News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Sin City]

In fact Sellar isn't a sweetener, he's a sourer.

They would need to add Tippett and Davis to the first round pick if we have to have Sellar on our list.

 

[parrot]

Are you seriously surprised tha....

Avoiding the question? It is a reasonable question. Again, if the Crows don't get Jacobs, what other ruck or rucks are you intending to go after with the "Compo Pick" during trade week?

You keep telling us how Jacob's is only worth a "compo pick", so the inference is your club can get someone of at least the same quality with that pick. We're all waiting to know who that player(s) is/are. Got some names?

Just perhaps..... and I'm throwing this out there..... no such player exists because you all know Jacobs is worth way more than a "Compo Pick". That's the truth of the situation isn't it.

Everyone knows it, and that's why Carlton's 14 pick take-it-or-leave it offer is actually a decent one for BOTH sides.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Avoiding the question? It is a reasonable question. Again, if the Crows don't get Jacobs, what other ruck or rucks are you intending to go after with the "Compo Pick" during trade week?

You keep telling us how Jacob's is only worth a "compo pick", so the inference is your club can get someone of at least the same quality with that pick. We're all waiting to know who that player(s) is/are. Got some names?

Just perhaps..... and I'm throwing this out there..... no such player exists because you all know Jacobs is worth way more than a "Compo Pick". That's the truth of the situation isn't it.

Everyone knows it, and that's why Carlton's 14 pick take-it-or-leave it offer is actually a decent one for BOTH sides.

Avoiding it because they can't answer it! Why? Because they know there is no ruckman that will be available at the compo pick this year that will have anywhere near as much impact as Jacobs. They might get lucky and get a good ruckman, but he'll defintely take at least 3-4 years before they start seeing anything from him. Jacobs is only 22 and he can possibly give them 10 years of good service and they know it!

If you want quality you've gotta give quality. Simple as that! Look at us, we could've put Judd on a huge deal that Richmond could not possibly afford and grabbed him in the PSD for nothing. It would've worked out great for us except ONE thing - our reputation. We would be seen as a dirty club and no one would want to deal with us in the future.

Every coach with any brains would know that Jacobs is definitely worth pick 14 in this year's draft and if they want to keep their reputation in tact they better deal FAIRLY. Otherwise they'll miss out on Jacobs and other clubs will start to become hesistant to deal with them knowing that they are a pack of hard arses.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Regardless of any of that, Adelaide posters have been quoting parrot and arguing parrot's points but no one has answered this one. Care to have a crack?

As Elite Crow said, we're not hell bent on trading for a ruck. We'd clearly like to improve that area if we can, hence the interest in Jacobs. But if the deal fell through (and I think there's very little chance of that happening) we'd probably go into next year with Maric as our no.1 again, partnered with one of Moran, McKernan or Sellar (assuming he's not carving it up for you guys ). There's also the option of throwing Tippett into the ruck if needs be. It's not the strongest ruck division going around, but we can still be competitive with that lineup. Anyway, I'll be very surprised if Jacobs isn't a Crow by the end of trade week, and all that remains to be seen is what the cost is. You guys start off with a high demand, we start with a low offer, and it's most likely we'll end up meeting somewhere in the middle, which will probably involve the Bock pick.

 

[parrot]

As Elite Crow said, we're not hell bent on trading for a ruck. We'd clearly like to improve that area if we can, hence the interest in Jacobs. But if the deal fell through (and I think there's very little chance of that happening) we'd probably go into next year with Maric as our no.1 again, partnered with one of Moran, McKernan or Sellar (assuming he's not carving it up for you guys ). There's also the option of throwing Tippett into the ruck if needs be. It's not the strongest ruck division going around, but we can still be competitive with that lineup. Anyway, I'll be very surprised if Jacobs isn't a Crow by the end of trade week, and all that remains to be seen is what the cost is. You guys start off with a high demand, we start with a low offer, and it's most likely we'll end up meeting somewhere in the middle, which will probably involve the Bock pick.

You've avoided the question again. Again, if you don't get Jacobs, what other rucks could the Crows go after using the "Compo Pick"? Give us some names.

 

[Truck Rutten]

You've avoided the question again. Again, if you don't get Jacobs, what other rucks could the Crows go after using the "Compo Pick"? Give us some names.

Lazar Vidovic, Peter "Super" Carey or Greg Dear.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

The fact that we used pick 11 last year for Brock, without stuffing around, is a strong indication to me that it'll be a first round pick.

We happily paid a high price to address a deficiency, and would expect any team we trade with for this purpose to do the same.

If the Crows don't want to do that, then that is their prerogative. However, if pick 14 has been our stance all along, then clearly they would not have pursued Jacobs to such a degree, if they were not prepared to potentially use this pick.

I can't recall a recent instance of Carlton backing down in trade week, after making their stance known. I make this assumption on the basis that the pick 14 stance is indeed true - I haven't actually seen any direct quotes to verify this.

As with the Warnock trade, we may do a swap of later picks so that the Crows can save face from not getting us to budge, though they won't be anything of note.

 

[AFC979810]

The fact that we used pick 11 last year for Brock, without stuffing around, is a strong indication to me that it'll be a first round pick.

We happily paid a high price to address a deficiency, and would expect any team we trade with for this purpose to do the same.

If the Crows don't want to do that, then that is their prerogative. However, if pick 14 has been our stance all along, then clearly they would not have pursued Jacobs to such a degree, if they were not prepared to potentially use this pick.

I can't recall a recent instance of Carlton backing down in trade week, after making their stance known. I make this assumption on the basis that the pick 14 stance is indeed true - I haven't actually seen any direct quotes to verify this.

As with the Warnock trade, we may do a swap of later picks so that the Crows can save face from not getting us to budge, though they won't be anything of note.

Just because you wasted a top 15 pick should not mean the Crows will do the same. I think it will be the Bock compensation pick.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I think it will be Bock's pick and and exchange of 18 for 14. This is if a player swap is not involved.

Bock's pick plus swapping 14 for 18 will end up saving face for both clubs. Personally think it's fair.

14 will probably guarantee Carlton a decent tall in this draft while 18 wont. At 18, ADelaide can still grab a mid or utility or whatever they want given they dont want KPP.

Of course, unlike other Carlton supporters i'm more crossing my fingers on the late season Jacobs hype. Yes, he is ahead of Hampson, but then so too is my guinea pig! If we could trade a Jacobs type every year for the rest of our lives for pick 15-20, every one of us would sign up in seconds with glee!!

Yes, he has shown some glimpses but people forget he was on his last legs this year (contract renewal). Funny how many players play their best season when their footy career is on the line. If he had of played poorly this year or had of got injured, there is EVERY chance he would have gone home and played SANFL and had zero trade currency. Of course, he didnt get injured and played some very good games based on the fact he knew his footy life was on the line.

There is some chance he sinks back down a level and we escape with the loot (draft picks)!

Whether Jacobs continues on is probably a 50/50 bet.

Please let us escape with the Bock pick plus an upgrade to 14 in the draft!

 

[AFC979810]

You've avoided the question again. Again, if you don't get Jacobs, what other rucks could the Crows go after using the "Compo Pick"? Give us some names.

There are no other Rucks we would go after.... At the Crows we currently have the following ruck stocks.

#1 Maric
#2 Griffin
#3 Moran
#4 Sellar
#5 McKernan

And in some situations we can obviously use Tippet.

Griffin has requested a trade to Perth, only if the Crows want to accept a suitable trade for him.

I believe that the Crows are willing to trade him to Perth if they can land Jacobs.... So in essence I dont feel that the Crows are desperate to land a Ruckman, however would love to replace Griffin with Jacobs.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

I think it will be Bock's pick and and exchange of 18 for 14. This is if a player swap is not involved.

Bock's pick plus swapping 14 for 18 will end up saving face for both clubs. Personally think it's fair.

14 will probably guarantee Carlton a decent tall in this draft while 18 wont. At 18, ADelaide can still grab a mid or utility or whatever they want given they dont want KPP.

Of course, unlike other Carlton supporters i'm more crossing my fingers on the late season Jacobs hype. Yes, he is ahead of Hampson, but then so too is my guinea pig! If we could trade a Jacobs type every year for the rest of our lives for pick 15-20, every one of us would sign up in seconds with glee!!

Yes, he has shown some glimpses but people forget he was on his last legs this year (contract renewal). Funny how many players play their best season when their footy career is on the line. If he had of played poorly this year or had of got injured, there is EVERY chance he would have gone home and played SANFL and had zero trade currency. Of course, he didnt get injured and played some very good games based on the fact he knew his footy life was on the line.

There is some chance he sinks back down a level and we escape with the loot (draft picks)!

Whether Jacobs continues on is probably a 50/50 bet.

Please let us escape with the Bock pick plus an upgrade to 14 in the draft!

I think you'll get the Bock pick and that's it.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

I had a similar dispute with one of the Brisbane mods last year. In fact it was the day before the deal was done.

I said I would take nothing less than pick 12 AND Henderson for Fevola, he said "No you will not because we will NEVER offer you that!".

Now trust me! If you do not offer pick 14, or a good young KPF, then you can forget about getting Jacobs. I would rather have nothing then some draft pick in the 20's in a diluted draft and a steak knives set in Sellar.

In fact Sellar isn't a sweetener, he's a sourer. We are not going to lose a ruckman who has proven he has the goods and is only going to improve further given that he is just 22 years old and has strong determination for some bullshit deal.

You guys have bent many clubs over in the past especially Freo (Who hasn't ) with the McLeod deal. Even gave us Eccles for Massie (who turned out to be more than serviceable to you guys whereas Eccles didn't really do much for us).

You are not going to screw us over with Jacobs. Pick 14, a good young KPD or walk away and don't offer him $1mill over three years.

The fact that we used pick 11 last year for Brock, without stuffing around, is a strong indication to me that it'll be a first round pick.

We happily paid a high price to address a deficiency, and would expect any team we trade with for this purpose to do the same.

If the Crows don't want to do that, then that is their prerogative. However, if pick 14 has been our stance all along, then clearly they would not have pursued Jacobs to such a degree, if they were not prepared to potentially use this pick.

I can't recall a recent instance of Carlton backing down in trade week, after making their stance known. I make this assumption on the basis that the pick 14 stance is indeed true - I haven't actually seen any direct quotes to verify this.

As with the Warnock trade, we may do a swap of later picks so that the Crows can save face from not getting us to budge, though they won't be anything of note.

Fortunately, neither of you work in trading.

And fortunately, Jacobs is nowhere near as proven as Fevola or McLean.

 

[Sin City]

Just because you wasted a top 15 pick should not mean the Crows will do the same. I think it will be the Bock compensation pick.

We didn't waste anything, we traded to fix a deficiency in our list, which is what you guys will be doing.

I think you'll get the Bock pick and that's it.

It doesn't matter what you think.

Fortunately, neither of you work in trading.

And fortunately, Jacobs is nowhere near as proven as Fevola or McLean.

You are bringing in a guy who can be your first ruck for ten years. You'll be paying for it.

 

[stabface]

70 pages of circularity...trade week needs to HTFU

 

[Paladin]

Is parrot for real? I want the last 10 mins of my life back after reading some of that junk. Will parrot be okay when Carlton dont get pick 14 for Jacobs? Cant wait for the trade to be done - or not if Carlton really think they are getting 14. Just because you threw away a high draft pick for an average player dosen't mean the crows will. ( Even if Jacobs has much more potential than Brock)

 

[Sin City]

Is parrot for real? I want the last 10 mins of my life back after reading some of that junk. Will parrot be okay when Carlton dont get pick 14 for Jacobs? Cant wait for the trade to be done - or not if Carlton really think they are getting 14. Just because you threw away a high draft pick for an average player dosen't mean the crows will. ( Even if Jacobs has much more potential than Brock)

Idiots and lunatics see only their own wit - François de la Rochefoucauld

 

[Faz 2000]

We'd be freakin' stoked with turning Jacobs, a freebie off the rookie list, into pick 14. I doubt it'll happen. It' would by no means be a terrible deal for Adelaide, either. Jacobs is ready-made and will be at worst very solid, wherever he ends up playing. Would LOVE the Blues to end up with two swings at the first round, without really affecting our 22.

 

[GordonBlue]

Crows fans saying "dreaming if you think you're getting pick 14"
Blues fans saying "no pick 14, no Jacobs"

this is the entire thread so far... it just repeats itself...

 

[Faz 2000]

Crows fans saying "dreaming if you think you're getting pick 14"
Blues fans saying "no pick 14, no Jacobs"

this is the entire thread so far... it just repeats itself...

Good summary. Obviously what BigFooty says has nooooooooooooooooooo bearing on what Carlton and Adelaide actually agree to.

Carlton should be doing cartwheels if they get pick 14.

 

[CrowHop]

Yeah the Crows ruck stocks arent that great, but we may end up deciding pick 14 is better value trying to fix other deficiencies like midfield depth.

Our current ruck stocks may be strengthened by Giles from the SANFL who we could possibly pick up in the ND with a 2nd or 3rd rounder if the GC doesnt get him first. He's young and would definitely be an upgrade on Griffin. Not ideal, but we keep pick 14 this way to use on strengthening our midfield. May be an 'overall' better result.

Crows fans saying "dreaming if you think you're getting pick 14"
Blues fans saying "no pick 14, no Jacobs"

this is the entire thread so far... it just repeats itself...

And that is what will happen for a few days of bargaining between the Crows and Carlton... and then someone will give a little OR nothing will get done.

Personally I'd rather send a KPP player like Talia or Mckernan to you guys and balance the trade up with draft picks (or upgrades). That fixes deficiencies for both clubs and we keep our picks for other possible trades.

Surely if we put these two guys on the table, it would gather a reasonable amount of interest?

 

[PooMonkey]

Carlton has asked for Talia.....But I doubt he will be traded after 1 year on your list.

 

[NAUGHT5]

Personally I'd rather send a KPP player like Talia or Mckernan to you guys and balance the trade up with draft picks (or upgrades). That fixes deficiencies for both clubs and we keep our picks for other possible trades.

Surely if we put these two guys on the table, it would gather a reasonable amount of interest?

Talia would get the deal done, McKernan close. But Adelaide (the fans on BF atleast) refuse to give up any potentially good player. Even though they are getting 1 in return.

 

[parrot]

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And that is what will happen for a few days of bargaining between the Crows and Carlton... and then someone will give a little OR nothing will get done.

Personally I'd rather send a KPP player like Talia or Mckernan to you guys and balance the trade up with draft picks (or upgrades). That fixes deficiencies for both clubs and we keep our picks for other possible trades.

Surely if we put these two guys on the table, it would gather a reasonable amount of interest?

Sounds like the Blues just want pick 14 or no trade. I personally wouldn't mind if we trade Jacobs for Talia or Davis plus a 2nd round pick, but it seems it'll be pick 14 or nothing. Walker won't be going to the Crows now that Grigg's gone to the Tiges which will simplify things. The Blues are after high draft picks, or high quality players. We already have an awesome young list, and we have to add quality to make further improvements. That's the reason why we aren't trying too hard to hold onto fringe players.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Crows fans saying "dreaming if you think you're getting pick 14"
Blues fans saying "no pick 14, no Jacobs"

this is the entire thread so far... it just repeats itself...

It's a discussion forum (with nothing else really to discuss) so this is natural, though I think it is silly how supporters are stating things like fact.

I still believe though that IF the pick 14 stance is true, then recent history would suggest we won't budge.

Obviously no one knows what will happen, but we don't exactly back down. Will this mean pick 14 is definitely ours - no. Will this mean a deal may not be reached - yes.

 

[BACCS]

Sounds like the Blues just want pick 14 or no trade. I personally wouldn't mind if we trade Jacobs for Talia or Davis plus a 2nd round pick, but it seems it'll be pick 14 or nothing. Walker won't be going to the Crows now that Grigg's gone to the Tiges which will simplify things. The Blues are after high draft picks, or high quality players. We already have an awesome young list, and we have to add quality to make further improvements. That's the reason why we aren't trying too hard to hold onto fringe players.

Stop pipe dreaming with Davis for goodness sakes. I can understand why Talia has been brought up, but Davis? Please.