Cripps or Oliver.

[danster168]

Maybe if he was consistant across the whole year you would have been playing finals though

Let's not forget Cripps in the final stages of that Collingwood game where he got caught holding ball trying to break through a tackle at about 2km/hr. Lost them the game in that moment. It was his Jake Lever moment.

in the same situation Oliver would've cleared it quickly with his elite vision and hands.

 

[danster168]

Yep same as last year would you rather Bont or Wines. It always amazes me how many people bag the umpires relentlessly week in week out bag the way these votes come out most of the time then still suggest its the most prestigious individual award in the game when in reality it should be the least because the umpires literally just go a look at who got the most disposals after the game

oh 100%. Wines was barely a top 20 player last year despite getting a billion votes.

It's a nothing award. I forgot who wins it a few days after.

 

[Foxman98]

oh 100%. Wines was barely a top 20 player last year despite getting a billion votes.

It's a nothing award. I forgot who wins it a few days after.

Wines season last year was apparently the best ever according to the umpires as he recorded the most ever votes in history

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Let's not forget Cripps in the final stages of that Collingwood game where he got caught holding ball trying to break through a tackle at about 2km/hr. Lost them the game in that moment. It was his Jake Lever moment.

in the same situation Oliver would've cleared it quickly with his elite vision and hands.

You're trying to tell me Clarry has never been caught holding the ball?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Wines season last year was apparently the best ever according to the umpires as he recorded the most ever votes in history

Wines was phenomenal last year, Bont was the best player that year but Wines was extremely good and ultra consistent

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Oliver is a bit more consistent, but Cripps has greater influence on games when he plays well.

Both Champs of the game and their respective clubs

 

[Foxman98]

Wines was phenomenal last year, Bont was the best player that year but Wines was extremely good and ultra consistent

Phenomenal? .41 goals a game 6 SI 6 Clearances 5 Clangers Bont was miles worse this year than last yet still went at 1 goal a game 8 SI 5 Clearances 4 clangers Wines had the luxury of getting lots of cheap possessions which is what gets votes

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Phenomenal? .41 goals a game 6 SI 6 Clearances 5 Clangers Bont was miles worse this year than last yet still went at 1 goal a game 8 SI 5 Clearances 4 clangers Wines had the luxury of getting lots of cheap possessions which is what gets votes

Port finished 2nd on the ladder and Wines was by far and away their best player. Was he as good as Oliver, Bont Petracca and and a few others? Probably not but he was easily in the top 5-10 players last year before falling away this season. He had a fantastic year in 2021

 

[Jeremias]

Again, let's not re-write history and say he was the best player in the competition this year because the umpires bought into his early season hype.

It’s hard to take this point seriously.

I’m not the one trying to rewrite history by suggesting it was early season hype that got Cripps over the line.

What did he poll in the second half of the year…13 votes?

 

[Jeremias]

huh? You're clearly not an avid follower of this thread. I mentioned back at the start of the year that it wouldn't surprise me if Cripps won the brownlow. It's not an award that I respect.

Not an award you respect?

I guess they should stop handing them out then.

You’re as full of yourself as you are deluded.

The coaches award is the one with credibility. But by all means, if you want to put Cripps' name alongside Ollie Wines, the greatest ever player according to last years record brownlow votes then by all means

My goodness…let’s hope Clarry doesn’t ever win one.

It’ll be embarrassing to see you backtrack and all of a sudden rate the award.

 

[danster168]

Oliver is a bit more consistent, but Cripps has greater influence on games when he plays well.

Both Champs of the game and their respective clubs

I'm not even going to deny this. But Cripps can't match Oliver's consistency. Nowhere near it. This was put to bed this year with the coaches votes. Cripps came out of the gates strong but couldn't keep up with Oliver.

This thread should've been closed a long long time ago.

 

[Jeremias]

This thread should've been closed a long long time ago.

You know, you could just leave the thread and not return?

Reckon it would be very much a win/win result.

But given you’re now nearly 60+ posts ahead of the next most prolific contributor, I’m not sure you’re capable of it.

 

[LBJ6]

It’s hard to take this point seriously.

If you think Cripps was the best player in the league this season, then we shall agree to disagree.

 

[Jeremias]

If you think Cripps was the best player in the league this season, then we shall agree to disagree.

That quite obviously wasn’t the part of the quote I was referring to.

Being deliberately obtuse isn’t helping your cause here.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

If you think Cripps was the best player in the league this season, then we shall agree to disagree.

Maybe not, but from my own recollection having watched at least 80-85 percent of games (live) he would be in my top 3.

I honestly think Cripps, Andy Brayshaw, Lachie Neale and Touk Miller had better seasons than Oliver, your boy unfortunately had the misfortune of having votes taken from him by the likes of Petracca and Gawn etc.

Says more about the star studded power of the Dees than the current Brownlow voting system imo

Look throughout history how many Brownlow Medalists came from non finalist clubs (IS Footscray, South Melbourne, St Kilda etc)

 

[danster168]

So now that 2022 has finished and Oliver embarrassed this poll, how does Cripps take his game to another level in 2023? I would say he needs to take his avg disposals from 28 to 31+, he needs to impact finals and be more consistent during the season after he had a very poor 7 week period mid-season. He also needs to kick more goals. 7 goals in his last 14 games is laughably low for someone who is apparently a goal kicking mid with key position height.

 

[Jeremias]

****ing lol. Kudos to you Dan, not many are happy doubling down on their stupidity.

 

[danster168]

******* lol. Kudos to you Dan, not many are happy doubling down on their stupidity.

which part? Oliver won the poll in 2022 pretty comfortably. Even the Carlton fans conceded at about round 15.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

which part? Oliver won the poll in 2022 pretty comfortably. Even the Carlton fans conceded at about round 15.

Isn't Cripps still 20% ahead??

 

[danster168]

Isn't Cripps still 20% ahead??

Cripps came out of the gates really strong and I said if Cripps beats Oliver in the coaches award then I'll tip my hat to him. But then Cripps hit some bad form over about a 7-8 week period and he lost his speed from stoppage. And his goal kicking dried up to the point where he kicked only 7 goals in the last 14 games. The only thing that Cripps does better than Oliver is hit the scoreboard so considering Oliver smashed Cripps in just about every other facet of being an inside midfielder Cripps really needed to kick about 25 goals in this timespan bridge the gap.

Cripps couldn't match Oliver's consistency. And winning the Brownlow means little as it doesn't reward consistency, not to mention it not having half the credibility of the coaches award from true footy nuts.

 

[Ash24]

Haha I forgot about this thread, suck haters

lol. You have been quiet for a long ******* time and finally pop back up when he plays a good game

Did you end up betting your house on him winning either the Brownlow, MVP or AFLCA award?

That's 2 of 3 down and he hasn't gotten in the top 5 for either so far

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Cripps came out of the gates really strong and I said if Cripps beats Oliver in the coaches award then I'll tip my hat to him. But then Cripps hit some bad form over about a 7-8 week period and he lost his speed from stoppage. And his goal kicking dried up to the point where he kicked only 7 goals in the last 14 games. The only thing that Cripps does better than Oliver is hit the scoreboard so considering Oliver smashed Cripps in just about every other facet of being an inside midfielder Cripps really needed to kick about 25 goals in this timespan bridge the gap.

Cripps couldn't match Oliver's consistency. And winning the Brownlow means little as it doesn't reward consistency, not to mention it not having half the credibility of the coaches award from true footy nuts.

Cripps form coincided with Pittonet going down and him having to take ruck duties. While he wasn't expected to play a lot of ruck contests he was having to shoulder the load of being a down the line target through those games in Pittonets place rather than simply a ball winning midfielder, which is obviously what he's best at.

When Clarry has to do that we can see how his form suffers but it was quite clear that Cripps best was head and shoulders above Clarry's this year.

 

[danster168]

Cripps form coincided with Pittonet going down and him having to take ruck duties. While he wasn't expected to play a lot of ruck contests he was having to shoulder the load of being a down the line target through those games in Pittonets place rather than simply a ball winning midfielder, which is obviously what he's best at.

When Clarry has to do that we can see how his form suffers but it was quite clear that Cripps best was head and shoulders above Clarry's this year.

We covered this. He was barely rucking. next to nothing. And his worse form was from rounds 11-18 when he wasn't rucking.

haha, Cripps better than Oliver this year? what on earth are you talking about? Oliver was head and shoulders better than Cripps. In almost ever measure of the game. Cripps couldn't match Oliver's consistency which is why he couldn't catch him in the coaches award.

Oliver is better at clearance, better at finding the ball, better hands, better finals form, better defensively and quicker. Cripps for all of the talk about being a goal kicking mid, kicked 7 goals in his last 14 games lol

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We covered this. He was barely rucking. next to nothing. And his worse form was from rounds 11-18 when he wasn't rucking.

haha, Cripps better than Oliver this year? what on earth are you talking about? Oliver was head and shoulders better than Cripps. In almost ever measure of the game. Cripps couldn't match Oliver's consistency which is why he couldn't catch him in the coaches award.

Oliver is better at clearance, better at finding the ball, better hands, better finals form, better defensively and quicker. Cripps for all of the talk about being a goal kicking mid, kicked 7 goals in his last 14 games lol

I think as someone who watches every carlton game 2-3 times I'd be well enough informed to tell you his role was very clearly different during that stretch of games due to personal around him going down. When is Oliver ever lining up next to a Sean Darcy or Darcy Cameron around the ground? He's never had to and likely never will. That's because he's had one of the most durable, possibly best ruckman of the modern era tapping it down his throat for his entire career just about.

Cripps form magically returned to top shelf when Pittonet, McKay and our other KPP stocks came back in and he finished the year on fire just as he started it. I don't think you can call that coincidence when it was clear that the role he had to play while others missed effected his ability to impact games.

And yes... 7 goals in 14 games... 2 more than Clarry kicked for the whole season including finals. Cripps is more damaging at his best and most people who watch the game agree, hence the poll reflecting that.

 

[danster168]

I think as someone who watches every carlton game 2-3 times I'd be well enough informed to tell you his role was very clearly different during that stretch of games due to personal around him going down. When is Oliver ever lining up next to a Sean Darcy or Darcy Cameron around the ground? He's never had to and likely never will. That's because he's had one of the most durable, possibly best ruckman of the modern era tapping it down his throat for his entire career just about.

Cripps form magically returned to top shelf when Pittonet, McKay and our other KPP stocks came back in and he finished the year on fire just as he started it. I don't think you can call that coincidence when it was clear that the role he had to play while others missed effected his ability to impact games.

And yes... 7 goals in 14 games... 2 more than Clarry kicked for the whole season including finals. Cripps is more damaging at his best and most people who watch the game agree, hence the poll reflecting that.

I watched every Carlton game. Cripps played like 2 minutes in the ruck in that span. Nowhere near enough to offer any sort of excuse. And the ruck excuse was debunked as soon as he stopped playing ruck because he still struggled. This was acknowledged even by Carlton fans, so you need to go back in this thread and realise that the pathetic ruck excuse was debunked a long time ago.

Oliver averaged more possessions than Cripps in only his 2nd season. In his 2nd season, he averaged 29.9 touches per game. The thing with Oliver is, there's never been any excuses for him. in his whole career. He's always produced. Cripps there's always been injury excuses, role excuses, and now the availability of other players used as an excuse.

What happened when Gawn was out for the 2 weeks? Oliver had 35 and 36 touches respectively. So that debunks your 'Gawn hits it down his throat' theory.

I'm not denying that Cripps' best isn't better. But Cripps matches Olivers output maybe once every 6 weeks. And as a pure inside mid Oliver is better at most, if not all aspects of being a pure mid.