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nearly 5,000 Hawks members are Tasmanian members who get access to 4 games per season and are included in the total.
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nearly 5,000 Hawks members are Tasmanian members who get access to 4 games per season and are included in the total.
Maybe because Essendon also win Premierships!
Also you might weant to do your research a little better. Collingwood has only started beating Essendon in attendences since we moved to the dome. When we were both tenants of the MCG we smashed you for numbers.
thats right! When Essendon were near the top and Collingwood were near the Bottom. But if you look at 2002 and 2003 when both teams played in the finals Collingwood had over 200,000 more people each year attend there matches!
Like I have Said When Collingwood are winning and making finals NO ONE in the AFL draws bigger crowds then Collingwood! and Why? It's pretty simple really, Collingwood have the most supporters!
Its actually 3,200 (and growing) but whose counting...how do we know this? Because a poster from the membership department posted it on a Hawks board last week
Now look who's making things up
To answer your next question, how many members the club would have without playing games in Tasmania is a moot point.
Greg Swan on radio last night.
Oh the irony, according to your website you have less then 35000 therefore you must have less then 35000 figures...you're clearly making figures up because I didn't here or see the interview, therefore it doesn't exist
Sound familar?
Nearly 5000 Carlton 'memberships' were bought by Visy and are included in the table, so that when times are grim and all the bandwagoners jump off the wagon, no one questions our future.
Sound familar?
And from 2005-2007, Essendon have been shit. What's your point? The reason 1995 has been used as the starting point is obviously because before that year Collingwood was still playing up to 7 games at Victoria Park! 1995 was the first yeat BOTH clubs were using the MCG for nearly all home games. I mentioned this. Didn't you read?
And what is the superior case here? Since BOTH clubs have been using the MCG (1995 onwards) both clubs average almost an identical average crowd from all 286 H&A games. You cannot argue against this UNLESS you begin to pick apart the stats and use selective years and selective examples to suit your particular case. Anyon dimwit can do that. The broad numbers of 286 games show both clubs average about 47,500.
Anyone can then "pick apart" the stats to find something in them to suit their own argument. The broad numbers over ALL games tell the story without the need by Pie fans and pick apart number that suit them.
Essendon have led the Roy Morgan survey over Collingeood for 7 consecutive years. It is not a one-off. It is a not a "random fluke." It has been that way ever since the survey began over 7 consecutive years. I guess if Collingwood had "won" the survey you'd be jumping all over it, but when Essendon win (for 7 years ina row mind you, Hahaha) you claim "non-sampling error"
I guess "non-sampling error" has coincidentally favored Essendon over Collingwood 7 years in a row. Yeah right
See above. Before 1995, Collingwood was still playing 7 games at Vic Park. That is why 1995 was used as the starting point. It is the most relevant and the fairest starting point for a modern day comaprison.
Collingwood had the highest aggregate attendances in each year between 1992 to 1994 (when essendon had moved its home games to the G).
1994
Collinwood 1,039,519
essendon 939,347
1993
Collingwood 888,130
essendon 864,819
1992
Collingwood 1,032,425
essendon 763,762
Its very generous of you not to include those years because you nobley think it will disadvantage Collingwood, but I'm happy to include these as it appears that we had more supporters despite you guys getting the jump at the G and also having a flag tucked in there as well. The only reason you've not counted those years is cos it doesn't suit you to.
The fact that you think you are being objective shows how far away from objective reasoning you are. You accuse everyone else of picking apart stats to suit their case without any awareness that you are doing the same thing. you are an ironic fool, that has already been established.
If roy morgan are using a certain methedology one year that's wrong, they'll be using it every year. There is no correcting mechanism. There are no elections or censuses that help to correct polling and other survey methods. On top of that, it doesn't differentiate between a nominal supporter and genuine one. You can take a silly survery we'll take the reality of more members, higher attendances, much higher turnover.
You can keep asserting the same points that have already been contested and claiming that anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong and not being objective. If you keep doing that you can at least mantain the delusion in your own head at least, but you are not fooling anyone else
- Feb 28, 2003
- 15,060
- 80
- AFL Club
- North Melbourne
- Other Teams
- The Washington Generals
Home game this week and we'll go well past the 30K barrier
FWIW - 27,750 ticketed.
- May 17, 2004
- 10,455
- 3,913
- AFL Club
- Geelong
- Other Teams
- Good bloke
This is very interesting - even if it is 3,200.
I'm curious as to why the AFL allow a 4 game membership to count as fully ticketed.
For example Geelong have a 5 game interstate membership and this is not counted. I'm sure it is the same for most clubs (except hawthorn that is)
- Jul 14, 2007
- 3,836
- 2,287
- AFL Club
- Carlton
Thats a good point. It shouldnt be counted.
JuddtoCarlton
Team Captain
haha
At the end of the day, these comparisons of membership figures mean squat, it is how much the club makes from these memberships that matter, Brisbane for example would pass many teams above them due to their 'expensive' reserve seat packages.
Home game this week and we'll go well past the 30K barrier
FWIW - 27,750 ticketed.
Sexual.
Total Essendon figure as of today: 37751!
Home game this week and we'll go well past the 30K barrier
FWIW - 27,750 ticketed.
I hope you can get these sort of numbers next year and beyond, but that's the last Kangas membership I buy!
Oh the irony, according to your website you have less then 35000 therefore you must have less then 35000 figures...you're clearly making figures up because I didn't here or see the interview, therefore it doesn't exist
Sif you'd rely on those shithole websites anyway.
So do I.
But since 75% of our membership base is fans of other clubs and Australian cricketers - it looks like we'll go back to something around 7500 next season!!!
PHX
Quarterback Style
We have around as many ticketed members as Richmond - but if you said to me, 'here, have another 6 thousand non ticketed members, who require little servicing and provide and excellent profit margin' I'd be all over it.
I agree the AFL audited definition is important, especially as part of the pissing contest, but the non ticketed members are money for jam.
Yep alot of extra cash for the tigers. Good on them.
What is the usual sort of % for non-ticketed members?
What about the replacement games and other Melb games (14).
Thats not bad at all imo.
- Jul 14, 2007
- 3,836
- 2,287
- AFL Club
- Carlton
I dont think so.
You see the Hawks are flying hence your big membership increase.
The blues?
Well we are still losing and a long way away from the Hawks (on field) but still produce membership figures above the 35,000 mark. Not bad for a team that have won 3 spoons in the last 6 years.
Makes you wonder what the blues will get once we start winniing.
It makes me laugh to see Carlton described as "supposed powerhouses".
Carlton have been unbelievably sh1thouse for 5 years. They have made richmond look a form side at times andthat takes doing. They are bloody dreadful. Spineless losers onfield but that said they are a massive massive club with all the potential in the world to be a powerhouse.
Like it or not there are 4 clubs which, if they get it going, can attract 1,000,000 through the gate in a season. Carlton are one of them and they will do just that next time they show any real form..
Carlton have been unbelievably sh1thouse for 5 years. They have made richmond look a form side at times andthat takes doing. They are bloody dreadful. Spineless losers onfield but that said they are a massive massive club with all the potential in the world to be a powerhouse.
Like it or not there are 4 clubs which, if they get it going, can attract 1,000,000 through the gate in a season. Carlton are one of them and they will do just that next time they show any real form..
- May 17, 2004
- 10,455
- 3,913
- AFL Club
- Geelong
- Other Teams
- Good bloke
Not a level playing field.
If Geelong were allowed to include their interstate members as fully ticketed like hawthorn are we would be ahead by thousands.
All club memberships with access to 5+ games are counted. When Hawthorn only played 3 games in Tassie, they got an exception for their 4-game membership to be included (as did someone else....Kangaroos? can't remember).
That reverted to 5+ games only this season.
I have no idea how AFL or MCC (or comparable SCG, Gabba, Subiaco, etc) membership #'s count towards the total.
Apart from the 'pissing contest' - what is much more important is the actual $$$ figure returned. Again from memory, but Eagles and Freo were so far up on the rest of the comp it was a joke (think Eagles were almost double Collingwood/Essendon/Adelaide who rounded out the 5).
From a $ perspective, we have more than doubled our revenue this season, just from a 20% increase in total members (we have had nearly 50% increase in higher-level memberships, and have been turning people away from them for quite a while)
That reverted to 5+ games only this season.
I have no idea how AFL or MCC (or comparable SCG, Gabba, Subiaco, etc) membership #'s count towards the total.
Apart from the 'pissing contest' - what is much more important is the actual $$$ figure returned. Again from memory, but Eagles and Freo were so far up on the rest of the comp it was a joke (think Eagles were almost double Collingwood/Essendon/Adelaide who rounded out the 5).
From a $ perspective, we have more than doubled our revenue this season, just from a 20% increase in total members (we have had nearly 50% increase in higher-level memberships, and have been turning people away from them for quite a while)
Interstate members ARE fully ticketed regardless of the team.
If Hawthorn won the flag we'd have thousands more then we already do...every club that wins a premiership experiences a big boost in membership.
FWIW Hawthorn have had a larger membership than Geelong in no less then 8 of the last 10 years, for this reason I predicted that the Hawks would have a larger membership then Geelong for this season - despite winning the flag, and was universally laughed at by Cat fans...for someone that supposedly makes stuff up, I'm surprisingly right alot of the time. Strange that
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