Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Supermegaultrathread - Now Starts A Long Offseason

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Question to the drafting experts: what are the roles that need to be filled for us to potentially improve?

Im no draft expert but mids both inside and out preferably a combination of the 2.

Medium defenders/HBF because in 2 years we will be short and should start development now .

Smith Brennan Wilson cut !
Next year we have
Hurn 27
Ellis 27 and injury prone
Butler 29
Waters 29 injury prone

That leaves just Sheppard who has also had injury troubles also .

If we get Laverde or Pickett first that addresses a pace problem
We have waterman that addresses a inside mid list spot
If we can get Nelson with our second that will address a HBF/mid list spot . From what I have read he also has good kicking skills on both sides which is good for our new game style .
Add Lockyer and another HBF/ wing spot also gets addressed

Project ruck and we are done !

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Not sure we need half back flankers...

We are fine for 4 years or so and the reality is, it is probably the easiest spot to fill. And guys who can't crack it as midfielders get put there anyway

One thing is hiding us back from being competitive in September - midfield. All meaningful resources should be thrown at it

 

[Masto]

Not sure we need half back flankers...

We are fine for 4 years or so and the reality is, it is probably the easiest spot to fill. And guys who can't crack it as midfielders get put there anyway

One thing is hiding us back from being competitive in September - midfield. All meaningful resources should be thrown at it

We don't need more back flankers but I would argue we don't have any quality young ones - so drafting a quality one wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[Johnno22]

Question to the drafting experts: what are the roles that need to be filled for us to potentially improve?

I' m no drafting expert but I do have an opinion on this.

Each of the top four team have quality , very quick outside mids that can turn a game on its head on the turnover and be instrumental in four to five goals per game and this is something we completely lack.

1. Hawthorn. Issac Smith and Brad Hill.
2. Fremantle. Stephen Hill, Ballantine and Pearce.
3. Sydney. Lewis Jetta and Rowan (when fit)
4. Geelong. Motlop and Murdoch.

Players with elite speed and precision kicking can change the tempo of a match and at times completely demoralise an opposition as well as being bloody exciting.

I know sometimes recruiting for this type of player can be a risky business but as you can see they are not necessarily top 10 picks.

It's probably no accident that Port Adelaide's rise to prominence as a contender was on the back of recruiting this type of player.

 

[eagles rule]

Tunbridge isn't much of an outside player - he doesn't run to the right spots and struggles to anticipate how the play develops. This is why his disposal numbers are so low. He might learn these things but i'm skeptical. I'd probably move him into the midfield as another Colledge-type project but that's probably a long-shot as well.

Agree on Tunbridge , I would like to keep him and play him in a tagging role so he can learn from the best mids where to run .He has speed and can tackle and he can be damaging as a tagger I see him as similar role and growth as Langford from Hawks .

 

[dext]

I' m no drafting expert but I do have an opinion on this.

Each of the top four team have quality , very quick outside mids that can turn a game on its head on the turnover and be instrumental in four to five goals per game and this is something we completely lack.

1. Hawthorn. Issac Smith and Brad Hill.
2. Fremantle. Stephen Hill, Ballantine and Pearce.
3. Sydney. Lewis Jetta and Rowan (when fit)
4. Geelong. Motlop and Murdoch.

Players with elite speed and precision kicking can change the tempo of a match and at times completely demoralise an opposition as well as being bloody exciting.

I know sometimes recruiting for this type of player can be a risky business but as you can see they are not necessarily top 10 picks.

It's probably no accident that Port Adelaide's rise to prominence as a contender was on the back of recruiting this type of player.

Agreed. Let's hope pickett slides enough then

 

[Avalor]

I' m no drafting expert but I do have an opinion on this.

Each of the top four team have quality , very quick outside mids that can turn a game on its head on the turnover and be instrumental in four to five goals per game and this is something we completely lack.

1. Hawthorn. Issac Smith and Brad Hill.
2. Fremantle. Stephen Hill, Ballantine and Pearce.
3. Sydney. Lewis Jetta and Rowan (when fit)
4. Geelong. Motlop and Murdoch.

Players with elite speed and precision kicking can change the tempo of a match and at times completely demoralise an opposition as well as being bloody exciting.

I know sometimes recruiting for this type of player can be a risky business but as you can see they are not necessarily top 10 picks.

It's probably no accident that Port Adelaide's rise to prominence as a contender was on the back of recruiting this type of player.

Brad Hill was awesome yesterday. It's annoying as he was there for the taking as i recall. We just have not recruited these pacy, game-spltting types enough in recent years.
I hope we go for Pickett.

 

[pantskyle]

Did anyone watch the footy show on thursday night ?
I missed it.
There's a post on the draft board that said O'meara wanted out of GC.
Is this true ?
I thought he was contracted to 2015 or 2016 ?

If it was on the footy show its certainly not true.

 

[kranky al]

If it was on the footy show its certainly not true.

Do they even talk about footy on the footy show?



I thought it was the washed up afl players lame vaudeville show

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Not sure we need half back flankers...

We are fine for 4 years or so and the reality is, it is probably the easiest spot to fill.

Really ? If you want quality HBF you either need to pay a high price for someone almost ready to play eg waters hurn Kolodnashnij . Or use a later pick and develop them .
I would rather use our second pick on a medium defender/HBF that could hopefully have rotations in the midfield later on looking towards our future . Then use our first rounders on quality mids .
Going into 2016 who will be our medium defender HBF ?
Hurn 28
Ellis 28 ( if even playing )
Sheppard
Pretty slim pickings especially if as seen at the end of this year hurn is so good forward of centre and Sheppard is to eventually play on the wing .

 

[ytpme]

Really ? If you want quality HBF you either need to pay a high price for someone almost ready to play eg waters hurn Kolodnashnij . Or use a later pick and develop them .
I would rather use our second pick on a medium defender/HBF that could hopefully have rotations in the midfield later on looking towards our future . Then use our first rounders on quality mids .
Going into 2016 who will be our medium defender HBF ?
Hurn 28
Ellis 28 ( if even playing )
Sheppard
Pretty slim pickings especially if as seen at the end of this year hurn is so good forward of centre and Sheppard is to eventually play on the wing .

How many "first rounders", before our second pick, do you think we actually have?

 

[dajesmac]

Not sure we need half back flankers...

We are fine for 4 years or so and the reality is, it is probably the easiest spot to fill. And guys who can't crack it as midfielders get put there anyway

One thing is hiding us back from being competitive in September - midfield. All meaningful resources should be thrown at it

Outside the our 22 we have the following defenders:

Carter
Brennan
Wilson
Waters
Sheppard

3 of these players aren't fit to be on the list in 2015 and another one of them is Waters. While I don't suggest we use a first rounder on one I wouldn't take for granted that we're all set for back flankers.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

How many "first rounders", before our second pick, do you think we actually have?

Just 1 ! Sorry if it was not clear but my point was if we don't draft a HBF this year we would have to draft a ready made player in the near future probably costing our 1st rounder if we want quality . If we can identify talent that needs time to mature we can keep our first rounders in the coming years for midfield talent .

 

[Johnno22]

Outside the our 22 we have the following defenders:

Carter
Brennan
Wilson
Waters
Sheppard

3 of these players aren't fit to be on the list in 2015 and another one of them is Waters. While I don't suggest we use a first rounder on one I wouldn't take for granted that we're all set for back flankers.

I agree with this but one thing I noticed in the second half of the season was that all our backs other than Mackenzie and Brown rotated through the middle much like Hawthorn and Sydney did.

Also when some opposition mids rested forward they were picked up by one of these backs and our tagger had a spell on the bench.

Maybe going forward we will see more of this and players like Rosa, Tunbridge and College might be used as backmen as we move to a more versatile playing group.

Most interesting was how the form of Masten lifted dramatically when he took on the Rosa role , competing and picking up useful possessions in the back half.

So as a result we may see a change in approach to the type of players we recruit deep in the draft.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Question to the drafting experts: what are the roles that need to be filled for us to potentially improve?

No experts but, in order.

1. Elite midfielders with a good to strong contested game base. This goes from extractors, balanced inside/ outside types and a wingman. At the moment the emphasis should be speed and disposal balance, height is as a tactical advantage should be considered secondary.

2. Good forward of center small and medium players. I don't really believe that the limited "crumbers" have a place in modern football. But smalls with elite ball handling, agility and goal sense would be nice. They need to bring midfield potential and other attributes to the table which makes finding them hard.

3. Half backs. With Smith, Wilson, Brennan on the exit and Butler, Waters injury issues and this will develop into an area of need. We'll need a high end prospect in the near future. Must be elite kicks, 185 - 190cm tall and have some physical aspects to their game.

 

[mattyc75]

OK, let me give you an example Eastern Rangers. In the Vic M game, 3 VM players were streaming down the wing. Closest player was Pickett. He was trotting down the middle, didn't change direction and angle his run towards the 3 players, just dawdling back towards the defensive goal. Blind freddy could see the ball was going to go down the wing to the 3 free players, which eventually happened. The VM got the ball and ran towards the 50, outer HF and Pickett almost ran him down. Wow, he's so fast my son said. You can guess my response? They still scored, so he didn't prevent that.

sounds like smith

No experts but, in order.

1. Elite midfielders with a good to strong contested game base. This goes from extractors, balanced inside/ outside types and a wingman. At the moment the emphasis should be speed and disposal balance, height is as a tactical advantage should be considered secondary.

2. Good forward of center small and medium players. I don't really believe that the limited "crumbers" have a place in modern football. But smalls with elite ball handling, agility and goal sense would be nice. They need to bring midfield potential and other attributes to the table which makes finding them hard.

3. Half backs. With Smith, Wilson, Brennan on the exit and Butler, Waters injury issues and this will develop into an area of need. We'll need a high end prospect in the near future. Must be elite kicks, 185 - 190cm tall and have some physical aspects to their game.

do you still think abbott would be a good pick up?and a realistic 1 at that?

 

[Avalor]

sounds like smith

do you still think abbott would be a good pick up?and a realistic 1 at that?

Abbott...i for one would like him late on if he is still there.

 

[footballfreak]

We need a
Quality A-grade mid-Inside or outside

A Small forward

And maybe another out-side runner

Hopefully we'll see enough natural progression for sheed, so he can fulfil our need for an A-grade midfielder. Otherwise through the draft is where we'll build the team. Signing free-agents hasn't helped us.

 

[Underdog]

Trying Tunbridge on a half back flank is an interesting idea

 

[mattyc75]

Trying Tunbridge on a half back flank is an interesting idea

Tunbridge wasn't showing much when he was playing in the backline at wafl level.He only started to improved when moved forward.That was before he moved to east perth tho.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Tunbridge blew smoke as a half back. But his development has stagnated, i'm curious as to why that is. At Perth he stood out a lot, and a lot more ball passed through his hands as a forward, perhaps added forward options at East Perth make it harder. He plays a lot deep through stages this year and would really only get a few minutes on ball where he gets a little lost at the moment and he seems to struggle for touch after being parked up forward for a long periods.

Tunbridge likes to get the ball kicked too him (in one on ones), and then he likes to compete. He really needs to work harder to make himself available for uncontested marks and then he needs to bust his guts going the other way when he's ignored. At the moment he seems to wait too much when playing deep, and go too wide when going up the ground.

Id certainly be giving him another year because something isn't working in regards to him going to the right places to find the ball, when he gets the ball isn't the problem. Making his lack of ball winning ability all the more frustrating.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

I' m no drafting expert but I do have an opinion on this.

Each of the top four team have quality , very quick outside mids that can turn a game on its head on the turnover and be instrumental in four to five goals per game and this is something we completely lack.

1. Hawthorn. Issac Smith and Brad Hill.
2. Fremantle. Stephen Hill, Ballantine and Pearce.
3. Sydney. Lewis Jetta and Rowan (when fit)
4. Geelong. Motlop and Murdoch.

Players with elite speed and precision kicking can change the tempo of a match and at times completely demoralise an opposition as well as being bloody exciting.

I know sometimes recruiting for this type of player can be a risky business but as you can see they are not necessarily top 10 picks.

It's probably no accident that Port Adelaide's rise to prominence as a contender was on the back of recruiting this type of player.

I'd say compared to
Sydney - Kennedy, Parker, Jack, Bird
Hawks - Mitchell, Lewis, Hodge
Freo - Fyfe, Barlow, Mundy
Geelong - Selwood, Kelly, Stevie J

The 'outside' miss are hardly relevant

 

[TOA.]

Tunbridge blew smoke as a half back. But his development has stagnated, i'm curious as to why that is. At Perth he stood out a lot, and a lot more ball passed through his hands as a forward, perhaps added forward options at East Perth make it harder. He plays a lot deep through stages this year and would really only get a few minutes on ball where he gets a little lost at the moment and he seems to struggle for touch after being parked up forward for a long periods.

Tunbridge likes to get the ball kicked too him (in one on ones), and then he likes to compete. He really needs to work harder to make himself available for uncontested marks and then he needs to bust his guts going the other way when he's ignored. At the moment he seems to wait too much when playing deep, and go too wide when going up the ground.

Id certainly be giving him another year because something isn't working in regards to him going to the right places to find the ball, when he gets the ball isn't the problem. Making his lack of ball winning ability all the more frustrating.

Agree, ideally we should be playing him as a wingman in the WAFL to help him learn to run into space over and over again. Wouldnt play that role at AFL level but needs to build those skills badly.

 

[WereFlyingHigh4]

Wouldn't mind playing Wellingham has a HBF if needed, maybe he could find some form there. He seems pretty good overhead too and could use his pace to give us some rebound.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Jordan Lockyers reserves stats Avg -
Games -18
Disposal -24.8
Kicks- 11.6
Handballs- 13.2
Marks- 6.2
Tackles- 4.2
Frees for- 0.3
Frees against- 0.6
Clearances 1.8
Rebound50- 2.3
Inside50- 2.6
+ 2 goals 2 behinds for the year
Also been a consistant accountable defender .

Harry Marsh reserve stats average -
Games - 14
Disposals-20.3
Kicks -9
Handballs-11.3
Marks- 4.3
Tackles- 3.1
Frees for-0.4
Frees against-0.3
Clearances-3.3
Rebound50- 1.5
Inside50-2.9
+ 7 goals 10 behinds for the year .

Lockyer I feel would have been getting games for us this year if he was on our list and marsh would be about the same development stage as collage .
I don't know if we would have enough list space to get these 2 , Lockyer I would be happy to have on the senior list and we would probably have to have a token trade for his and marsh on the rookie list if he gets delisted