Autopsy Demons 97 defeat Dogs 71. Never was so much owed by so many to so few

[CarnTheScray]

Sweet would be a better option than Schache lol. At least a body to kick to.

 

[Mofra]

Surely Sweet is a better option than Martin if he can't physically do it anymore. From memory Sweet is a pretty aggressive type. That's half the battle as a ruckman.

I think we're looking for more a 50/50 split - perhaps even less, with more time forward.
Yes Sweet is aggressive, but there needs to be a bit of forward craft there as well if he's going to be apart of the team. I actually hope he comes on quickly because there is a spot there for him if he's worthy

 

[Libbaaaa]

The Libba selection in hindsight was an absolute mare, not like we couldn't have just split his usual CBA numbers between Dunkley, Baz and Treloar.

 

[LondonBulldog]

When its Melbourne turn to move, they go... and unfortunately Hunter and Libba cannot go with them. There are plenty of teams were Hunter and Libba will still be valuable and will be role players for the team yet can though go with Langdon or Petrucca? Each year you need to transition players, Arthur Jones come on down...

Another interesting thing with Melbourne is that they just clear the ball from defence, long raking kicks to a contest they are confident they will win. We take the measured approach through good ball users but under the ultimate pressure it doesn't always come off. May, Petrucca, Oliver just clear it as long and as far as they can.

 

[Mr. Walker]

I am really disappointed in Bev and his performance at the presser. He represents our club and should do it better. A journalist making public a leak he gets is par for the course. I get Bev is livid that someone he trusts has betrayed him but that is where his anger should be directed.
As for the game last night, it’s a different year but some things are still the same -

• Roarke Smith keeps his spot solely because one or two players perform worse each week.
• VDM is still a rabbit in the headlights and does not appear to be improving ( as is Schache, Gardner, Cordy and Hannam)
• Weightman needs to actually do something at some stage ( how long does “potential “ alone get you selected?
• handball, handball, handball eventually leads to turnover
• missing targets and dropping easy marks seems acceptable in our club

 

[Doggies_13]

Last nights game any stats or comparison between transition from defence to offence between us and them should be taken with a grain of salt. Not saying Melbourne aren’t good at transition because they are but key things last night made them look better at it they than actually are.

We made so many mistakes with the ball last night but they were short mistakes which gave zero chance of recovery and blew structures out of the window.

When we turned the ball over going from half back to the wing through short 50/50 kicks our players had already moved into attacking positions which left us thoroughly exposed. The exact same happened with out entires inside forward 50 we constantly went with shallow entires to contests or out number situations and generally in the corridor area which again led to us being opened up. We made Melbournes transition game look better than it is through costly skill errors.

 

[Fossie 32]

 

[Hoges64]

The amount of times we’d get both hands on the footy in a marking contest and as we’re on the way down it gets chopped out and called play on (4 times) compared to the Dees (5 times) having it called a mark every single time was the most frustrating part of the umpiring. The rest of it was fine imo. The umpiring was not the reason we lost at all. Just a frustrating double standard I guess.

This was a prticular bugbear of mine last night too. The Brown mark that (?Dunkley?) chopped out of his hands, then we had the exact same thing happen not two minutes later, no mark. Frustrating inconsistency.

Cordy career is over. Has lost all mobility. He was so good a few years ago.

I was REALLY hoping he was the Morris replacement, but ironically since Morris retired he's declined SO much. I know it helps having someone of Moz's ilk there to help with positioning etc, so maybe that's also a large reason for the decline? He's just caught off his player way too far way too often.

Why is Roarke Smith getting in the neck? What did he do that was so bad.

Bailey Williams was without doubt the most damaging player on the ground-against us. So many costly and basic errors. Shocker of a game.

Roarke had possibly the worst quarter of football I've ever seen from a player in the first, which tends to stick in the memory. Mostly redeemed himself throughout the rest of the night but that first quarter was an absolute stinker.

And then Williams, wow. 16 possessions for 25 CD points tells you EXACTLY how well he used the ball.

 

[Libba39]

The Libba selection in hindsight was an absolute mare, not like we couldn't have just split his usual CBA numbers between Dunkley, Baz and Treloar.

Not sure if its common knowledge, but I heard that Libba had covid earlier this year.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Bevo is a lunatic, I love him but that was hilarious. Just give Morris and other muppet journos donuts the standard “both teams played hard” and give them no ammo. Hope he can have us performing on the park because they will be coming for his head if we don’t. Also just announce the teams properly, too much cute BS which reeks of us trying to get some sort of leg up that doesn’t involve just being better on the field.

Thought English monstered Gawn, aside from his absolute BS goal he was a non factor. Which makes the fact we were behind the 8 ball for all but 20 mins of the game that much more disappointing. Demons first to ever 50/50, first to a ball spilling from the pack and always managing to win a contest when at a numbers disadvantage. They are very Patriots like with their system, just plug and play.

Bailey Williams needs to literally be exercised of his Demons, something about the red and blue turns him into a spud. Our entire KPD, including Keath were terrible, freaking box head Fritsch was taking contested marks, the first of his career I might add.

Crappy turnout which was bound to happen on a Wednesday but pathetic by Dees supporters, guess they were still down the peninsula after Labour Day weekend.

Did you go to the game? There was heaps of Melbourne supporters they outnumbers us. 70% Dees 30% Dogs, wednesday night, hardly any kids/families was a good crowd.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Not sure if its common knowledge, but I heard that Libba had covid earlier this year.

Libba had covid like.. two weeks ago. Still recovering, I was honestly surprised he was selected.

 

[Golden_6]

Libba had covid like.. two weeks ago. Still recovering, I was honestly surprised he was selected.

I think it could potentially be a bit more than that. I simply don't think we can fit 6 genuine centre square onballers into our rotation. Last year it was Dunks, Treloar & Baz that spent most of their time on the wings or up forward. It's pretty clear that both Dunks & Baz want to be in the guts rather than sitting at half forward and Libba may be the one squeezed out. It'll be interesting to see what happens over the season because at nearly 30, they may be phasing him out but who knows.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Positive: We got to within a 4 with Bont on the bench for the last. Take Petracca out and they look ordinary.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Jamarra should just come in and develop in the AFL team. He can't be any worse than the sh*t talls we are playing, but he actually has the potential to become good, unlike the others.

Agreed. Schache Cordy and Gardner as our talls is just not ever going to work. They might be AFL standard at Gold Coast, but the fact that they are best 22 in our team says a lot about the lack of depth in our key positions and our backline.

 

[Foxman98]

Positive: We got to within a 4 with Bont on the bench for the last. Take Petracca out and they look ordinary.

Positive: Bailey Williams surely can't gift them 6 goals again

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Few points:

16 shots from 51 entries, while poor, is exactly how well Melbourne defended last year (30% shots per inside 50)

We were at 40% last year, only slightly above league average of 38%.

Issue was losing I50 57-51, especially given the centre clearance wins was 18-9 to us. Whilst our forward line was incredibly poor, sometimes you almost have cop not shooting from much more than 30% of entries, and just hope you defend well, squeeze the game in transition and comfortably win the I50 battle. The midfielders arguably did their job. Our defenders did their job to some extent (while Dale and Daniel didn't play to AA abilities, they were still okay, and Croizer played well, especially when not much was working in the first quarter).

So we can cop it if we're not generating shots, Melbourne does that to teams. The issue is how our our forwards didn't help our clearance wins or transition ball movement, especially 50-100m from goal.

Weightman you can defend because he plays smaller to goal and has a job nipping at heels.

Issue is with Hannan, Libba/Hunter resting forward, Vandermeer, Cordy and Schache.

Vandermeer just isn't skilful or strong enough to influence games like this. Sure, he has pace, but in modern footy 180cm and 77kg isn't strong enough given the amount of times his lack of physicality mattered.

Just watch the first 5 minutes. In the opening minute, with 19.15 yo play Vandermeer wins a ball inside 50 in traffic, but doesn't have the balance and/or physical strength to ride the tackle to free space, and does a weak handball that's easily intercepted.

Then in the centre bounce clearance win following the first goal of the game, Hannan had a good kick from Bont on the HFF, in which he doesn't attack the ball at speed, doesn't protect front position, and lets a spoil in from what every medium forward in the league should have the ability to be a mark. 17:30 to play.

JUH might disappear, and have his issues. But even if we assume he plays as well as he did on average in the games he played last year, surely, he offers more than our combination of forwards. Vandermeer went at only 65% efficiency despite having 11 handballs out of his 17 disposals. Cordy, Weightman, Hannan, Schache, Hunter and Libba combined for only 44 total disposals. Naughton - our key forward!! Had more kicks than everyone who played forward for us. Even if you take out the 5 shots Naughton had goal directly, Naughton still had more kicks than the other forwards.

I get some of that is simple balanced talent distribution. You have five all-star mids and a bunch of defenders who are great, and the rule of salary cap and draft means that you're going to have duds in the forward line. It's the multiplicative effect and lack of creativity that gets me though. Maybe these players are ok AFL standard, but you can carry 2-3, not 4-5 like we were. We have a number 1 draft pick who we chose not to play. We had a bloke who led our goalkicking two years ago, that we chose not to play. And I get that our two late outs stuffed our overall structure (JJ and Martin would have both been forward). But there's got to be a better way. Because if that's the support we're giving Naughton until Bruce comes back, well, we have to rely on having 3 or 4 other All-Australians among the 12 other players like the last couple of years to make finals, which is no guarantee.

 

[VitalDread]

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Always find it stiff they red mark the subs that don't play

 

[CarnTheScray]

Cordy career is over. Has lost all mobility. He was so good a few years ago.

Schache had a shocker but I would play him as the backup ruckman and utility. Tim rucks 70%. He needs a role, not thrown around everywhere.

like others have said just give JUH the season to develop in seniors if he is working hard at training.

VDM turns it over all the time. Love his speed and attack. Give AJ and JJ a go.

Roarke is still not best 22 but has gone past Hunter. I would drop both but Hunter first.

Hannan can look good but someone with his speed, agility, leap should be able to get more than 8 possession.

Out. Cordy, VDM, Hunter, Hannan
In JJ, JUH and Obrien if fit - Wallis

on notice Gardner, Schache, Weightman, Libba, Williams, Roarke.

Cordy is not even AFL match fit.

 

[Libba39]

Cordy is not even AFL match fit.

Not saying I disagree, but is that fact or speculation?

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

I thought it might bring me a little joy to watch the second quarter during my lunch break but Kayo decided they may as well not bother recording a couple of minutes so I miss 3 of our goals. Footy is not going well this week.

 

[bullish23]

I am not being funny here, but I actually missed the 2nd quarter due to a work call. For the other 3 quarters we kicked 2 goals and looked totally outclassed. I could not understand how we were outnumbered at nearly every contest. Their zonal defence is superb.

If Carlton lose tonight the heat’s really on next week with the sideshow that will develop from the presser.

 

[Dogsman16]

2 other points.

1) I never ever want to see Naughts in the ruck contest ever again. Bloke is far too important to be doing that. I don't care if its at Auskick level and hes on his knees contesting, I never want to see it.

2) How many times do people have to tell these experts that "tagging the oppo best mid" would be to the determent of our zone. Imagine if 17 players are instructed to zone meanwhile one player is told to follow Petracca/Dusty around all day. Basically allows good teams to open the zone up like swiss cheese if we leave gaps by tagging.

 

[stefcep]

2 other points.

1) I never ever want to see Naughts in the ruck contest ever again. Bloke is far too important to be doing that. I don't care if its at Auskick level and hes on his knees contesting, I never want to see it.

2) How many times do people have to tell these experts that "tagging the oppo best mid" would be to the determent of our zone. Imagine if 17 players are instructed to zone meanwhile one player is told to follow Petracca/Dusty around all day. Basically allows good teams to open the zone up like swiss cheese if we leave gaps by tagging.

if Petracca and Oliver end up with 70 possessions between them the zone is irrelevant anyway.

 

[Munnez]

Speaks volumes about their mindset and the team’s expectations.

Very worrying that stat

Melbourne took a lot of marks Inside fwd 50 More concerned about our lack of pressure allowing Melb to spot up targets

 

[Munnez]

He was ready to throw hands. Never seen a coach get to that point. Trust is a big thing for him and you can tell he’s gutted and betrayed by the lack of.

It was compounded by the fact Morris did the same thing in the GF leaking our team early to help Melb plan.

I’m genuinely stunned that happened.

The more concerning issue is who at the club is leaking the team information. That needs some investigation and consequences for the guilty party