Traded Dion Prestia [traded to Richmond with pick 24 for pick 6 and 2017 second rounder]

[Apex36]

Inconsistent?
He averaged 25touches in a midfield who was missing all there midfielders

Was 2nd in Clearances till round 8 when he Got injured

Had 39 touches against Sydney , not many players do that

Second and third in our best and fairests 13/14

You want inconsistent look at most of the Collingwood football club since Malthouse left.

Instead of having a crack at him, maybe read his post properly.
He never said Prestia was inconsistent. He said that RFC were inconsistent in that they made a godfather offer to Dion yet won't reflect that in their trade offer. You just took a shot at a poster who was on your side you twit.

 

[Ben Drever]

Instead of having a crack at him, maybe read his post properly.
He never said Prestia was inconsistent. He said that RFC were inconsistent in that they made a godfather offer to Dion yet won't reflect that in their trade offer. You just took a shot at a poster who was on your side you twit.

My bad. Apologies.

In all honesty I'd prefer to keep Dion then recieve pick 6.
Us GC fans know what he is capable of at AFL level
Unlike the TAC kids

 

[PicaBoo]

Inconsistent?
He averaged 25touches in a midfield who was missing all there midfielders

Was 2nd in Clearances till round 8 when he Got injured

Had 39 touches against Sydney , not many players do that

Second and third in our best and fairests 13/14

You want inconsistent look at most of the Collingwood football club since Malthouse left.

Sold for pick 6 to the gentleman in the corner with the yellow sash.

 

[SabreTooth]

A question for the Suns supporters. Why does Prestia want to leave?

 

[Ben Drever]

A question for the Suns supporters. Why does Prestia want to leave?

Think he has told the club few years back he has this big tight nit wog family.
And at some point he'll go home.
The fact his contract ran out now. Plus our injurys and form this year all contributed to him leaving now.

 

[Snooza 100]

This deal will get done, Richmond deserve a little bit back in return and they will get it!!

 

[prodigy]

Oh come on, surely if you're going to engage in banter the minimum you'd do is research the actual injury issues of the player in question...

Confirmed on the day of the trade its $500k per year, guaranteed 2 years, triggers for the 3rd.

I seem to be pretty on top of whats happening at the pies. Moreso than you are anyway evidently.

Are you not capable of keeping an eye on any major trades other than ones your club is involved in? Simple minds I guess...

Wells is known for soft tissue injuries.
Even if he has a little niggle, he opts out of playing.

Yeah because 500k makes it all okay... No. what do you think those triggers might be? Games played maybe... Based on his wage, you wouldn't want him missing too many games and just like that, third year triggered on the contract for a 35 year old.
You'd hope you are close to a premiership.

I'm not a Collingwood supporter, I'd be asking some serious questions of you if I knew more of your club than you do. Congratulations.

I keep an eye on all trades everywhere, not sure how that is relevant.


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[Lsta062]

Everyone but Richmond fans have the same thought.

A lot of people also feel like Gold Coast should send something the other way if they get pick 6.

Although I don't mind giving away pick 6, I feel that there needs to be something coming back the other way if we are to give away pick 6. Perhaps a pick in the 20s (which you guys have quite a few of). If not pick 6, then a mid-first rounder from us to you seems alright to me as well for a straight swap (like pick 10-13).

Pick 6 straight is something that I'd give for a good KPP or a club-changing tall midfielder. I doubt Prestia will lead us to rocket up on the ladder because of our existing deficiencies in other parts of the ground, so I understand the reluctancy of some to giving pick 6.

Still, I don't mind if it did come down to a straight swap (I think Prestia is a good player) but would be a little disappointed if it is a straight swap for pick 6 and Prestia as we will not have a first-rounder. But anyway.

 

[SabreTooth]

Think he has told the club few years back he has this big tight nit big family.
And at some point he'll go home.
The fact his contract ran out now. Plus our injurys and form this year all contributed to him leaving now.

Thanks

 

[pebblestone]

"I got a bloke coming to pick up an order today. Its worth $30.00. If he has a fiver in his wallet well thats not enough, i WANT the thirty. I have a feeling he will tell me to f^%k off because I'm unreasonable"

I got a bloke coming to pick up an order today. It's worth $30. If he only has a 50, well that's too much. HE'S GOING TO WANT CHANGE. I have a feeling if I refuse to give him his change he will tell me to f#%k off.

 

[Apex36]

Wells is known for soft tissue injuries.
Even if he has a little niggle, he opts out of playing.

Soft tissue injuries aren't the reason he's missed a lot of football though. It's Achilles and a broken foot that have been his issues. Take out those two injuries and he averages about 20 games a year over his career. In regards to soft tissue issues though, he's being put on the same strength and conditioning program that turned Ben Reid's fortunes around. Fingers crossed it has a positive impact.

Yeah because 500k makes it all okay... No. what do you think those triggers might be? Games played maybe... Based on his wage, you wouldn't want him missing too many games and just like that, third year triggered on the contract for a 35 year old.
You'd hope you are close to a premiership.

I'm fine with $500k and so are most pies supporters. We have an enormous amount of cap space that needs to be used. Trigger for the third year is games played in 2018. If he's still fit and playing good footy and hits his triggers, excellent. He wasn't brought in neccessarily as a premiership piece, rather than an experienced, quality player in order to hopefully bring us in to finals and give our young players vital experience in order to further their development.

I'm not a Collingwood supporter, I'd be asking some serious questions of you if I knew more of your club than you do. Congratulations.

I keep an eye on all trades everywhere, not sure how that is relevant.


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So you're able to keep an eye on all trades everywhere, but I need to concentrate on Collingwood only? Ok then.

Once again though, this thread seems to be getting derailed by Richmond supporters deflecting their own issues by bringing up Collingwood's trades...

 

[pebblestone]

We want what we value him at, and we think he is worth a 1st round pick, not our fault you decided to land in a spot where you have the 6th pick and want our player.

And what happens if you don't get what you want and Prestia refuses to sign another contract?

 

[prodigy]

Soft tissue injuries aren't the reason he's missed a lot of football though. It's Achilles and a broken foot that have been his issues. Take out those two injuries and he averages about 20 games a year over his career. In regards to soft tissue issues though, he's being put on the same strength and conditioning program that turned Ben Reid's fortunes around. Fingers crossed it has a positive impact.

I'm fine with $500k and so are most pies supporters. We have an enormous amount of cap space that needs to be used. Trigger for the third year is games played in 2018. If he's still fit and playing good footy and hits his triggers, excellent. He wasn't brought in neccessarily as a premiership piece, rather than an experienced, quality player in order to hopefully bring us in to finals and give our young players vital experience in order to further their development.

So you're able to keep an eye on all trades everywhere, but I need to concentrate on Collingwood only? Ok then.

Once again though, this thread seems to be getting derailed by Richmond supporters deflecting their own issues by bringing up Collingwood's trades...

Reasoning on first two points is fair enough but I still feel 500k a year for a 32 year old with a poor injury history is excessive.

We aren't deflecting our own issues at all. I just struggle to grasp how GC supporters and yourself could think pick 6 is fair market value for Prestia.
I've gone over the reasons that he shouldn't be traded for pick 6 and all I've got back is people saying "then why are you paying him so much?".
It's not relative and never has been.
Plus it hasn't been confirmed how much we are willing to pay him. Reportedly around 700k a year. Who knows though, could be more, could be less.

Prestia's worth is, which most have agreed upon, is between pick 10-19. Similar to Tom Mitchell.
If Richmond had a pick in that range, the deal would have been done day one, guaranteed.
However, we don't which is our own doing, but it is completely understandable why we wouldn't wish to part with it. It's the highest pick we have had for a long time now and it is overs for Prestia.

However, oppo supporters think pick 6 is fair, but when Carlton were into Prestia, pick 5 was overs.
Oppo supporters and media want Richmond to dish up pick 6, so it's another joke they can use other than 9th and Tambling over Buddy.

I'm happy that club hasn't bent over in the first week and given up pick 6, although it is starting to look like it will happen, but I feel that we will get something back of worth such as an early second or something like the following;
When Gold Coast get 10 for JOM
Richmond - 6+27
Gold Coast - Prestia and 10


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[Myles]

And what happens if you don't get what you want and Prestia refuses to sign another contract?

You complain about how the Suns are being "campaigners" as we trade him to another Victorian club that offers what we like.

 

[Apex36]

Reasoning on first two points is fair enough but I still feel 500k a year for a 32 year old with a poor injury history is excessive.

We aren't deflecting our own issues at all. I just struggle to grasp how GC supporters and yourself could think pick 6 is fair market value for Prestia.
I've gone over the reasons that he shouldn't be traded for pick 6 and all I've got back is people saying "then why are you paying him so much?".
It's not relative and never has been.
Plus it hasn't been confirmed how much we are willing to pay him. Reportedly around 700k a year. Who knows though, could be more, could be less.

Prestia's worth is, which most have agreed upon, is between pick 10-19. Similar to Tom Mitchell.
If Richmond had a pick in that range, the deal would have been done day one, guaranteed.
However, we don't which is our own doing, but it is completely understandable why we wouldn't wish to part with it. It's the highest pick we have had for a long time now and it is overs for Prestia.

However, oppo supporters think pick 6 is fair, but when Carlton were into Prestia, pick 5 was overs.
Oppo supporters and media want Richmond to dish up pick 6, so it's another joke they can use other than 9th and Tambling over Buddy.

I'm happy that club hasn't bent over in the first week and given up pick 6, although it is starting to look like it will happen, but I feel that we will get something back of worth such as an early second or something like the following;
When Gold Coast get 10 for JOM
Richmond - 6+27
Gold Coast - Prestia and 10


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My reasoning is simple. If my team drafted a player of Prestias quality at pick 6 I'd be thrilled. At the end of the day pick 6 is a lottery ticket. You might draft a gun, or you might get a dud. You get a guarantee of a quality AFL player with Prestia.
The Mitchell trade is a poor benchmark imo, as Sydney were in a salary cap bind and couldn't afford him. Wanted a first round pick. 14 was unders, but at that point their choice was 14 or next years first. Given that 14 is the lowest pick Hawthorn have had for years, I wouldn't want to gamble that their next years first rounder would be as good or better than 14. It is what it is.
GC and Richmond are in a very different situation. Putting a benchmark on the Mitchell trade is folly in this instance imo given the differing circumstances and picks available.

Hope you don't think I'm trolling here, because your last post was reasonably measured compared to your other ones and I'm responding in kind.

There's no way that GC will give you back pick 10 in any deal though. That's a pipe dream. Your best hope would be Prestia and 30 for 6, but it seems like even that's not going to be easy to get. GC are on the war path this year. You guys picked the wrong year to poach a player from them. Blame Hawthorn and JOM for that.

 

[prodigy]

My reasoning is simple. If my team drafted a player of Prestias quality at pick 6 I'd be thrilled. At the end of the day pick 6 is a lottery ticket. You might draft a gun, or you might get a dud. You get a guarantee of a quality AFL player with Prestia.
The Mitchell trade is a poor benchmark imo, as Sydney were in a salary cap bind and couldn't afford him. Wanted a first round pick. 14 was unders, but at that point their choice was 14 or next years first. Given that 14 is the lowest pick Hawthorn have had for years, I wouldn't want to gamble that their next years first rounder would be as good or better than 14. It is what it is.
GC and Richmond are in a very different situation. Putting a benchmark on the Mitchell trade is folly in this instance imo given the differing circumstances and picks available.

Hope you don't think I'm trolling here, because your last post was reasonably measured compared to your other ones and I'm responding in kind.

There's no way that GC will give you back pick 10 in any deal though. That's a pipe dream. Your best hope would be Prestia and 30 for 6, but it seems like even that's not going to be easy to get. GC are on the war path this year. You guys picked the wrong year to poach a player from them. Blame Hawthorn and JOM for that.

The top 8 in the draft this year look extremely promising, and in our position we need another potential gun of the competition coming through for our long term prospects of prolonged and consistent success.
A player in the ilk of a Brodie or Taranto (either could go at six), coupled with Prestia with hopefully Caddy coming in for Deledio, puts us in a strong position moving forward.
We will be targeting key position next year so who knows when we will be in a position again to have a top 10 pick, because I'd hope we are making finals in 2018 at a bare minimum.

I'd be disappointed if we settled for pick 30 coming back and I don't think we will. Guess we will see.
You're right about Gold Coast this year though, I think they're shooting themselves in the foot being this difficult to deal with.


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[Ben Drever]

Reasoning on first two points is fair enough but I still feel 500k a year for a 32 year old with a poor injury history is excessive.

We aren't deflecting our own issues at all. I just struggle to grasp how GC supporters and yourself could think pick 6 is fair market value for Prestia.
I've gone over the reasons that he shouldn't be traded for pick 6 and all I've got back is people saying "then why are you paying him so much?".
It's not relative and never has been.
Plus it hasn't been confirmed how much we are willing to pay him. Reportedly around 700k a year. Who knows though, could be more, could be less.

Prestia's worth is, which most have agreed upon, is between pick 10-19. Similar to Tom Mitchell.
If Richmond had a pick in that range, the deal would have been done day one, guaranteed.
However, we don't which is our own doing, but it is completely understandable why we wouldn't wish to part with it. It's the highest pick we have had for a long time now and it is overs for Prestia.

However, oppo supporters think pick 6 is fair, but when Carlton were into Prestia, pick 5 was overs.
Oppo supporters and media want Richmond to dish up pick 6, so it's another joke they can use other than 9th and Tambling over Buddy.

I'm happy that club hasn't bent over in the first week and given up pick 6, although it is starting to look like it will happen, but I feel that we will get something back of worth such as an early second or something like the following;
When Gold Coast get 10 for JOM
Richmond - 6+27
Gold Coast - Prestia and 10


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Suns pretty much giving up 2 top 10 picks for 6 and 27? How's that fair?

Get a mid teens pick then maybe

 

[prodigy]

Suns pretty much giving up 2 top 10 picks for 6 and 27? How's that fair?

Get a mid teens pick then maybe

If you relate the trade back to points. I think Prestia's worth averages out to pick 15 or something like that. Don't quote me on it though. Not entirely sure.


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[Ben Drever]

If you relate the trade back to points. I think Prestia's worth averages out to pick 15 or something like that. Don't quote me on it though. Not entirely sure.


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How about Richmond get off the high horse and trade lids and Ellis
And get a decent pick in the door.

Rather then dragging your feet thinking GC will come around.

Be proactive like the Hawks you might actually get somewhere

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Saw Dion down at the Public House in Richmond last night... clearly going to the Tiges!

 

[prodigy]

How about Richmond get off the high horse and trade lids
And get a decent pick in the door.

Rather then dragging your feet thinking GC will come around.

Be proactive like the Hawks you might actually get somewhere

We aren't on a high horse? Don't know what you are on about, if any club is on their high horse, it's Gold Coast.
We want Caddy for Lids it seems. Bulldogs are on the record as saying they aren't interested in Deledio. It was just a rumour. Deledio has said he will go to Geelong if a deal can be made, but is aware he is contracted so is happy to stay which seems unlikely.


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[Ben Drever]

We aren't on a high horse? Don't know what you are on about, if any club is on their high horse, it's Gold Coast.
We want Caddy for Lids it seems. Bulldogs are on the record as saying they aren't interested in Deledio. It was just a rumour. Deledio has said he will go to Geelong if a deal can be made, but is aware he is contracted so is happy to stay which seems unlikely.


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Caddy for Lids..
Ones a a 24yr old bull

One is a 30 yr old injury prone

It's not a straight swap ever..
Look at Mitchell for pick 88 after winning a BF
Lewis is going for a third rd pick..

And what do the tigers want for Lids. A 10-15 pick/player lol

 

[pockets75]

Caddy for Lids..
Ones a a 24yr old bull

One is a 30 yr old injury prone

It's not a straight swap ever..
Look at Mitchell for pick 88 after winning a BF
Lewis is going for a third rd pick..

And what do the tigers want for Lids. A 10-15 pick/player lol

Apart from poor grammar, I think you'll find Deledio is 29 and has only played less that 19 games twice in 12 seasons. Nice try though.

 

[prodigy]

Caddy for Lids..
Ones a a 24yr old bull

One is a 30 yr old injury prone

It's not a straight swap ever..
Look at Mitchell for pick 88 after winning a BF
Lewis is going for a third rd pick..

And what do the tigers want for Lids. A 10-15 pick lol

A 30 year old injury prone? He has played more games than Prestia in the last two years...
He also barely had an injury before his achilles injury, didn't miss a game for some ridiculous number, it was well over 100, nice try though.

Deledio is worth a late first.

Straight swap probably isn't fair but it comes down to Geelong's needs. Geelong are gunning for a premiership, they think Deledio can help them to get there. Sometimes you need to pay slight overs for a premiership.
We have identified Caddy as the player we want in the swap, by all reports he is happy to come over.

If we had to, I'd be happy to Deledio and our 4th or 5th round pick for Caddy if that's what it takes.

A lot thought the deal was going to be;
Deledio and pick 27 for Caddy and 35 (when Geelong got that pick from Freo for Kersten.)


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[Thewlis Dish]

Apart from poor grammar, I think you'll find Deledio is 29 and has only played less that 19 games twice in 12 seasons. Nice try though.

Those happened to be the last two seasons. Nice stat though.