Player Watch Darcy Fogarty - Re-Signed to End of 2031

[rabidcrow]

What could have been. September of 2012 - we ended up being a solitary kick away from making the grand final on the back of a 22 year old and 25 year old Key Forward.

7 months later one of them was gone taking with him future first round draft picks and the other one blew out his knee.

What could have been.

Unfortunately our club has a litany of those since 1999


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[AFC979810]

I'd written Darcy off. Hope to eat humble pie by year's end.

I don't think anyone wants him to fail.

 

[MrBarry]

I don't think anyone wants him to fail.

There's definetly a few posters who massively get off on potting him.

They pick out individual errors every game rather than looking at the broader picture.

 

[John Who]

For 2018, 2019 and 2020 we chose to continue preferring a clearly underdone, badly out of form and constantly injured Tex over Fog.. Tex’s late career renaissance has only been last year and this year.. prior to this most here believed it was all over for the big Texan.

Our development of Fog has been atrocious.

I do believe there is a big misunderstanding on here of how the club sees Fog’s potential. The fact that he’s been tried in various positions in SANFL, to my mind, is that they see him as a unique talent and wanted to explore his potential. Meanwhile, they get to maximise his improvements during SANFL games by putting him in areas where the ball is concentrated at. If we had kept playing Fog at AFL as a forward during 2019-2020, no doubt he would do reasonably ok, but match fitness and goal scoring oortunities would be limited due to our relatively weak midfield.

If the club genuinely has no faith in Fog, we would likely see him get delisted after 3 years of showing barely improved stats. So overall, Fog is gradually reaping the rewards due to his perseverance as well as the club developing him to be a more well-rounded footballer.

TLDR - I do believe the club is not trying to stuff Fog around, but giving him the best opportunity to reach his potential.

 

[BunjiMac]

I don't think this is an accurate description of how they played together.

Ok, I'm happy to be corrected, but that was my impression

 

[Cap]

The thing I've liked is he's showing the agility in close we saw from him as a junior and why he was touted potentially as a midfielders.

I've heard people describe him as slow and perhaps across 100m that is true, but a across 10m he has excellent acceleration and importantly his agility to change direction is very good for a man his side.

When Tex retires, hopefully TT goes into the deep forward role and Fog is more a CHF. I know their engines may suggest the reverse, however I think ideally that's a better outcome if we can get Fog fit enough.

Otherwise we have the Jenkins Walker situation again where the smaller man is forced to deeper on the bigger defenders. I think this limited what we could have gotten from Walker, simply because Jenkins couldn't really battle 1 on 1. We didn't get to utilise all of Walker's weapons and I think this forced him to become bigger and perhaps slower.

The best forward combination we've ever had was the Walker Tippet combo where both costs could absolutely play to their strengths and I think Fog and TT could be this.

In an ideal world Walker was a leading forward who was able to use his clear smarts to kick goals.

If Walker plays in the 90s he is a 80 goal forward.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Ok, I'm happy to be corrected, but that was my impression

i think Jenkins generally played deeper

 

[MarcusP2]

i think Jenkins generally played deeper

It doesn't get deeper than the goal square.

On Pixel 5 using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Coopers]

It doesn't get deeper than the goal square.

On Pixel 5 using BigFooty.com mobile app

You could start right back on the fence, and only try to mark kicks that are otherwise already sailing through the posts.

 

[BunjiMac]

i think Jenkins generally played deeper

Maybe because Walker always got the better defender and was doing most of the crashing of packs. Perhaps that's a better description.

Jenkins inability to do that forced Walker to play that role, which he himself is not that suited to, but had to because Jenkins couldn't.

 

[Interloperer]

i think Jenkins generally played deeper

It was Walsh that swapped them and had Jenkins play closer to goal and Walker more as a centre half forward. Pyke just continued that when he took over

Both players were better of for it.

 

[1970crow]

Like we did with one of those players in the example (Charlie Cameron)?

For me its much more of a recruitment issue rather than a development issue.

IMO we haven't been scared to give young players opportunities. Cameron got to 50 games very quickly. Jones/McHenry have been given 49 and 40 games respectively since drafted which is similar to the top 20 players of that draft class.

We gave McAsey 10 games in his first year, We gave a 200cm 18 year old 14 games last year and Rachele has played every game he could since rd 1. Soligo was given 2 games as a taste and has now played the last 4 in a row. Schoenberg played 8 games in year 1, before playing all 22 games last year with increased responsibility in the midfield toward the end of the year. Butts is another example of a player being given an extended early run.

I understand completely that players take time and mature at different rates. Mitchell Lewis is having his breakout season in his 6th year. In fact much of the 2015 took 6 full seasons to reach top gear. There is still time for FOG and I really hope he can turn it on.

mcAsey got games in 2020 purely as injury cover. We even preferred a badly injured Talia who couldn't turn or train to finish the year instead of getting more games into McAsey. And that was a spoon season where wins meant nothing.

 

[jackster83]

mcAsey got games in 2020 purely as injury cover. We even preferred a badly injured Talia who couldn't turn or train to finish the year instead of getting more games into McAsey. And that was a spoon season where wins meant nothing.

Hartigan was injured wasn't he? Pre-season knee surgery IIRC.

 

[1970crow]

Your post is as much a positive as it is a negative.

Butts for example is out of necessity, not planned development. McHenry got games in a position we didn't recruit him for and has only really shown anything when he plays the quasi midfield. The Club has destroyed any semblance of an AFL player in Jones.

Players who get games get them out of necessity, it's not planned and it's not at the expense of anyone. Cameron and Lachy Murphy got games because the cupboard was bare as well. Cameron to his credit at least had a few good games to earn that.

Schoenberg is the only player I can think of that managed to get minutes in his role at the expense of a senior player and even then it was him begging, not the club planning.

You only need look at the clubs CBA to see they have 0 thought in development outside necessity.

which senior player did Schoey push out of the midfield?

 

[Cap]

which senior player did Schoey push out of the midfield?

Probably a fair point, my memory was that room was made for him at the expense of the existing senior players


However thinking about it now, wasn't Sloane injured?

 

[1970crow]

Probably a fair point, my memory was that room was made for him at the expense of the existing senior players


However thinking about it now, wasn't Sloane injured?

2020 Brad was injured a bit and then 2021 matt all year. Sloane misses games most years, was 2020 the eye? Maybe broken cheek.

edit - broken hand

 

[MRB37]

 

[Scorpus]

Thanks Ben Hart for allowing that habit to set

 

[GameofSloanes]

Wow. It's almost like having good coaches can improve performance
Thank God at least someone at the club could see it and decided to do something

 

[GameofSloanes]

Thanks Ben Hart for allowing that habit to set

Ben hart just had no idea what he was doing. Whatsoever

 

[Thetrader15]

Ben hart just had no idea what he was doing. Whatsoever

He was a defender afterall.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

He was a defender afterall.

He wasn't that great at coaching defense either.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Good to see coaches talking about what we were seeing

Very happy to have Rahilly at the club too given his background

 

[MRB37]

He wasn't that great at coaching defense either.

Ain't that great at coaching the Northern Bullants too.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Ben hart just had no idea what he was doing. Whatsoever

Gun footballer.

Completely clueless coach.

You really wonder who gave him his coaching jobs...