingly you have provided no evidence to support this assertion.

 

[Seadog]

So my son in Adelaide has caught covid. In an unfortunate bit of timing he had his booster and got crook the next day, he put it down to side effects but 4 days later he was getting worse. He had a test and sure enough came back positive.
Been a week now and still crook. Having a booster after being infected might have made the symptoms worse than they otherwise might have been but I think you would have a hard time convincing him it is mild.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

or perhaps my mothers detention without family contact in what was he her final year. is that living?
but we miss the point, you, led by the idiot premier and hysterical media, actually think elderly people in Sydney for example cannot leave their home safely. Keep drinking the kool aide.
The elderly are clogging every cafe about the place. all with boosters and very sensible.

One thing worse that blindness is to see what is not there.

Huh, so you agree that people who have received their booster shot are at much less risk of serious infection and death, and therefore it is much easier for them to go about their day-to-day lives without worrying about Covid? One would think, then, that you might have supported the decision by our idiot premier to push back the re-opening by a few weeks in order to increase the percentage of people in WA who have received their booster shot.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

I’ve missed 3 family funerals in 18 months due to COVID border policy.


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I'm sorry to hear that, but at the same time, I'd like to think that they'd rather you miss their funeral than attend their funeral and then come back to WA (quarantine-free, I'm assuming that's what you want) to potentially spread around a deadly virus.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

The average age of those dying is 84 and most with at least one co-morbidity. It literally does mean its mostly picking off those with a few months to live. And that's why the proportionality argument comes in.

I assume you are referring to Australia? This is true, but the reason that the average age is 84 is because of a lot of the rules which you have been complaining about in this thread. Here is the death toll in the US, which has generally had rules (travel wherever you want, get vaccinated if you want, don't get vaccinated if you don't feel like it) more in line with what you'd prefer. Lots of elderly people dead, but more than 200,000 people aged 64 or under have also died.

 

[MIKE85]

I wonder how many of the 6000 30 and under were close to death anyway? The flu would’ve knocked them off the next year surely

 

[Balls In]

I assume you are referring to Australia? This is true, but the reason that the average age is 84 is because of a lot of the rules which you have been complaining about in this thread. Here is the death toll in the US, which has generally had rules (travel wherever you want, get vaccinated if you want, don't get vaccinated if you don't feel like it) more in line with what you'd prefer. Lots of elderly people dead, but more than 200,000 people aged 64 or under have also died.

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Too many differences between the US / Australia to even begin unpacking that red herring. Starting with the fact that Covid was established in their communities before they even knew it was there, about 9 months before there was even a vaccine. Point is we are at the current, particular set of circumstances in Australia and we should be developing our policy positions based on those. Those facts clearly show that Omicron is overwelmingly only dangerous to people who are already extremely old or very sick.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Too many differences between the US / Australia to even begin unpacking that red herring. Starting with the fact that Covid was established in their communities before they even knew it was there, about 9 months before there was even a vaccine. Point is we are at the current, particular set of circumstances in Australia and we should be developing our policy positions based on those. Those facts clearly show that Omicron is overwelmingly only dangerous to people who are already extremely old or very sick.

And unboosted.

So it's a good idea to ensure we have enough time to get them boosted.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Point is we are at the current, particular set of circumstances in Australia and we should be developing our policy positions based on those. Those facts clearly show that Omicron is overwelmingly only dangerous to people who are already extremely old or very sick.

They don’t actually show that it’s “overwhelmingly only dangerous” to those groups, but if you keep repeating it enough maybe people will believe it.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Too many differences between the US / Australia to even begin unpacking that red herring. Starting with the fact that Covid was established in their communities before they even knew it was there, about 9 months before there was even a vaccine. Point is we are at the current, particular set of circumstances in Australia and we should be developing our policy positions based on those. Those facts clearly show that Omicron is overwelmingly only dangerous to people who are already extremely old or very sick.

Well almost all of what you've said here is wrong. The first confirmed Covid case in the US was 4 days before the first confirmed Covid case in Australia. Covid was pretty well established in US communities in February and March, which was the same time that cases were starting to rise sharply in Australia. The difference is that the US generally didn't do that much to bring things under control whereas Australia implemented lockdowns and closed international borders, and essentially eradicated the virus. Also, more Americans died from Covid in 2021 than in 2020, despite vaccinations being widely available across the US from very early in 2021.

As for your statement about Omicron, that only holds true for people who are vaccinated, which as has been well covered in this thread is something that you do not want to put any pressure on people to do.