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I think it's not just the Menzel trade, I think our whole 2015 trade period in retrospect was shit.

Dangerfield + Kerridge for Menzel and Milera. Menzel has already been delisted and there are some huge question marks about Milera FAIL

Hampton for 2016 2nd rounder, massive overs for a mediocre injury plagued depth player FAIL

Seedsman for Pick 32, again massive overs and has not yet delivered. I still have hope for Seed, but at the moment this is definitely looking like a poor trade. FAIL
You've been very harsh.

Menzel was a flop - agreed.

Jury is out on Hampton - spent a lot of time injured, but has looked good when he is in the side and has delivered some much needed pace.

Milera has had limited opportunity, but is a young and developing player and has only just turned 20 years old. Still plenty of time to develop, but he has a fine skillset. I'm expecting Milera to have a big year in 2018.

Seedsman spent a lot of this season injured, but he has been more than serviceable, if only for depth. I really enjoyed his finals series.

Clearly 2015 trade period/off season wasn't an amazing one, but it's a long way from being a fail. I'm surprised you didn't mention Doedee in there somewhere too. ;)
 
Not sure I agree with that. Hampton was looking good until he got injured again. If his body gets right he's well worth a second round pick.

Meanwhile, Brodie Smith's injury alone makes the Seedsman trade worthwhile. He'll fill that gap and do it pretty well, I think.
Was Hampton looking good? Defensive pressure but **** all of the ball. Not enough for someone of his experience.
 

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I think it's not just the Menzel trade, I think our whole 2015 trade period in retrospect was shit.

Dangerfield + Kerridge for Menzel and Milera. Menzel has already been delisted and there are some huge question marks about Milera FAIL

Hampton for 2016 2nd rounder, massive overs for a mediocre injury plagued depth player FAIL

Seedsman for Pick 32, again massive overs and has not yet delivered. I still have hope for Seed, but at the moment this is definitely looking like a poor trade. FAIL
How did you provide that wrap up and not mention Gore?
 
Not sure I agree with that. Hampton was looking good until he got injured again. If his body gets right he's well worth a second round pick.

Meanwhile, Brodie Smith's injury alone makes the Seedsman trade worthwhile. He'll fill that gap and do it pretty well, I think.
Hope you're right. But most were saying the same kind of thing pre season 2016, and yet here we are, still just hoping they go ok.

My issue is how much we paid relative to their known history at the time. All 3 had had injury issues, all 3 had shown signs, but had been largely inconsistent when fit, and all 3 were playing reserves.

Take a chance on one sure, maybe 2 at a pinch - but 3? That was collectively a big spend.
 
I think it's not just the Menzel trade, I think our whole 2015 trade period in retrospect was shit.

Dangerfield + Kerridge for Menzel and Milera. Menzel has already been delisted and there are some huge question marks about Milera FAIL

Hampton for 2016 2nd rounder, massive overs for a mediocre injury plagued depth player FAIL

Seedsman for Pick 32, again massive overs and has not yet delivered. I still have hope for Seed, but at the moment this is definitely looking like a poor trade. FAIL

Should have splashed $1.2m on acquiring a gun player rather than $400k each on 3 mid-tier/depth players who have played a combined 33 games in 2 years
 
Milera will not be a fail. With all due respect, to suggest so at this point is rather foolish
:p Whoever has suggested this should refrain from passing comments on footy ....and certainly the annual draft analysis .....ridiculous
 

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Was Hampton looking good? Defensive pressure but **** all of the ball. Not enough for someone of his experience.

That’s true, but he was finally starting to find and use the ball a lot better just before his injury. I felt he was very close to putting it all together which is damn unfortunate. I’m hoping he can pick up where he left off and if so, we all will be licking our lips.


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should have played finals IMO.
Agreed. Dmac was always going to do nothing again and is nearing the end of his career and Atkins we know wilts in big games.

Would've been a sound investment in Milera's development. Could've really used some composed ball use in the granny too.
 
That’s true, but he was finally starting to find and use the ball a lot better just before his injury. I felt he was very close to putting it all together which is damn unfortunate. I’m hoping he can pick up where he left off and if so, we all will be licking our lips.


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I thought the opposite, 3 games of 14, 14 and 15 possessions from a mid isn’t anywhere near good enough.
 
If I told you that Menzel was getting paid $450k a season with the Crows would your opinion change?

No not really, it's the absolute higher end of what I would have payed him, but sometimes you need to splash a little to get deals over he line and we obviously had cash in the bank with Danger leaving. Again, he works out and no one bats an eyelid at those figures.

It's very easy in hindsight to say it was a bust, but we knew he was high risk, but we also knew he was potentially high reward. Knowing this going into it, we can't get all sooky now and say we shouldn't have done it.

The club is regularly criticized for being conservative and not making the moves. We made a move, it didn't work out, you analyze why, what went wrong and what you should do differently in the future. You can't just say, nope he cost too much, it was a balls up drafting him in the first place and end up never drafting anyone because you're too chicken to make a mistake.
 
I think that's perfectly sound logic looking at Menzel in isolation.

I do have an issue with the way the 2015 trade period played out as a whole. It's pretty well documented that we were rolled on Danger thanks to our Harvard genius not wanting to anchor - bigger fish to fry?

I felt we then seemed a little desperate to get bodies through the door as indirect compensation and indeed, justification. I look at Menzel, Hampton and Seedsman as a group, all of whom had their issues, and all of whom were relatively expensive in trade terms.

2 years on, Menzel is gone, Hampton is as he's always been - injury prone and Seedsman - the best of the 3, having played some cameos albeit inconsistently.

They were clearly known risks and, in a collective sense, we overpaid. By trying to compensate for Dangers loss we over did it and took 3 risks instead 1 maybe 2, and then hedging via the draft.

I'm a big fan of Curtly when he's up and running - hopefully we can get a full season of AFL from him in 2018 to add some balance to 2015.

I think we rolled a little early on Paddy, I think we could have pushed a little more there. However I don't have issues with the rest of what we did, our listed needed outside speed and skill, players with that high level talent who would complement a best 22 that already had the make up of a regular finals competitor. I would never take issue with the club punting on young, high level talent.
 
Did we overpay?

When we drafted Menzel, he was an ex pick 13 with the talent of a pick 1, who'd already played 40 games and kicked 47 goals in 3 years on their list, having just had a year ruined by injury. We paid a mid second rounder and a fringe player who was struggling to get a game. Menzel works out for us, and he'd shown good signs at AFL level already, and what we paid would have been SFA and Carlton would have looked like idiots. We weren't getting him for anything less.

I have no issues with the price or the decision to draft him, at the time our side had plenty of depth, but lacked a little cream on the top, especially with Paddy leaving. Menzel was the epitome of cream on the top type player and he was an SA player to boot.

Disappointing that it didn't work out, but you move on, you cannot get everyone right, doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

He didn't have the talent of a pick 1.
 
I think that's perfectly sound logic looking at Menzel in isolation.

I do have an issue with the way the 2015 trade period played out as a whole. It's pretty well documented that we were rolled on Danger thanks to our Harvard genius not wanting to anchor - bigger fish to fry?

I felt we then seemed a little desperate to get bodies through the door as indirect compensation and indeed, justification. I look at Menzel, Hampton and Seedsman as a group, all of whom had their issues, and all of whom were relatively expensive in trade terms.

2 years on, Menzel is gone, Hampton is as he's always been - injury prone and Seedsman - the best of the 3, having played some cameos albeit inconsistently.

They were clearly known risks and, in a collective sense, we overpaid. By trying to compensate for Dangers loss we over did it and took 3 risks instead 1 maybe 2, and then hedging via the draft.

I'm a big fan of Curtly when he's up and running - hopefully we can get a full season of AFL from him in 2018 to add some balance to 2015.

I'm scared we've done the same this year with Lever tbh.

I don't think we would have paid what we did for Gibbs if it wasn't for Lever going.
 
Agreed. Dmac was always going to do nothing again and is nearing the end of his career and Atkins we know wilts in big games.

Would've been a sound investment in Milera's development. Could've really used some composed ball use in the granny too.
I simply can’t believe anyone would say to play a player in a final as part of his development ..... WOW

We were flag favourites & you want to use the GF to help develop a player .... god help
 
I thought the opposite, 3 games of 14, 14 and 15 possessions from a mid isn’t anywhere near good enough.
stop looking at stats & use your eyes .... or if you have the games taped, look back on them now, without the emotion of game-day

Hampton was working his way into the Crows game style, in a new role ..... he wasn’t floundering .... he wasn’t the #1 mid in terms of role, but he has that element to his game, that can break thru zone defenses & break games open

Problem is impatience of supporters who expect instant results
 

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