Crows delist 5

[jackster83]

Torney - Great player. Should have been kept ahead of Massie and will do well for the panthers next year.
Perrie - Honest player. His work ethic and courage leaves many on our list for dead.
Bode - One of my favourites but can't keep fit. PSD maybe?
Hinge - Didn't do all that much wrong but didn't do all that much great either.
Pfeiffer - Michelle joins a long list of high draft pick failures. His own attitude and ego was his downfall. Bugger off!

As for the rookies, it's just bad luck I suppose apart from the girl's blouse Archard.

To Torney, Perrie and Bode, thanks for the memories guys. You all deserved better especially when passengers such as Doughty, Burton and Massie retain their spots. Hinge should have a decent 150-200 game career at Glenelg.

Let's all hop on the Richard Douglas minibus for season 2008!

 

[KUNG FU]

I'm glad the axe has swung. Its always sad to see players like Bode and Perrie go, but it was a good decision. The decision on Torney was a little premature especially considering he played 23 solid games this year, but probably good for the longer term.

Pfeiffer. So disappointing. So much talent. If there was no more to it than what has been in the media, then it just seems way too premature.

I don't understand how Jericho and Doughty were kept.

 

[Mong]

What has happened to Torney and Bode is very sad. It's the cruel reality of AFL but I can live with the decision. Losing Mattner and Hudson were also disappointing but I'm over it. But the one loss that really seems to hurt most is Pfeiffer. I really hope he had problems far beyond what we've been made aware of through the press because if that's all he's been delisted for then I am extremely disappointed. I would have thought his problems could be worked on. It's just very disappointing that the club have given up on him. I wonder if Tony Modra would have survived his first season with us under this regime. I can't stress enough how disappointed I am.

 

[Vader]

Jason Torney - His delisting has come as a bit of a shock to many Crows fans, but not to me. He did have a VERY good year in 2007, arguably career best, but he also passed an important milestone - his 30th birthday. The Crows announced a policy earlier this year of not retaining players beyond their 30th birthdays unless they were "tier-one" players - and Torney is not "tier-one". He's the first victim of this policy. With Massie capable of filling the same position, and Symes also a similar type of player, there simply was no need to retain Torney. Torney arrived at the same time as Wayne Carey - he was almost the steak knives in the deal which sent Kane Johnson to Richmond. Since then, he's played 77 games - occasionally interrupted by injury. He's been a good servant of the club and I wish him well.

Ian Perrie - The Sarge was always a good, honest trier. Sadly limited due to a distinct lack of talent, he always gave 100%. Remarkably he was with the club long enough to qualify for long service leave, racking up 116 games in 10 years. He outlasted many players who were drafted or traded with the intention of replacing him - Carey, Fitzgerald, Angwin, Watts. Eventually, time and injuries caught up with him. Given that he has well and truly qualified for F/S sire status, I hope he gets to spend a long time relaxing and breeding sons. Good luck to him.

Matthew Bode - Bode came to the Crows in one of the worst deals the club ever did, costing them pick #12 (which The Evil Empire used to draft Shaun Burgoyne) - this for a player who was barely on the fringe of the PAP team. A 3rd round draft pick might have been fair. Putting all that aside, he's given good service to the Crows - when fit. Problem was that he was so rarely fit. Had an outstanding year in 2006, kicking around 50 goals and being the league's best tackler inside the F50m arc. But at 28 and having missed 2 of the last 3 years, his number finally came up. He was never my favourite player, but I do wish him well.

John Hinge - Hinge was originally drafted as a rookie, then upgraded at the end of 2005. To be honest, I (and most other Crows fans) have no idea on earth as to why he was ever upgraded. He was rarely amongst the best players for Glenelg and never looked like being anything more than a vanilla HBF type. He did well enough to get a game mid-season in 2007, at the height of Adelaide's injury plague, playing half a game before joining the injury list himself when he blew a hammie. It was the only time he was ever seen in the blue, red & gold. He will probably go back to Glenelg, becoming a solid but never spectacular SANFL player.

Darren Pfieffer - This is the delisting which is causing the most angst. Pfeiffer was drafted at #17 in the 2005 ND, using the first round draft pick obtained from St Kilda in the trade for Fungus Watts. Yep, another first round draft pick pissed up against the wall by the AFC. The thing is that nobody can understand WHY he was delisted. It certainly wasn't for lack of performances, because he was consistently in Norwood's best players list for most of the 2007 season. It can only be because of his off-field misdemeanours, which included being out 20 min past curfew this year and not turning up to training on time (while out with a long-term back injury) in 2006. It would seem that he has been delisted because of an AFC obsession with having a team of off-field angels, at the expense of losing quality on-field players. Mystifying to say the least. There is no doubt that Pfeiffer IS a quality player and he IS capable of playing in the AFL. Given the weakness of this draft, I would be VERY surprised if he is not re-drafted.

Andrew McIntyre (rookie) - McIntyre was one of the most impressive performers early in the year, doing so well in the pre-season comp that he was promoted off the rookie list (Biglands placed on the long term injury list) at one point. A week later he broke his ankle and his season (and career) went downhill from there. His form later in the season was ordinary to say the least and he was dropped from the North Adelaide side which competed in the Grand Final. His delisting was not particularly surprising.

James Turner (rookie) - Showed little in the SANFL to indicate that he had a future on the larger stage. His delisting was no great surprise to anybody.

Equally interesting is the non-decisions - particularly Jericho & Doughty. You would have to think that they will be gone at the end of 2008.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Does anyone out there know exactly what the off-field issues are with Darren Pfeiffer (beyond what has been reported in the media).

I fear we have gone too far in the 'nice boy' stakes if the only issues are the ones already reported.

Unlike Hinge, Pfeiffer seemed to have a higher degree of skill and X-factor making him more than a 'vanilla HBF'.

He is only 19 or so, surely not every young kid is an angel, could we not stick with him for one more year given his talent, the use of a high draft pick, and the fact there were certainly 1-2 others who could have been cut with no risk it would bite us.

Can only assume the club must know much more in this instance than we have heard.
So what's the go?

 

[Jars458]

another wasted bloody top 20 pick

how many more can we piss against the wall.

Pfeiffer pissed himself against the wall as did Angwin.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Pfeiffer pissed himself against the wall as did Angwin.

They've all been attitude related.

Angwin - loose.
Watts - Daddy's boy.
Meesen - Just didn't want it.
Pfeiffer - Off field 'bad boy' (although who cares if he did what every other teenagers has probably done. Hell, Michael Doughty threatened a yiros man, Welsh had a run in with a woman.

Unless of course he ran over the coach's dog or something.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Does anyone out there know exactly what the off-field issues are with Darren Pfeiffer (beyond what has been reported in the media).

I fear we have gone too far in the 'nice boy' stakes if the only issues are the ones already reported.

Unlike Hinge, Pfeiffer seemed to have a higher degree of skill and X-factor making him more than a 'vanilla HBF'.

He is only 19 or so, surely not every young kid is an angel, could we not stick with him for one more year given his talent, the use of a high draft pick, and the fact there were certainly 1-2 others who could have been cut with no risk it would bite us.

Can only assume the club must know much more in this instance than we have heard.
So what's the go?

Sorry LF#8 but the Mods of the Adelaide Board will not allow rumours to be posted here. In effect that is what they will be, even if someone saw something or knows something, unless it is backed up under the Forum rules by a link to a media article etc any issues (if they exist) will have to remain private.

Thanks

 

[Crowked]

The Pfiefer delisting does seem a bit premature but I have faith in the club to make the correct calls. Its one thing to show patience with a player and try and work out his problems, its another to allow a negative influence impact on others at the club. I dont think his problems couldnt be sorted out eventually, but I have a feeling he was flicked at least partially because we didnt want him impacting on our other young players.

I think its pretty clear now, as a young guy entering the AFC, you do the right thing or your on your bike very quickly.

 

[King Elvis]

I think its pretty clear now, as a young guy entering the AFC, you do the right thing or your on your bike very quickly.

Or that if you toe the party line and behave yourself, we'll reward mediocrity ahead ofa skilled/talented/dedicated player who gets up to a bit of mischief.

It's weak from the Club - what about taking the long term, harder view and challenging ourselves to turn the kid into something? Too hard?

 

[johnnypanther]

Or that if you toe the party line and behave yourself, we'll reward mediocrity ahead ofa skilled/talented/dedicated player who gets up to a bit of mischief.

It's weak from the Club - what about taking the long term, harder view and challenging ourselves to turn the kid into something? Too hard?

looking at it objectively, I understand the clubs position

looking at it emotionally, i would be much happier and prefer to win a premiership anyday even if its done with 22 serial killers on day release

 

[jmorg1]

They've all been attitude related.

Angwin - loose.
Watts - Daddy's boy.
Meesen - Just didn't want it.
Pfeiffer - Off field 'bad boy' (although who cares if he did what every other teenagers has probably done. Hell, Michael Doughty threatened a yiros man, Welsh had a run in with a woman.

Unless of course he ran over the coach's dog or something.

Yiros man tried to stinge on the garlic sauce?

 

[KUNG FU]

Yiros man tried to stinge on the garlic sauce?

Bad change IIRC. He's seriously the dodgiest yiros guy in the whole city. I've tried almost every yiros joint in Adelaide and I reckon he's the worse. My mates used to work next door and said he had some pretty horrible practices.

 

[whattagun07]

Bad change IIRC. He's seriously the dodgiest yiros guy in the whole city. I've tried almost every yiros joint in Adelaide and I reckon he's the worse. My mates used to work next door and said he had some pretty horrible practices.

Me too!! go down a treat on a saturday night.
which yiros place was it???

 

[BunjiMac]

While we're on Yiros's my absolute favourite is yiannis on hindley st, near the old city bowls. Cannot get a better yiros than what you get a yiannis in my opinion. mmm salivating now.....

 

[whattagun07]

While we're on Yiros's my absolute favourite is yiannis on hindley st, near the old city bowls. Cannot get a better yiros than what you get a yiannis in my opinion. mmm salivating now.....

i think the best one is on the north side of rundle street, just before you get to frome road, coming from pulteney. it has the little window on the side.
a great reward after a tough night of drinking at the elephant.

 

[Dogga79]

Or that if you toe the party line and behave yourself, we'll reward mediocrity ahead ofa skilled/talented/dedicated player who gets up to a bit of mischief.

It's weak from the Club - what about taking the long term, harder view and challenging ourselves to turn the kid into something? Too hard?

Sorry but I just cant agree with your point you have raised here. What you are implying is exactly the reason Fremantle have failed in recent years. Regardless of all the other issues I believe discipline on and off the field would be nearly the most important thing. There is too much at stake in AFL. I think Darren Pfeiffer has learned the hard way with this and I cant blame the club for delisting him.

At SANFL level I would say you have a valid point. You need to enjoy footy and it has to balance in with your life a lot more.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Sorry but I just cant agree with your point you have raised here. What you are implying is exactly the reason Fremantle have failed in recent years. Regardless of all the other issues I believe discipline on and off the field would be nearly the most important thing. There is too much at stake in AFL. I think Darren Pfeiffer has learned the hard way with this and I cant blame the club for delisting him.

At SANFL level I would say you have a valid point. You need to enjoy footy and it has to balance in with your life a lot more.

A point which Mark Ricciuto makes. AFL footballers should ENJOY their footy if they want to get the best out of themselves.

Same with pretty much anything in life.

 

[BunjiMac]

i think the best one is on the north side of rundle street, just before you get to frome road, coming from pulteney. it has the little window on the side.
a great reward after a tough night of drinking at the elephant.

dude... try yiannis you WILL NOT look back

 

[King Elvis]

Sorry but I just cant agree with your point you have raised here. What you are implying is exactly the reason Fremantle have failed in recent years. Regardless of all the other issues I believe discipline on and off the field would be nearly the most important thing. There is too much at stake in AFL. I think Darren Pfeiffer has learned the hard way with this and I cant blame the club for delisting him.

At SANFL level I would say you have a valid point. You need to enjoy footy and it has to balance in with your life a lot more.

I agree completely.

But we aren't Fremantle, we don't have a massive culture/discipline problem. We should work with him and try and turn him into a quality person and a quality player.

I hope this is a wake up call for Pfeiffer, and we re-draft him.

Having said that, one of my mates plays at Norwood, asked him about Pfeiffer today, "Awesome footballer, but he's a ******** - out on the piss every possible chance."

Not an endorsement.

 

[Dogga79]

A point which Mark Ricciuto makes. AFL footballers should ENJOY their footy if they want to get the best out of themselves.

Same with pretty much anything in life.

Yeah, enjoy footy but not at the expense of the rules. Do you want to see your players getting plastered every week or watch them take it easy at training because they have natural ability and we should respect their right to do what ever they want.

Seriously whats not to enjoy about playing footy for a living and getting paid well.

 

[Dogga79]

I agree completely.

I hope this is a wake up call for Pfeiffer, and we re-draft him.

Having said that, one of my mates plays at Norwood, asked him about Pfeiffer today, "Awesome footballer, but he's a ******** - out on the piss every possible chance."

Not an endorsement.

I have heard that too. Would you even bother rookie listing him. I think I would have to talk to him to assess it. I'm sure NC has and I guess we will find out if we can pull Pfeiffer out of the boozer and turn him into a footballer

 

[Rugged_Battler]

A little birdy told me that Gallman has one of the biggest tanks in the Crows squad and will be groomed as a tagger next year.

 

[BunjiMac]

That sounds like a great idea, whats the rest of his game like?

 

[Rugged_Battler]

Well he used to a basketballer when he was younger. Only a footy player in last 4-5 years so still developing but apparently came leaps and bounds this year and it shows by cementing a spot at North and then beating off rivals like McIntyre who was dubbed the next Ben Hart at the start of the year. Very athletic (good leap and mark, good kick) Jars has enormous faith in him and at just 18/19 years old could be an awesome prospect. I reckon he'll probably pinch Shirley's spot by the end of next year.