Player Watch Darcy Moore

[Tarkyn_24]

6 year deal?

After Grundy?

Christ

To be fair it’s not Darcy’s fault Grundy has decided to serve up absolute horse shit since signing the long term deal.

 

[sideswipe]

Agree on your thoughts
Very happy about length of contract - locking in a pivotal cog: very hard to have a dominant attacking KPD
$900k...if it's true seems...significant
Would hope it's closer to $800k


Don't read on if language isn't important to you
According to the writer of the article, we're "wrapped" not rapt!
“We’re wrapped to extend Darcy so he can potentially finish his career here at Collingwood,” Wright said.
When it's your job to write for a living...
It's like when official news sources think they need to put an apostrophe next to every "s" - "A man in his 40's...40s - it's plural, not possessive (KPPs not KPP's!!)
rant done

Reckon you didn't even get to half the errors in that release. Spreading around hyphens like confetti, then not using them, "26-year-old", "vice captain". The comma at the end of Wright's "wrapped" quote. The lack of a full stop after the W in E.W..

The kids of today...

 

[76woodenspooners]

Agree on your thoughts
Very happy about length of contract - locking in a pivotal cog: very hard to have a dominant attacking KPD
$900k...if it's true seems...significant
Would hope it's closer to $800k

It’s a long term deal.

It’s looking like inflation will go up, the the national economy will probably do well (as happens after times of hardship like pandemics), footy is looking to be as popular as ever, so TPP will likely go up. By the time year 6 rolls around, $900K will probably be like $800K is today.

 

[Doc1763]

Very happy with this news. Will be our next captain.

 

[MyManLynch]

Having errors like that in press releases is unprofessional. It happens too often.

I blame the soft cap.

 

[unplugged]

Out of interest, would this make Darcy Moore the highest paid defender in the game?

How would his deal compare to that of other defenders?

He'd be still behind McGovern. And it depends if you factor in any special "sandwiches" Weitering would be getting.

 

[sideswipe]

It’s a long term deal.

It’s looking like inflation will go up, the the national economy will probably do well (as happens after times of hardship like pandemics), footy is looking to be as popular as ever, so TPP will likely go up. By the time year 6 rolls around, $900K will probably be like $800K is today.

It's all capology, but the big multi-year contracts are often linked to cap increases.

 

[SchuPie]

Out of interest, would this make Darcy Moore the highest paid defender in the game?

How would his deal compare to that of other defenders?

Might be
Mind you, it’s probably a lot better than the $800k Williams is on at Carlton
Just happy he signed

 

[sr36]

Reckon you didn't even get to half the errors in that release. Spreading around hyphens like confetti, then not using them, "26-year-old", "vice captain". The comma at the end of Wright's "wrapped" quote. The lack of a full stop after the W in E.W..

The kids of today...

The dash has become acceptable, hasn't it - or not?

 

[manicpie]

I hate long term contracts, hopefully, it turns out to be a good one

 

[Markfs]

i dont like long deals but the only way to make them work is to be successful and we're not that, at the moment, so we're vulnerable to overpaying.

its a bit like the proverbial choice between chicken or the egg to me... you keep players by having a club that wins premierships and you can only do that by having good players.

 

[Quicky]

It's the free agency market.
You've got 3 choices when it comes to stars who are free agents:

Short contracts on massive money
Long contracts on less money
Lose the player.

Which one are you choosing?

I feel like limited free agency has created a system that favours players who reach free agency. There never seems to be a scenario the club doesn't lose out unless the player decides to take one for the team and sign on unders. I think 6 years presents real risks for the club. We've been through this before.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Anyone checked on Sea fog? Make sure he's not swinging from the rafters?

 

[sideswipe]

The dash has become acceptable, hasn't it - or not?

Darcy's on-field dash is acceptable. As was your usage above. The writer was employing hyphens in a slapdash manner which I find extremely offensive. And given I am imagining the writer as some entitled millennial hipster dickhead, he/she/they should be sensitive enough to hear my truth then take appropriate steps to make things right.

 

[Nick Daicos Fan]

Out of interest, would this make Darcy Moore the highest paid defender in the game?

How would his deal compare to that of other defenders?

Jeremy Mcgovern higher, Weitering about the same.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I'm not so fussed by the 6 years. Think its sensible in the context of what we had to do to keep him.

firstly the CBA will force TPP to go up next year. Which is ok.
the contract will be 'mixed' in that it won't be a flat 900 p.a.
not sure whether i hope its front or backended!!!

if he looks like still going strong at 30, the last 2 years can be re-negotiated to extend and spread those over the next part of the contract. Which will further dilute the last few years of payments.

Also i think there is a discount once he hits 10 years. The old Vetrans list was scrapped, but i'm pretty sure there is a discount for players who have player 10 years at the club under the free agency rules.
Several references to it under free agency (albeit nothing concrete !!).
So if that's the case, then discounts start applying pretty quickly as well. Which makes the last few years even better in terms of TPP.

 

[sr36]

I feel like limited free agency has created a system that favours players who reach free agency. There never seems to be a scenario the club doesn't lose out unless the player decides to take one for the team and sign on unders. I think 6 years presents real risks for the club. We've been through this before.

The longer the contract, the more discounted the rate will be, so it's a gamble either way. You can either reduce the yearly amount by giving a longer contract or you can pay the full whack with a shorter term one. In terms of 5+ year contracts, we'll have had wins with Pendles, Adams, Crisp, Sidebottom- the Treloar contract was too convoluted with back pay to really know. Grundy's isn't looking great, but he'll probably play out the 7 years and a 3 year contract would have taken a huge amount of cash per year, so hard to know. Time will tell with Moore. Personally, I think we're probably ahead regarding our long contract bets.

 

[Jonno94]

Has barely been worth half that so far this season, lmao Collingwood.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Rapt to hear Moore is staying, dismayed to hear that Wright is wrapped.

Reserving judgment on the contract itself while the terms, potential for salary cap increases etc. are unknown.

 

[Quicky]

The longer the contract, the more discounted the rate will be, so it's a gamble either way. You can either reduce the yearly amount by giving a longer contract or you can pay the full whack with a shorter term one. In terms of 5+ year contracts, we'll have had wins with Pendles, Adams, Crisp, Sidebottom- the Treloar contract was too convoluted with back pay to really know. Grundy's isn't looking great, but he'll probably play out the 7 years and a 3 year contract would have taken a huge amount of cash per year, so hard to know. Time will tell with Moore. Personally, I think we're probably ahead regarding our long contract bets.

I understand the theory. All of the options you presented were shit options for the club if you don't like risk. It only works if Moore plays high level footy without injuries for that whole period.

 

[76woodenspooners]

The longer the contract, the more discounted the rate will be, so it's a gamble either way. You can either reduce the yearly amount by giving a longer contract or you can pay the full whack with a shorter term one. In terms of 5+ year contracts, we'll have had wins with Pendles, Adams, Crisp, Sidebottom- the Treloar contract was too convoluted with back pay to really know. Grundy's isn't looking great, but he'll probably play out the 7 years and a 3 year contract would have taken a huge amount of cash per year, so hard to know. Time will tell with Moore. Personally, I think we're probably ahead regarding our long contract bets.

I think Cloke was the beginning of what turned CFC supporters against long term contracts.

 

[76woodenspooners]

$900K works out to be around 6.5% of our salary cap.

Doesn’t seem too unreasonable?

 

[Markfs]

I feel like limited free agency has created a system that favours players who reach free agency. There never seems to be a scenario the club doesn't lose out unless the player decides to take one for the team and sign on unders. I think 6 years presents real risks for the club. We've been through this before.

clubs need to be able to trade players who are in contract, and i'm not sure if thats equitable to players who are not getting NBA money.

 

[sr36]

I understand the theory. All of the options you presented were shit options for the club if you don't like risk. It only works if Moore plays high level footy without injuries for that whole period.

If you look at it individually - yes, but that just brings it down to luck. I see risk either way. Fair chance we'd be paying Moore $100,000,000+ per year if we gave him two 3 year contracts - this contract gives a pretty significant saving in that case.

Policy wise, if you get your discounts and player evaluations right - (saving versus the risk of players of that calibre not living up to the contract) you might be able to manage your risk so that you are more likely to win in the long run by offering long term contracts. Basically, you've got to factor in the wins from long term contracts against the losses in order to decide whether they are a good idea - yet this board only focusses on the perceived losses.

 

[Matrix10]

I understand the theory. All of the options you presented were shit options for the club if you don't like risk. It only works if Moore plays high level footy without injuries for that whole period.

And here in lies the conundrum, if Darcy plays 18 -22 games per year over the duration of his contract , it’s a massive win as the guy is a brilliant footballer , the other guy who we caved into , is not a brilliant footballer , just a good/average plodder , I hope Darcy’s body holds up in the main , as he is an elite talent who decides outcomes of many contests , Good luck Darcy. I’m confident we will get good return on this investment. I am bullish .