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Delisted Eagles for 2005!
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^Eagle^ said:
So you start off bagging Cox and end off by calling him a legend ? WTF ?
Did you watch the last match of WC vs Melbourne ? Cox gets 38 hit outs and a goal. Compare that to a ruckman regarded as one of the best in the comp (White) on the same day, getting 9 hit outs and stuff all possessions.
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Cox aint $hit. The opposition coaches rank him highly, but not as high as Gardi. I agree Gardiner is a better footy player than Cox, but that dos'nt mean he is $hit.
Lay off fellas, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Personally, I reckon Cox is fantastic, but as yet does not have the ability to win a game off his own boot like top ruckmen do (at their peak, Gardiner, White, Primus, Darcy, King, Everitt). That said, he's young, rarely beaten, consistent and his scope for improvement is enormous, which is why clubs like the Saints and Bombers would trade their left nuts for him.
Admittedly, ^Eagle^ has said some outrageous things in this thread (not least the Tarrant trade
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Admittedly, ^Eagle^ has said some outrageous things in this thread (not least the Tarrant trade
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OK i admit he's a top ruckman but you can't be a ruckman and not have good thinking skills going out of defence. As a ruckman, you are part of the midfield(a very slow part, but still an important target) and should be able to kick to the longest option available. And a lot of Eagles do it..we seem to kick short quite a fair bit but Dean Cox is the biggest culprit IMO. When he has the ball in defence he looks to his right, left, behind him and then choses his option: kick short, handpass short and let someone else kick the ball out of defence. And don't tell me it's because he's giving it to a better kicker - an AFL player should be able to pinpoint a target up to 30/40m away minimum. If he has to pass the ball off 15m away 85% of the time so that he doesn't have to kick long, he should be spending this preseason working on his kicking. It's either that or he just doesn't have the midfielder brain. Great ruckman, pretty average footballer.
I'm just saying that i don't think Cox is as great as everyone says(btw how old is he? i thought he was in the late 20s)
I'm just saying that i don't think Cox is as great as everyone says(btw how old is he? i thought he was in the late 20s)
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39. And I'm guessing you're 11?No, actually what you said was that 'were you the only one who realises how $hit cox is.'
Cox lacks polish, but there's a reason for that, at 22/23 he's still virtually a kid in a position notorious for taking a long time for players to master. I don't think he'll ever be a Gardiner, but just for arguments sake, I'd say his kicking is actually far better than Gardiner's was at the same stage of his career.
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No, He's in his early 20's. Turned 23 at the start of August. He's played 76 games and despite having his short comings is playing the best football of his career. He's a young ruckman, clearly you didn't even know this, so really you don't really know all that much about Dean Cox and his scope for improvement into an even better ruckman. His kicking is average, he's not the worst in the team and I think he's getting better.
Around the ground, he's a valuable contributor, No, he's not Michael Gardiner but last time I checked the vast majority of ruckmen to play in recent years aren't as good as Gardiner.
Here's a thought - Michael Gardiner aged 23 - 2002, maybe he would have had the edge on Cox, just, but really Gardiner has played 75% of one excellent season in 2003. There is still improvement in Dean Cox, he's come a long way this year and perhaps if you learnt more about the players your bagging, you'd realise that.
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im not a huge dean cox fan but I do admire how hard he has worked because he doesn't have the natural abilities of someone like gardiner and seabs. Most of his tap outs are usually to the same spot, or goes to the opposition (I know he got better at this in the melbourne game). Also if he can fix up his kicking at goals, he will be a star
All in all he will never be a match winner but will give us an edge in ruck..
All in all he will never be a match winner but will give us an edge in ruck..
E2EK1EL said:im not a huge dean cox fan but I do admire how hard he has worked because he doesn't have the natural abilities of someone like gardiner and seabs. Most of his tap outs are usually to the same spot, or goes to the opposition (I know he got better at this in the melbourne game). Also if he can fix up his kicking at goals, he will be a star
All in all he will never be a match winner but will give us an edge in ruck..
His tap work isn't bad, and will improve the longer he plays. His kicking is a worry, and is probably a technique issue that may need to be addressed.
Don't think we'll try and trade Cox till end of next year, if at all. Im not convinced on what level Gardiner will be in the future. Hope he gets back to his best or his contract will mess up our Salary cap.
As for Cox's kicking_ his foot passing is better than Gardiner's.
As for Cox's kicking_ his foot passing is better than Gardiner's.
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Do you think if the Eagles win the game it will be because of their height. By the way Collica and Munro will be flicked(fact) they were told this before. Also Chambers is a strong chance to get traded!
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Thank god you were here!
You really do have your finger on the pulse Luke Logan.
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we had 38 normal playters, 1 veteran plus 5 rookies at the start of the year.
Jakovich is one veteran gone. But i think Banfield goes onto the veteran list next year.
Trent Carroll can NOT be traded. He's very ordinary indeed but after Lynch and Glass, he is the only genuine tall backman we have, with Hunter another option.
That is the reason why i suggest we look at trading one of the tall forwards (probably Hansen) for a back of similar ability and performance and age.
- So Jako is gone.
- Banfield to veteran.
- Brett Jones defientaly comes from rookie to main list.
- If the club sees a future for Rudeforth he does likewise and Grayham will come onto the main list in 2006. If the club doesn't see a future in Rudeforth then Grayham will come onto the main in list 2005. Most likely the latter i think will happen.
- Edwards will probably be delisted, and possibly redrafted onto the rookie list.
- Embley will remain on the rookie list.
- Michael Collica, unfortunately, will have to be delisted. Good Enough player but mainly he's just not getting games and is now 27.
- Jeremy Humm and Kane Munro will also most probably get the chop. Munro has the talent but not the heart or size. Humm has the heart and toughness but not the talent.
So we now have 36 main list players, 1 veteran, and 1 rookie. so we need to get rid of at least 1 more main list player.
6 weeks ago i would've said Wooden, but not now.
Gaspar has to stay on just because of his talent. Hopefully he gets over his injuries. I think 2005 may be his last chance. At the very latest 2006.
Not really sure who the next player is - maybe Chambers.
Or another option is to trade some of the tradebait players for some late draft picks.
Jakovich is one veteran gone. But i think Banfield goes onto the veteran list next year.
Trent Carroll can NOT be traded. He's very ordinary indeed but after Lynch and Glass, he is the only genuine tall backman we have, with Hunter another option.
That is the reason why i suggest we look at trading one of the tall forwards (probably Hansen) for a back of similar ability and performance and age.
- So Jako is gone.
- Banfield to veteran.
- Brett Jones defientaly comes from rookie to main list.
- If the club sees a future for Rudeforth he does likewise and Grayham will come onto the main list in 2006. If the club doesn't see a future in Rudeforth then Grayham will come onto the main in list 2005. Most likely the latter i think will happen.
- Edwards will probably be delisted, and possibly redrafted onto the rookie list.
- Embley will remain on the rookie list.
- Michael Collica, unfortunately, will have to be delisted. Good Enough player but mainly he's just not getting games and is now 27.
- Jeremy Humm and Kane Munro will also most probably get the chop. Munro has the talent but not the heart or size. Humm has the heart and toughness but not the talent.
So we now have 36 main list players, 1 veteran, and 1 rookie. so we need to get rid of at least 1 more main list player.
6 weeks ago i would've said Wooden, but not now.
Gaspar has to stay on just because of his talent. Hopefully he gets over his injuries. I think 2005 may be his last chance. At the very latest 2006.
Not really sure who the next player is - maybe Chambers.
Or another option is to trade some of the tradebait players for some late draft picks.
Essentially Brett Jones will take Carrolls place on the list. Carroll hasn't looked like getting a game for quite some time and next year Lynch and Staker should be able to fill in at FB against the taller opponents while Hunter and Jones take the ones 192cm and below.
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Dose anyone think that Brett Jones will play tommorow? Woosha has named him as an emergency but I doubt that he will play. Humm has had a quite year in the WAFL... that will play a big part in his AFL future caree.
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yeah
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hmmmm possibly.coasting said:
But Staker is definetaly not big enough to be a defender just yet.
The thing is there is just no depth in terms of numbers. As ordinary as Carroll is, he's better than having no one on the list as a backup defender.
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Jones cant play to many positions. In all fairness, if he dos'nt tag an opposition player, than he struggles.
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BREAKING NEWS !
Jeremy Humm,
Kane Munro,
Trent Carroll and
Michael Collica have all been told that their services are no longer required past this season. Worsfold told them this morning that they will be delisted at the end of the season. WCE will annouce this later this month.
Jeremy Humm,
Kane Munro,
Trent Carroll and
Michael Collica have all been told that their services are no longer required past this season. Worsfold told them this morning that they will be delisted at the end of the season. WCE will annouce this later this month.
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