Damage control: Yet another St.Kilda scandal Part 4

[Red Gum]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

Not everybody thinks that lying on camera is any worse than lying off camera. Personally, I don't see them any differently.

As for being nude... We're not talking about being nude. We're talking about being photographed nude. 2 Completely different things.

hmmm

Lying = lying on camera

Nude =/= nude on camera.

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[Moods]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

You reckon? I got bored half way through it. I certainly hope that the saints players in question aren't stupid or callous enough to make contact with the girl in question since all this blew up. How the author knows this isn't clear. The author seems to be relying a lot on what the girl has told him - the girl is already a proven liar.

Certainly not Sam Gilbert's proudest moment, but how Riewoldt got dragged into all this still baffles me. The most I can figure is that she was angry at him for abusing her when she tried to confront Gilbert when the team was playing in Adelaide.

Anyway this David v Goliath hysterics goes way over the top. Yeah, I agree with one part of the article, the saints shouldn't have sued the girl for damages. All they really want is an apology and an admission she was lying.

 

[Ballbanger]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

The girl changes her story quicker than Malthouse yet morons still want to believe her statements...

How is Beams not included in the schoolgirl's discussions??

I did not think Riewoldt had met this girl even though she originally said she took the photo in a melbourne hotel than changed it to adelaide than said she was not sure where..and still you people want to believe her.

 

[stui magpie]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

Riewoldt as a captain is a joke. He cries when confronted, can't deliver under pressure and takes himself way too seriously. Either of Hayes or Goddard are far superior choices.

 

[Mister Magic]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

The girl initially alleged that she took the photographs.

IMO Riewoldt had no option but to publicly deny it as if he didn't then her 'claim' of being in the room with a naked Riewoldt would stand unchallenged.

As it is there are many here who want to believe the worst because they happen to dislike Riewoldt, St Kilda or both.

One can only imagine the response if that lie (and yes it was proven to be a lie) was allowed to stand unchallenged.

Unfortunately the players involved had no option but to launch Court proceedings to stop both her and the media frenzy that was feeding off her actions.
So far it's worked on everyone in mainstream media other than Hinch, who appears he would do anything to get back the headlines he so obviously craves. (Incidently this is the same Hinch who admitted that as 30+ year old he slept with a 15 year old girl and defended his actions)

As for her story in WHO Magazine that was the basis of the article in the quoted link it loses a lot of credibility to me when it makes the 'categorical statement' that all she was looking for was 'an apology'.

Absolute baloney.
She tried for about 4 weeks to sell those photos. (It's been widely reported and confirmed by a number of media outlets)
She hawked them around the various media outlets, and even tried to sell them to Ricky Nixon - Riewoldt, Dal Santo and Gilbert's manager.

When she got rejected by everyone, she released them on facebook.

This particualr girl is like a 'runaway train' and unfortunately she's being viewed (wrongly IMO) by a large number of our youth as a 'role model'.

My real fear is that like a runaway train she's going to crash, and nobody seems able to stop her from doing that.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

hmmm

Lying = lying on camera

Nude =/= nude on camera.

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Lying is lying, it's not the camera that makes it an issue, it's the attempt at deception. Naked is something altogether different. I was naked in the shower this morning. Big deal. That's hardly the same as being naked in front of a camera now, is it.

The issue with Hird isn't that he lied on camera, it's just that he lied. The issue of St Kilda isn't that they were naked, it's that they were photographed naked.

 

[SamFisher25]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

Have you seen the shots of Harry O'Brien where the only thing he's wearing is the premiership cup he's holding above his head?

It's on News Ltd's News images site.

Harry must be gay.

What's the difference between this and Holland posing with his bare arse for a photo shot and money?

All the people saying it's terribly embarrassing probably go somewhere else to look at more questionable images behind the backs of their family.

Meh.

People are w***ers and do stupid things.

Huge shock!

If they're not hurting anyone, then it's none of our business how they live their lives.

If Dal Santo wanted to join Ball at Collingwood, your match committee wouldn't hesitate to send Ben Johnson on his way to get a better midfielder into your 22.

a blue with a brain

 

[Mister Magic]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

Lying is lying, it's not the camera that makes it an issue, it's the attempt at deception. Naked is something altogether different. I was naked in the shower this morning. Big deal. That's hardly the same as being naked in front of a camera now, is it.

The issue with Hird isn't that he lied on camera, it's just that he lied. The issue of St Kilda isn't that they were naked, it's that they were photographed naked.

Actually the issue at St Kilda is the circumstances those nude phots were taken, and why were they on Gilbert's laptop?

The truth is there are naked (or suggestively near naked) photographs published all the time.
Calendars (fundraising & commercial projects) magazine shoots, to name but a couple, which very few people would have any issue with.

The issue here to me is that this girl 'claimed' to have taken the photographs which was tantamount to a 'claim' that she was in the room with the naked players. A 'claim' which was discovered to be false, after Riewoldt did his presser and categorically denied she was there adn told when his was taken.
Until that stage there was no refuting her ''false claim' and rightfully questions were being asked as to why were naked footballers in a hotel room with a 16/17 year old girl?

A much more serious circumstance (IMO) than what has subsequently panned out to be, so far.

 

[Kildonan]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

Lying is lying, it's not the camera that makes it an issue, it's the attempt at deception. Naked is something altogether different. I was naked in the shower this morning. Big deal. That's hardly the same as being naked in front of a camera now, is it.

Naked is just the same as naked in front of a camera. They are simply configurations of electrons within a memory chip within the camera memory. They do nothing on their own.

What matters morally is if anybody looks the images.
If you look at them - that is more significant.
If you exhibit them to others - again more significant.
If you distribute them without any form of censorship - then that is significantly worse.
The distribution of the images can only be performed if the images are deliberately uploaded to a media that allows their distribution - that person is morally responsible for allowing whatever now happens to the images and I think is legally responsible for the heartache, embarassment, pain and loss of future opportunities caused by the images distribution.

The issue with Hird (and MALTHOUSE) isn't that he lied on camera, it's just that he lied. The issue of St Kilda isn't that they were naked, it's that they were photographed naked.

Just thought you may have accidentally omitted him there so I brought Mick Malthouse back for further scrutiny. I'm glad you agree that his lying was the issue and not the fact that it was caught on camera.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

Naked is just the same as naked in front of a camera. They are simply configurations of electrons within a memory chip within the camera memory. They do nothing on their own.

What matters morally is if anybody looks the images.
If you look at them - that is more significant.
If you exhibit them to others - again more significant.
If you distribute them without any form of censorship - then that is significantly worse.
The distribution of the images can only be performed if the images are deliberately uploaded to a media that allows their distribution - that person is morally responsible for allowing whatever now happens to the images and I think is legally responsible for the heartache, embarassment, pain and loss of future opportunities caused by the images distribution.

So are you saying there's nothing wrong with deliberately storing a copy of a naked image of a team mate, against their will?

Just thought you may have accidentally omitted him there so I brought Mick Malthouse back for further scrutiny. I'm glad you agree that his lying was the issue and not the fact that it was caught on camera.

Anything to divert attention away fro St Kilda, eh?

 

[Kildonan]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

So are you saying there's nothing wrong with deliberately storing a copy of a naked image of a team mate, against their will?

Can you point out where I "said" that.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

Can you point out where I "said" that.

It was omitted from your list, which I was under the impression you were selling as conclusive.

 

[Plugger35]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

Unfortunately for Riewoldt 'the photo' is the least of his worries. The home video will hurt his brand more.

The home video that no one has seen or has any proof that it actually exists? Just sounds like another bullshit rumour that people are passing off as fact.

 

[Kildonan]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

It was omitted from your list, which I was under the impression you were selling as conclusive.

I am not responsible for your assumptions.

For the record - I think what Sam Gilbert has done with the Riewoldt photo is wrong. I am basing this purely on what has been reported in the media and by statements made by Riewoldt and by Gilbert.

He should never have taken it in the first place. Having taken it as a prank, he should have deleted it once the amusement over having taken it had passed. He should never have transferred it from his camera to his computer (although some phones do this automatically when connected). Having discovered it on his computer he should have simply deleted it rather that secreting it in a new folder called "Private".

Even if he did all of these things either consciously or if some of it was done automatically - he still had to do the last step and hence is culpable for a heinous act ...but that act is not anywhere near as culpable as the person who stole the images from his computer and distributed them (without censorship) to a vast public with malice aforethought against innocent victims.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

I am not responsible for your assumptions.

For the record - I think what Sam Gilbert has done with the Riewoldt photo is wrong. I am basing this purely on what has been reported in the media and by statements made by Riewoldt and by Gilbert.

He should never have taken it in the first place. Having taken it as a prank, he should have deleted it once the amusement over having taken it had passed. He should never have transferred it from his camera to his computer (although some phones do this automatically when connected). Having discovered it on his computer he should have simply deleted it rather that secreting it in a new folder called "Private".

Even if he did all of these things either consciously or if some of it was done automatically - he still had to do the last step and hence is culpable for a heinous act ...but that act is not anywhere near as culpable as the person who stole the images from his computer and distributed them (without censorship) to a vast public with malice aforethought against innocent victims.

It wasn't an assumption. It was a request for clarification. Thanx for answering it (eventually).

BTW, when you say he should never have taken it, does that also imply that St Nick should never have posed for it?

 

[Kildonan]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

It wasn't an assumption. It was a request for clarification. Thanx for answering it (eventually).

Mick Malthouse has been an excellent role model for you hasn't he?

when you say he should never have taken it, does that also imply that St Nick should never have posed for it?

I see lots of people react as if they are posing for a photo when a camera is held - it doesn't mean that they expect a photo to be taken - espcially some cases where the act of posing in some manner almost prevents a picture from being taken due to the explicitness of embarassing nature of the pose.

If an image is taken in these cases it is implicitly expected that the image be deleted - I believe this to be a societal norm - not just applying to footballers.

 

[Mister Magic]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

Is that a question or a statement?

My opinion.

 

[Doctor Moffet]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

The home video does exist and is the reason why the Saints' hierarchy went so hard and took the matter to court. Whilst nothing illegal takes place, it casts the players in a new light. Taking team bonding to the extreme. Keep your head in the sand if you want but there are some strange activities taking place at the Saints.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

I see lots of people react as if they are posing for a photo when a camera is held - it doesn't mean that they expect a photo to be taken - espcially some cases where the act of posing in some manner almost prevents a picture from being taken due to the explicitness of embarassing nature of the pose.

If an image is taken in these cases it is implicitly expected that the image be deleted - I believe this to be a societal norm - not just applying to footballers.

Seriously, you're not trying to claim that he didn't pose for that shot, are you? Sounds to me like Hird and Malthouse are the only ones with a question mark over their honesty.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

My opinion.

So it was a statement then?

 

[Mister Magic]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

The home video does exist quote]

So you've actually seen it?
Where and in what circumstances did you see it?

Give us all a rundown of what's on this video, that you've seen.

 

[Mister Magic]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

So it was a statement then?

Yes a statement of my opinion on your opinion.

What's the problem?

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

Yes a statement of my opinion on your opinion.

What's the problem?

No problem, I was just trying to work out if that (now apparently) errant question mark meant you were asking me for an answer.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Brand Riewoldt

The home video that no one has seen or has any proof that it actually exists? Just sounds like another bullshit rumour that people are passing off as fact.

May be psychologically beneficial to prepare yourself for its existence.

If the various rumours are correct, I reckon it will go viral in the next week or so.

 

[Kildonan]

Re: HOMOSEXUALITY with AFL Footballers

Seriously, you're not trying to claim that he didn't pose for that shot, are you? Sounds to me like Hird and Malthouse are the only ones with a question mark over their honesty.

If that's the straw man you want to build - go ahead.

I just know that I wasn't there and can't say for sure either way.