Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Wallace52]

Correct

So, did she ever give them actual breakfast? Did anyone bother checking the kitchen for food remains?

 

[alwaysintrigued]

Which court orders are you talking about, 31550? If the statements were redacted and released by the coroner, I think that would mean they comply with any court orders.

As far as I know, no one has ever explained to the public which court orders do apply, but hopefully you know different. One of the magistrates in one of the other cases mentioned a few, but that was in a Local Court matter, not Coroners Court.

Really the public don't need to know, as the people in possession of certain documents know the orders & people in court know of the orders & suppression on certain evidence given in court etc

 

[Lady O]

So, did she ever give them actual breakfast? Did anyone bother checking the kitchen for food remains?

FGM in her walk through, described in detail what they had for breakfast. I don't expect there were any food remains, I think FGM washed up.

 

[Wallace52]

Really the public don't need to know, as the people in possession of certain documents know the orders & people in court know of the orders & suppression on certain evidence given in court etc

I would say that a lot of people who have documents they’re not supposed to have, and they don’t know the orders but maybe I am wrong.

 

[Wallace52]

FGM in her walk through, described in detail what they had for breakfast. I don't expect there were any food remains, I think FGM washed up.

Yes but I don’t think she was truthful in that aspect.

 

[Kurve]

There's also an indication the FF was still there when the Spiderman photos were taken on the back porch. It's in these threads somewhere but I'll wait see if this comes up at all through the hearing.

Looking at the images, my mind has always immediately jumped to the assumption they were taken earlier than 9.30am. Just an impression.

 

[stormbird]

Really the public don't need to know, as the people in possession of certain documents know the orders & people in court know of the orders & suppression on certain evidence given in court etc

It does matter, IMO. I wasn't in court and thus have no idea whether I can legally refer to information I've seen in a redacted released statement or not. If the laws were identified, I could have a go at reading them myself and would have a better idea of what's okay and what isn't.

 

[js47]

I think FGM was right there was 3 for breakfast William ate with FF.

 

[Wallace52]

There's also an indication the FF was still there when the Spiderman photos were taken on the back porch. It's in these threads somewhere but I'll wait see if this comes up at all through the hearing.

Looking at the images, my mind has always immediately jumped to the assumption they were taken earlier than 9.30am. Just an impression.

Yeah I think even “blind-Freddie” would concede that there was probably another person there when the photos were taken, as William seemed to be looking right at him/her and it wasn’t the grandmother, as she is in the frame.

 

[Wallace52]

It does matter, IMO. I wasn't in court and thus have no idea whether I can legally refer to information I've seen in a redacted released statement or not. If the laws were identified, I could have a go at reading them myself and would have a better idea of what's okay and what isn't.

You can probably refer to the info in opaque terms without quoting it verbatim. IMO.

 

[31550]

Thanks alwaysintrigued. That's the first time I've seen that reported.

"A copy of the brief" would be huge though, wouldn't it? Thousands of pages, lots of folders. I think the redacted statements which have been released by the coroner should be outside a rule which covers the other unredacted unreleased statements (everything else in the brief), but I'm just guessing.

Does anybody know which laws apply?

I'm not sure which statements if any have been 'released' by the coroner (for publication or general use). I think some have been leaked but that has been with the consent of the coroner.

 

[Kurve]

Yeah I think even “blind-Freddie” would concede that there was probably another person there when the photos were taken, as William seemed to be looking right at him/her and it wasn’t the grandmother, as she is in the frame.

I don't recall exactly where I saw the information when I thought "Oh ... he was still there when those photos were taken".

Not definitive of course but if I get time later I'll go back and try to find it.

 

[stormbird]

You can probably refer to the info in opaque terms without quoting it verbatim. IMO.

That would be useless, IMO, and not much different to making it up. If you can't check a source for yourself you can only guess whether the person conveying it is being accurate.

 

[BFew]

Looking at the images, my mind has always immediately jumped to the assumption they were taken earlier than 9.30am. Just an impression.

For the Police to publicly admit that the time on the Spiderman photos has been proven to be earlier than 9:30am,
Police probably have to be ready enough to explain what this says about the additional POI/suspects, and previous POI/suspect's alibis, evidence, statements and claims already tendered to Police, the Coroner, media, or the NSW Crime Commission. Without making it too difficult to, in future

• successfully prosecute anyone for serious crimes in relation to William without too much undermining confidence in the Justice System; and
• without damaging the careers and reputations too much, of key Justice or LE players.

IMO, the most likely time for the Police to publicly admit that the time on the Spiderman photos has been proven to be earlier than 9:30am, would be in tandem with, or subsequent to an arrest, charges and prosecution in relation to William.

Or possibly only after the solving of the case, in a way that did not directly incriminate the Fosters (including the FGM).
And only then, if there was no other way it could be avoided.
Or to end speculation about the Spiderman photos.

 

[Lady O]

Looking at the images, my mind has always immediately jumped to the assumption they were taken earlier than 9.30am. Just an impression.

Shhh, don't tell tcp.

 

[stormbird]

I'm not sure which statements if any have been 'released' by the coroner (for publication or general use). I think some have been leaked but that has been with the consent of the coroner.

There were news reports constructing stories from the witness statements as they were released (saying something like "this statement was released by the coroner today"). If I can do it today I'll make a list from the ones I recorded.

 

[Kurve]

For the Police to publicly admit that the time on the Spiderman photos has been proven to be earlier than 9:30am,
Police probably have to be ready enough to explain what this says about the additional POI/suspects, and previous POI/suspect's alibis, evidence, statements and claims already tendered to Police, the Coroner, media, or the NSW Crime Commission. Without making it too difficult to, in future

They already fired Jubelin and I don't think there's many around who buy the official reason put forward of why he was fired. There was always more to that story imo.

We might eventually find out.

 

[31550]

There were news reports constructing stories from the witness statements as they were released (saying something like "this statement was released by the coroner today"). If I can do it today I'll make a list from the ones I recorded.

I am talking about written sworn statements from witnesses tendered to the coroner, not statements made by or on behalf of the coroner herself.

 

[Underarrest_]

You know what makes me really sad? Is that he didn’t even get time for a bath or shower before he died. So he’s out there somewhere, un-cared for, in a dirty state, he wet his nappy / pull-up that morning so his bum probably still had a bit of wee smell or residue on it (one would need a bath or shower to really get urine completely off a little kid), he’s got dirty feet and he is dressed in a flimsy cheap costume from Bali, probably has no shoes on, and he’s just left there.

He gets:

No dignified burial
He’s left for dead, dirty and un-bathed
He is shoeless
He doesn’t have his favourite toys with him
He is all alone in the bush
He is away from everyone who may have loved him
His sister had to ride home a few days later in the family car with his car seat still in the car, and no one sitting in that seat

This is a boy that had the State of NSW as their parent, legally.

And people wonder why the NSW police have thrown everything at the chance to find him. Well that’s why.

We have to find him. It’s not fair for him to be out there, alone in the bush. He is a child of the State. He had no chance at having a decent life once he was put into care.

People have a right to know where he is. His parents who gave birth to him have a right to know where he is.

I want answers. I want to know where William is and what happened to him.

I am sick of hearing lie after lie after lie. I am sick of Clare and Alice building their career on marketing this case. It should be illegal to sell merchandise out the front of a Coronial Inquest, and they best not have their toddler ribbons on display at Lidcombe next week. How dare they monetise the senseless demise of this child.

I think Australia has waited long enough. For the truth, as ugly as it may be

Thank you for sharing your feelings Wallace52. You’ve described the reality of what this is really about and the importance of answers (and justice)...for William, who deserved so much better.

 

[MarkyMark88]

I am a bit puzzled today when I read this from 2015. When asked when he last saw William, the FF replies 10.15. The FM is vague. 10.15???? how does that fit into the timeline?

IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure

The parents of missing toddler William Tyrrell have spoken for the first time about their son’s disap...

www.9news.com.au

 

[Angry Red Bull]

They already fired Jubelin and I don't think there's many around who buy the official reason put forward of why he was fired. There was always more to that story imo.

We might eventually find out.

What I read was that the 2IC had a disagreement with direction of investigation.....innocence of FM and they came to fists ( GJ and 2IC). The 2IC I then assume decided to throw GJ under the bus about his illegal listening devices.. at the same time he probably outlined HIS brief to higher command to do a real hatchet job on him changing direction of investigation .

The pace of this thread of late and the contributions have been amazing. Many issues have been resolved which would be even better if fact resources ie witness statements were readily available..if we can't we can't. But I know in case of McCann case the full 4300 odd pages are available for inspection and I've read most of them. It makes it much easier to resolve the case.

 

[Kurve]

I am a bit puzzled today when I read this from 2015. When asked when he last saw William, the FF replies 10.15. The FM is vague. 10.15???? how does that fit into the timeline?

IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure

The parents of missing toddler William Tyrrell have spoken for the first time about their son’s disap...

www.9news.com.au

Hi.

I think the FF just meant that was the last sighting of William. There's a transcript in the link.

P: When did you guys last see him?


M: That morning, on the 12th at Mum’s place.


D: About 10.15am.

P: Police
M: Mum
D: Dad

 

[js47]

OMG! ARB where do you find the time?
The problem is holding all the information.
I had forgotten MarkyMark88 little snippet of information. Of course it doesn’t fit the time line. Because FM is in charge of that

 

[BFew]

Has the below been discussed in here since it was publisjed on Friday?

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/threat-made-after-william-tyrrell-vanished/news-story/b2f63765c49137efc741ee9ded9661dd

'‘Threat’ made after William Tyrrell vanished'​

'November 1, 2024 - 12:53PM​

...
A woman received an “anonymous threat” urging her to have an alibi for her partner for the morning William Tyrrell went missing, according to a person who reported the claims to Crime Stoppers.
...'

 

[Underarrest_]

So, did she ever give them actual breakfast? Did anyone bother checking the kitchen for food remains?

Yes, and any egg shells after the big breakfast.