Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[Forward Press]

And then chortle at those who make similarly spurious analogues to 1930s Germany.

The level of cognitive dissonance is remarkable.

Personally I've never compared myself to those doing it tough in wartime but I've heard plenty of 'sheep' and 'Stockholm syndrome' comments for saying restrictions are/were justified to control the spread of COVID. It's worthy of a 'chortle'.

 

[Scotland]

• Less restrictions (eg less ability to control interstate and international travel, less strict mask mandates, less and more lenient lockdowns)
• Lower vaccination rates
• More overwhelmed health systems
• Philosophically they are all about 'muh freedom' and a high emphasis on individual rights and personal freedom

Either way the US should not be used as a model for the ideal COVID response.

No argument from me. The US aren't a benchmark for anything when it comes to public healthcare.

 

[MIKE85]

The true hero’s are the ones that will refuse to get tested or isolate if they’re told to. What a way to go stick it to the man. One day I hope to be as badass as them, but I am just a mere mortal who has a tiny amount of respect for those more vulnerable than myself.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Even funnier are the folks that think this is anything like wartime and that they are heroes for staying at home

Who is doing that? I've heard way more people acting like they made a sacrifice by taking a free vaccine that will make it less likely that they get sick and die.

Can pretty much guarantee that when borders open up and cases increase, and more restrictions come back (like they have in pretty much every state since December - restrictions like capacity caps in hospitality venues, nightclubs closed, restrictions on dancing and singing (unless you're in Hillsong), etc) - heaps of people will whinge about that.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Who is doing that? I've heard way more people acting like they made a sacrifice by taking a free vaccine that will make it less likely that they get sick and die.

Can pretty much guarantee that when borders open up and cases increase, and more restrictions come back (like they have in pretty much every state since December - restrictions like capacity caps in hospitality venues, nightclubs closed, restrictions on dancing and singing (unless you're in Hillsong), etc) - heaps of people will whinge about that.

A fair share of those whingeing will be those that are currently arguing to keep the borders closed now. Of course continuing to completely ignore the fact that it has to happen at some stage, and if not now then when?

 

[Goroyals22]

A fair share of those whingeing will be those that are currently arguing to keep the borders closed now. Of course continuing to completely ignore the fact that it has to happen at some stage, and if not now then when?

Well going by the chief scaremonger it wont be anytime soon as he ramps up talk of a 4th wave happening in the eastern states in winter so unless he opens before then and then shuts again I think you would be looking at October at the earliest so everyone can get jab 4…..

By then there may not be any big business being run from Perth as they follow Wesfarmers lead.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

A fair share of those whingeing will be those that are currently arguing to keep the borders closed now. Of course continuing to completely ignore the fact that it has to happen at some stage, and if not now then when?

I mean the Premier made it pretty clear in his press conference that he wanted to get booster numbers higher than they are now (about 30%) and also get more kids vaccinated before opening. An exact date hasn't been named but it's pretty clear what the answer is to the "when" question.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Who is doing that? I've heard way more people acting like they made a sacrifice by taking a free vaccine that will make it less likely that they get sick and die.

My fault, I wondered allowed how some of these people would have gone during the Blitz

 

[amazingjoshy]

I mean the Premier made it pretty clear in his press conference that he wanted to get booster numbers higher than they are now (about 30%) and also get more kids vaccinated before opening. An exact date hasn't been named but it's pretty clear what the answer is to the "when" question.

I get wanting to get the booster numbers up, but to what number? And for those that have had their boosters already (mostly the elderly and vulnerable), will their immunity be waning by the time he makes the call? Also how close to winter will it be?

So no it's not clear at all

 

[the harry]

It's funny reading the thread. It seems people are either "fine with mild symptoms" or they die.

There is a middle ground where people get really sick and/or have long terms issues but don't go in the death count. A undesirable situation still.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

I get wanting to get the booster numbers up, but to what number? And for those that have had their boosters already (mostly the elderly and vulnerable), will their immunity be waning by the time he makes the call? Also how close to winter will it be?

So no it's not clear at all

As I've posted previously, the effectiveness of the booster is still very high 4-6 months after injection - symptomatic infection drops to about 40% effectiveness, but hospitalisations are still about 80% less likely.

I definitely understand that people want more details, and I hope that the government will be naming a new date or a booster target in the next fortnight. They obviously just hadn't made any decisions (at the time of the press conference) beyond not wanting to open on that date.

 

[Scotland]

A fair share of those whingeing will be those that are currently arguing to keep the borders closed now. Of course continuing to completely ignore the fact that it has to happen at some stage, and if not now then when?

A fair share of people whinging now are doing so because there doesn't seem to be any plan other than keeping the border closed or restricting anyone from doing anything as soon as fairly small number of cases are reached.

 

[bzparkes]

Genuinely curious as to how many people frequently travelled outside of WA prior to the pandemic and how it's affected them?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

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Even funnier are the folks that think this is anything like wartime and that they are heroes for staying at home
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Even funnier are these same scaredy cat people in wartime would go to water, acting like whiney little bitches and cowering in the bunker.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I can't say I had this side-effect to the vaccine...

A Melbourne woman says her ‘headlights’ changed after getting double jabbed

An awkward vaccine side effect has been reported by a Victorian woman who claims her body’s “high beams” have been permanently switched on since getting double jabbed.

www.news.com.au

Recon its bullshit and just an attention grab TBH .

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

As I've posted previously, the effectiveness of the booster is still very high 4-6 months after injection

UK report suggests booster effectiveness against symptomatic omicron decreases within 10 weeks

A United Kingdom Health Security Agency report published on Thursday suggests that the effectiveness of the COVID-19 booster against symptomatic infections of the omicron variant wanes within …

thehill.com

Among those who received a Pfizer primary course, vaccine effectiveness was around 70% after a Pfizer booster, dropping to 45% after 10-plus weeks and stayed around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster," the report said of that data.

 

[bzparkes]

Recon its bullshit and just an attention grab TBH .

Probably. I'd need to check to be sure though.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Probably. I'd need to check to be sure though.

Just another insta-thot with fakies and lips that looks like she has a shellfish allergy.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

That’s against SYMPTOMATIC Omicron. The research indicates that it still provides about 80% greater protection against severe illness (hospitalisation) as you get out towards 4-6 months.

 

[Scotland]

Genuinely curious as to how many people frequently travelled outside of WA prior to the pandemic and how it's affected them?

I can't speak for anyone else but I probably travel outside WA once or twice a year on average. I just did a quick mental tally:

2015-2019: overseas 4 times, interstate 12-15 times
2020-: one trip to Adelaide

I wouldn't say it has dramatically impacted my life, but not being able to plan and having things that are planned shitcanned on a moment's notice got old pretty quickly. I would say that I have been pretty lucky in my own personal circumstances. But my 2020/21 isn't everyone's 2020/21. If COVID had happened in other years in my life I would have a different perspective just as others do now. I've seen weddings cancelled, people miss funerals, people unable to spend time with family in difficult personal circumstances etc. There has definitely been a toll to 'crushing the virus'.

It's not just holiday plans being interrupted, though. Things like festivals that get cancelled because the govt bans crowds or none of the artists can appear are a minor inconvenience to people who paid $100 a ticket (and get it refunded) but take months of planning and are people's livelihoods. Snap Perth and Peel lockdowns (for 0 cases or 1 case!) are a pain in the arse for everyone. Most people only have 4 weeks leave a year and many use 1-2 weeks over that over Christmas. It's cold comfort to people not able to go anywhere because every state in Australia is deemed "extreme risk" and walking around in 40 degree heat in masks because of 0 cases in the community that the border is technically open because you could travel for 2 weeks in May to Tasmania.

 

[Schtinker]

I hardly ever travel out of the state and got to go to a Grand Final because of the dreaded COVID. Sure I missed seeing Keith Urban in concert but there the sacrifices I'm willing to take. I don't see what the whinging is about

 

[CM9000]

The 'society' argument really only works (on current evidence) for the triple vaxxed as unless you're boosted you aren't doing anything to stop the spread (absent social distancing/N95 wearing).

Which by extension means that anyone who isn't boosted has the same culpability to the unvaxxed - but the unvaxxed may be more sick. And maybe society should punish them because they made that choice, it's on them and we shouldn't extend health care - that's a very Randian, morally suspect position imo, but it's coherent.

If anything history has taught us, it's that things like universal healthcare and civil liberties are very rare indeed and did not come about by accident, only through sustained reform. When we other a group - as silly or repugnant as they might seem - it just makes it easier for the next erosion of rights.

Sorry, this might seem like an odd question, but what do you mean by “rights”?

 

[ziad]

How are small businesses like the eagles going?

WA’s biggest company - and the owner of Bunnings, Officeworks, Target and Kmart - is relocating its senior bosses to the east coast in frustration at the McGowan Government’s backflip on hard borders.

 

[ziad]

I hardly ever travel out of the state and got to go to a Grand Final because of the dreaded COVID. Sure I missed seeing Keith Urban in concert but there the sacrifices I'm willing to take. I don't see what the whinging is about

 

[Ishmael_]

Sorry, this might seem like an odd question, but what do you mean by “rights”?

Droll CM, surely this is not an attempt to draw me on a year 6 S&E curiosity?