Deledio And Cotchin Or Murphy and Gibbs

[coke_zero]

I have seen him play once and although he did a few nice things, he was largely inconspicious. That is nothing out of the ordinary for a first year player, but what is it with him that sets him apart?

that would be why. he doesnt get alot of it, because he is young he will find more of it in a few years, but it's what he does with tha ball

 

[coke_zero]

Lets see here again shall we....

On the Richmond side we have an inconsistant, turn over kind in Delideo and an injury prone Cotchin...

On the Carlton side we have a massive consistant ball magnant who has now added goal kicking to his trait in Murphy and a elite user of the ball who is capable of finding his own footy and stopping others as well in Gibbs...

if Cotchin can get his body right it may be the legnth of the Flemington straight, but right now, its the length of the Hume Hwy...

p.s for all of Cotchin's hype, you would think he is the best player in the comp.... Let him on the park for a while before giving the accolades he gets...

many thanks

you are a dead set d*ck head. i could write good stuff about lids and cotch and slag off about your 2 too.

 

[c_malyon]

This is my honest opinion...

At the moment, it is probably
1. Gibbs
2. Cotchin
3. Deledio
4. Murphy

BUT...Give Cotchin 2-3 years and it will be a No Contest...Cotchin has the strive and ability to be the best player in the AFL.

 

[coke_zero]

This is my honest opinion...

At the moment, it is probably
1. Gibbs
2. Cotchin
3. Deledio
4. Murphy

BUT...Give Cotchin 2-3 years and it will be a No Contest...Cotchin has the strive and ability to be the best player in the AFL.

no, cotchin is proberly last at the moment he isnt getting 30 disposals a game, but the disposals he gets it's all class. in a couple of years when he is finding more of the ball he will be on top, hopefully.

 

[ADZO]

Either way it's going to be great watching them over the next decade.

Gibbs and Murphy just though

 

[Nowstop__Flatine]

BUT...Give Cotchin 2-3 years and it will be a No Contest...Cotchin has the strive and ability to be the best player in the AFL.

The strive?

Idiot.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

This is my honest opinion...

At the moment, it is probably
1. Gibbs
2. Cotchin
3. Deledio
4. Murphy

BUT...Give Cotchin 2-3 years and it will be a No Contest...Cotchin has the strive and ability to be the best player in the AFL.

Clearly, after 6 or so senior games Cotchin is the 2nd best of the lot. Once he hits double figures, he'll easily be number 1.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

This is my honest opinion...

At the moment, it is probably
1. Gibbs
2. Cotchin
3. Deledio
4. Murphy

BUT...Give Cotchin 2-3 years and it will be a No Contest...Cotchin has the strive and ability to be the best player in the AFL.

At the moment? As in: At this time? You would have to be kidding.
At the moment - Undoubtedly it is;
Murphy
Gibbs
Deledio
Cotchin

Over the last 20 odd games - arguably;
Murphy (2nd B&F to Judd so don't use "Lids beat Pettifer to the B&F" excuse, has copped major tags in latter part of last year etc.)
Deledio
Gibbs
Cotchin

For what its worth, I'm trying to minimise bias, and otherwise would suggest that Deledio and Gibbs are neck and neck. Example - Gibbs damaging game against the Tigers ~R14, which both parties should be fairly well acquainted with.

Careers wise
Murphy or Deledio
Gibbs
Cotchin

 

[blues4flag]

BlueTouchPaper, Deledio did win the Tigers B&F last year. Had as good a season as any of them last year - was brilliant towards the end of the season.

 

[Heater39]

To BlueTouchPaper, Deledio actually beat Richo (top 5? in the brownlow), obviously he had a very good year.

On current form I would say

1. Murph
2. Gibbs
3. Deledio
4. Cotchin

At their bests, I would have

1. Murph
2. Deledio
3. Gibbs
4. Cotchin

Obviously this is not the best way of looking at it due to all players being from different drafts therefore different ages and development stages etc. but predicting where they will end up is too difficult.

You have to say the Carlton pair at this stage as they are already an outstanding midfield pair.

People seem to think that Cotchin will fly past Murph with ease but I'm not so sure. Murphy regularly picks up 25+ touches and now kicks goals as well. If Cotchin gets to that level then tiger fans would have to be happy.

 

[HBK619]

LOL, should have known some clown would have a crack at one of the Carlton kids!!! Gotta love BF!

Huh? That wasn't a crack, I was trying to get an answer as to why it is that Cotchin is always asked by Carlton supporters as to why he is hyped, yet Gibbs was no less hyped than Cotchin is(WHICH I STILL HAVEN'T GOT, stubborn bunch you Carlton supporters), oh and don't give me the "Oh, he wasn't hyped" line either, because we're not ****en stupid, he was hyped to the eyeballs.

Gibbs has shown plenty more than Cotchin at this stage.

I am not having a crack at Cotchin, but why does everyone say that he will be a superstar when his output has been moderate at best up until now.

Now I know that stats don't mean anything to some, but considering you were all "He doesn't get a lot of the ball" let's just see how Gibbs and Cotchin compared in their first year.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=2302&type=A&fid1=A&fopt1=18&fid2=A&fopt2=18

Make of it what you will, but more disposals on average per game says that Gibbs wasn't warranted any hype, at least from the stand point that you are taking.

 

[HBK619]

Clearly, after 6 or so senior games Cotchin is the 2nd best of the lot. Once he hits double figures, he'll easily be number 1.

I guess he is no.1 then, Cotchin has played 15 games.

 

[coke_zero]

Over the last 20 odd games - arguably;
Murphy (2nd B&F to Judd so don't use "Lids beat Pettifer to the B&F" excuse, has copped major tags in latter part of last year etc.)
Deledio

yet deledio copped major tags for the whole year.

oh and murphy only lost the B&F to judd. lids beat pettifer.

 

[BlueDW]

Huh? That wasn't a crack, I was trying to get an answer as to why it is that Cotchin is always asked by Carlton supporters as to why he is hyped, yet Gibbs was no less hyped than Cotchin is(WHICH I STILL HAVEN'T GOT, stubborn bunch you Carlton supporters), oh and don't give me the "Oh, he wasn't hyped" line either, because we're not ****en stupid, he was hyped to the eyeballs.Now I know that stats don't mean anything to some, but considering you were all "He doesn't get a lot of the ball" let's just see how Gibbs and Cotchin compared in their first year.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=2302&type=A&fid1=A&fopt1=18&fid2=A&fopt2=18

Make of it what you will, but more disposals on average per game says that Gibbs wasn't warranted any hype, at least from the stand point that you are taking.

Agreed, and I wasnt one of the supporters that was hyping Gibbs back in his first year! How about now? I would suggest that Gibbs has flown off into the distance as far as development of the pair goes, so there is a lot more proof that BG is going to be a star of the competition.

My question wasnt anything to do with Gibbs, the evidence is there for all to see, my question is to do with Cotchin? Can you answer it please?

 

[Alpha1]

Or maybe the Richmond players are as good or better.

By the way Cotch managed more games in his first year than Murph did.

Maybe because he was injured? He missed half the season in his first year after a shoulder injury and yet finished third in the Rising Star award. Kid is a gun, and is already elite.

 

[BlueDW]

yet deledio copped major tags for the whole year.

oh and murphy only lost the B&F to judd. lids beat pettifer.

Thank God for that!

 

[BlueDW]

Maybe because he was injured? He missed half the season in his first year after a shoulder injury and yet finished third in the Rising Star award. Kid is a gun, and is already elite.

As well as winning the AFLPA rookie of the year award!

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

you are a dead set d*ck head. i could write good stuff about lids and cotch and slag off about your 2 too.

its hard to say that im right, isnt it...

Just face it, whilst Cotchin is sitting in the stands or recovering from injury, yes he has shown glimpses of what he MIGHT be, he still is a long way behind even Delideo at this moment...

My assessment will change when he gets continuity and reliability in his game

thanks again...

fool

so at this moment

Murphy and Gibbs by the length of the Hume Hwy...

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

I guess he is no.1 then, Cotchin has played 15 games.

Has he? Already...

Jesus, pencil him in as the best in the AFL if that's the case

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Has he? Already...

Jesus, pencil him in as the best in the AFL if that's the case

already been done BZ...
he is already better than Ablett

 

[Rosstickle]

Maybe because he was injured? He missed half the season in his first year after a shoulder injury and yet finished third in the Rising Star award. Kid is a gun, and is already elite.

Think you missed the point there.

He suggested that because Cotchin was injury prone early in his career he will probably have injury problems his whole career. Yet Murphy was injury prone early in his career and has had no problems at all lately and emerged into a star. No reason why Cotchin is doomed.

And FWIW Cotchin also finished 3rd in the rising star.

 

[azza_24]

This is my honest opinion...

At the moment, it is probably
1. Gibbs
2. Cotchin
3. Deledio
4. Murphy

BUT...Give Cotchin 2-3 years and it will be a No Contest...Cotchin has the strive and ability to be the best player in the AFL.

You are an absolute spack.

Putting Cotchin above Lids and Murph is absolutely ridiculous considering he can't get a gig with Richmond yet cause he hasn't ripped it up with Coburg.

Gibbs and Murph are miles ahead.

 

[c_malyon]

At the moment? As in: At this time? You would have to be kidding.
At the moment - Undoubtedly it is;
Murphy
Gibbs
Deledio
Cotchin

Over the last 20 odd games - arguably;
Murphy (2nd B&F to Judd so don't use "Lids beat Pettifer to the B&F" excuse, has copped major tags in latter part of last year etc.)
Deledio
Gibbs
Cotchin

For what its worth, I'm trying to minimise bias, and otherwise would suggest that Deledio and Gibbs are neck and neck. Example - Gibbs damaging game against the Tigers ~R14, which both parties should be fairly well acquainted with.

Careers wise
Murphy or Deledio
Gibbs
Cotchin

I go to nearly all Coburg home games and a few richmond training sessions and from what i have seen at Coburg he is tearing it up, people are not rating Cotchin highly at the moment because people haven't seen him at afl level. I know judging him at VFL level while the others are judged at AFL is a bit risky as they are two different things, but you can only judge at what you have seen...He should be back this week, and everyone should see what i have seen. So that is my reasoning for rating Cotchin so highly.

 

[c_malyon]

You are an absolute spack.

Putting Cotchin above Lids and Murph is absolutely ridiculous considering he can't get a gig with Richmond yet cause he hasn't ripped it up with Coburg.

Gibbs and Murph are miles ahead.

Uh maybe you should watch a few Coburg games before speaking...i go to nearly every Coburg game and he has absolutely torn it up. The reason he can't get a game is because he was suffering an Achilles injury, Cotchin should return for the Tigers this week, and all the nay sayers will see what i have seen... As for Lids...he may be starting to hit his strides now but at the time of this post he was being heavily tagged and was not at his best..

 

[Rosstickle]

Gibbs was quite poor on the weekend. Had very little postive influence on the game. Deledio was quiet up to half time but had a big second half. Murphy got a lot of it but his disposal wasn't great in the second half.

Overall on the weekend it would go - Murphy, Deledio, Gibbs, Cotch (Cotch didn't play but was apparently good for coburg)