http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-to-face-music-20121026-28b78.html
I don't know how to post the paragraph but she states all the arrangements were listed with the AFL
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I don't know how to post the paragraph but she states all the arrangements were listed with the AFL
I find it amazing how journos are able to provide what they see as a fitting punishment for what we have done when the case is still being investigated, and when asked it seems that none of them have a clear picture of what actually transpired. Surely punishments come after the verdict, not the other way around.
I find it amazing how journos are able to provide what they see as a fitting punishment for what we have done when the case is still being investigated, and when asked it seems that none of them have a clear picture of what actually transpired. Surely punishments come after the verdict, not the other way around.
That kind of levelheadedness will get you nowhere in sports journalism.
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Hang on, so I'm confused. Caroline Wilson's article in The Age Yesterday suggests that all of Tippett's 'agreements' were lodged with the AFL. Does this mean that we can rest easy with regard to the accusations of salary cap breaches, and that we are now only concerned with the accusations of draft tampering?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-to-face-music-20121026-28b78.html
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-to-face-music-20121026-28b78.html
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More poo from Rucci as usual:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...its-sanfl-owners/story-e6freck3-1226504878811
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...its-sanfl-owners/story-e6freck3-1226504878811
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You know, in times of adversity, it's great to know that everybody from SA hates Rucci.
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I'd rather he just stick to his guns and stay loyal to his team, the Power, but instead he has to piss of the whole of SA
I think we are guilty of tremendous stupidity and some deceit but our breaches are minor in nature if what Caro reports is correct. No doubt we will be punished but I think Carltonesqe punishment is way over the top. Hopeful of a fine only.
Wilson seems to be suggesting the Crows would only sit out the first 3 rounds of this draft together with a fine. That would be a big win for the Crows.
If Otten can reclaim his spot back in the side, that would be like getting a bonus second round pick.
If Otten can reclaim his spot back in the side, that would be like getting a bonus second round pick.
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Caro certainly has a soft spot for Blucher in all this. Maybe she is protecting a past and potential future source?.....but how can she calmly state.."the worst you could say about Blucher is that he has been incompetent" ???? We may never know the real machinations in the saga but the picture I get is he is a very knowledgable operator/manipulator.
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Me too. Under John Elliott, Carlton flagrantly and repeatedly treated the rules with contempt and in the final punishment there was a statement by the AFL as to who was in charge. Elliott's arrogance was amputated at the knees. There is little comparison with the Crows folly.
Vader....is this true....or does the club also have some responsibility to disclose these types of arrangements. I'd agree if we were basically underwriting these third party agreements, but if what you're saying is true, then it's up to the player and not the club to alert the AFL?
It would actually be more like having a second round pick from a few years ago not turn out to be a bust, but okay.
I don't think this is a surprise to anyone that follows AFL (except those that like to implant their head deeply into the sand) but as the article says you don't put it in writing. We were stupid enough to do just that. As such we will be made an example of.Posted this in the Tippett thread, but this confirms all those times we all think but how can club X do that? How does club X keep bringing in players and keep them?
If the AFL have a real sniff around, we could have a draft where there are no picks!!!
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I am sure that every club in the AFL has done and is doing what we are alleged to have done, the big difference is that we in our wisdom (or should that be dumbness) put it in writing for all to see. Once you put that bad boy in writing, its going to come out sooner or later.
I still cannot believe how dumb we have been in this especially considering the character of the player, his father and his agent. If we did this sort of thing with Tex, you might be able to get away with that BUT to do it with Tippett, knowing full well what his old man, his agent and Kurt himself are like....why the **** would you do that?!
There are 2 sections of the AFL Player Rules document which deal with this. Section 10.4.1 deals with "Notification of Additional Services Agreements", while section 10.4.3 deals with "Notification of Player Arrangements With An Associate of a Club Which Have No Connection With The Club Arrangement".
As I understand it, section 10.4.1 is about players receiving extra money for promoting the club, outside of their normal footballing duties. Section 10.4.3 is about 3rd party payments - such as Tippett's ads for Balfours etc.
For reporting purposes, the onus is on the club in section 10.4.1 and the player in 10.4.3.
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And this raises the question of compensation because the AFL said we were not to trade KT in that last week.
No seriously.
Okay, It may not be a likely scenario, but if there are no salary cap breaches and the matter of the clause is only deemed worthy of a fine, we should recieve fair compo for KT ending up in the draft. That was the AFLs call, not ours.
I write this mostly tounge in cheek, because we all know the AFL will make the punishment "fit to purpose" so this scenario won't happen, but if the AFL was a transparent organization it would be a genuine possibility.
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However unlikely it is we will be found not guilty of anything punishable the fact remains the AFL HAS already taken away a 1st round pick and a required player(J White) from us. A clear case of guitly until proven innocent. Not consistent with the approach they have always taken with tanking allegations which surely are a far more serious offence.
I have been trying to argue this with people at work. Whilst I am sure the AFL will find some issues and justify the Tippett trade embargo, if not guilty of salary cap breaches, we should come out swinging for compo.
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I don't think this is a surprise to anyone that follows AFL (except those that like to implant their head deeply into the sand) but as the article says you don't put it in writing. We were stupid enough to do just that. As such we will be made an example of.
I am sure that every club in the AFL has done and is doing what we are alleged to have done, the big difference is that we in our wisdom (or should that be dumbness) put it in writing for all to see. Once you put that bad boy in writing, its going to come out sooner or later.
I still cannot believe how dumb we have been in this especially considering the character of the player, his father and his agent. If we did this sort of thing with Tex, you might be able to get away with that BUT to do it with Tippett, knowing full well what his old man, his agent and Kurt himself are like....why the **** would you do that?!
So the problem for you, isn't what you may, or may not have done, but rather that you got caught?
If Rucci is loyal to Port than Loyalty must mean back stab, piss on and drag through the mud at every opportunity.
Under these two sections, who should report the agreement to underwrite a potential shortfull in the third party deal?
The third party deals Tip had were not to promote the club, but Balfours etc, so s10.4.1 does not seem to apply there?
Was the onus on Tippet to report under s10.4.3 to report the entirety of his third party deals, including the agreement by our club to underwrite any shortfull in these private third party deals.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150657/default.aspx
Wow.....have Melbourne resigned themselves to being found guilty
Wow.....have Melbourne resigned themselves to being found guilty
Looking at it down the track, how badly did we take the pinapple compared to Carlton in the early naughties?
Carlton
Fined $930,000 (Included $57,576 suspended from previous breaches)
Lost draft picks - 1, 2 31 & 34 in 2002
Excluded from 2003 PSD – Draft pick 2
Lost draft pick - 5 & 20 in 2003 (but were allowed to keep the piority pick prior to the 1st. Round, pick 2 –Andrew Walker)
Over 2 years
Picks 1,2,5,20,31,34 + PSD pick 2 / – Andrew Walker
Adelaide
Fined $300,000
Lost Kurt Tippet for no return (approximate trade value 1 early first round pick, or 1 late first round pick and second round pick)
Lost draft picks - 20 & 53 in 2012
Lost draft picks - 1st. round (8 ish) & 2nd. round (26 ish) in 2013
Over 2 years
Picks 8,20,26,53 + Tippet
At first I thought we were well and truely pinappled, now I'm not so sure. Its hurting no doubt, but jeez Carlton took theirs sideways and two at a time. Thoughts?
Carlton
Fined $930,000 (Included $57,576 suspended from previous breaches)
Lost draft picks - 1, 2 31 & 34 in 2002
Excluded from 2003 PSD – Draft pick 2
Lost draft pick - 5 & 20 in 2003 (but were allowed to keep the piority pick prior to the 1st. Round, pick 2 –Andrew Walker)
Over 2 years
Picks 1,2,5,20,31,34 + PSD pick 2 / – Andrew Walker
Adelaide
Fined $300,000
Lost Kurt Tippet for no return (approximate trade value 1 early first round pick, or 1 late first round pick and second round pick)
Lost draft picks - 20 & 53 in 2012
Lost draft picks - 1st. round (8 ish) & 2nd. round (26 ish) in 2013
Over 2 years
Picks 8,20,26,53 + Tippet
At first I thought we were well and truely pinappled, now I'm not so sure. Its hurting no doubt, but jeez Carlton took theirs sideways and two at a time. Thoughts?
