Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[31550]

I really hope and pray there is actually new evidence because I’ve been feeling pretty hopeless about this whole case.

At least they are finally examining the timing and circumstances of the drive. I have always believed that held the key to the case.

 

[truecrimepath]

Omg. Thank you Lord.

Looks to me that Craddock is throwing the police theory under a bus in his opening statement.

 

[shorsky]

From the News.com.au / NewsWire link:

"The witness list for Monday includes Professor Jon Olley, Senior Constable Jost Preis and Dr Jennifer Menzies. ...

The court was told the police believed that William died in an accidental fall and his foster mother disposed of his body in nearby bushland at the corner of Batar Creek Rd and Cobb and Co Rd.

Counsel assisting Gerard Craddock SC told the court that according to the police theory, the foster mother then returned to her mother’s home at Benaroon Drive and phoned triple-0."

Professor Jon Olley is a hydrologist. He was involved in the ‘big dig’, and also in finding Daniel Morcombe’s remains.
I think Snr Const Preis was at the early stages of the inquest, I think he’d some sort of ‘mapping’ specialist, socould have also been involved in the ‘big dig’.
Dr Jennifer Menzies is a Forensic Anthropologist.

No need imo for Laidlaw to be present now I see all these people will be providing evidence . After all they do all the work - while Laidlaw has a pile on his desk he can’t jump over is my understanding !

 

[Wallace52]

Looks to me that Craddock is throwing the police theory under a bus in his opening statement.

Predictable, no?

 

[js47]

I feel Craddock is protecting himself.
What am I missing?

 

[Wallace52]

Do I win a prize? I said the truck driver was the new witness back in December 2021.

Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...interfere-with-a-corpse.1089352/post-73265801

Justice and truth is the prize at the end of the day.

 

[Lady O]

Do I win a prize? I said the truck driver was the new witness back in December 2021.

Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...interfere-with-a-corpse.1089352/post-73265801

Only if there is actual evidence.

Let's face it, all the theories that have been thrown around over the past 10 years, someone had to get it right!!

 

[stormbird]

Sydney Morning Herald, 04 Nov 2024

Tyrrell foster mother theory presented to coroner, but court reminded ‘guesses are not rational’

A police theory that three-year-old William Tyrrell died after accidentally falling from a balcony at his foster grandmother’s home will be probed at the coronial inquest in Sydney.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Kurve]

So what did the truck driver say that could have suspended a Coroner's inquiry and sent hundreds of cops and specialists in to Kendal with shovels and earth moving machinery?

 

[Kurve]

I mean, that they found the truck driver backs up the FMs statement that he was there. Unless, the truck driver can be timed at the corner of Batar Creek Road much earlier than the FM said she saw him.

They found the truck driver through his mobile phone and pinpointed him on that road earlier?

 

[Awakening]

Justice and truth is the prize at the end of the day.

I was going to say the prize would be that they’ve found William and will arrest the person responsible.

 

[stormbird]

Sydney Morning Herald, 04 Nov 2024

Tyrrell foster mother theory presented to coroner, but court reminded ‘guesses are not rational’

A police theory that three-year-old William Tyrrell died after accidentally falling from a balcony at his foster grandmother’s home will be probed at the coronial inquest in Sydney.

www.smh.com.au

From the Sydney Morning Herald link:

"A truck driver who said he saw the foster mother driving the foster grandmother’s Mazda along the road where police suspect Tyrrell’s body was dumped the morning of his disappearance will give evidence.

The court will also hear from Professor Jon Olley and Senior Constable Jost Preis, who will discuss the search efforts; Dr Jennifer Menzies, who will provide evidence on the breakdown of human bones in bushland; and experts on the use of cadaver dogs deployed in the search.

A video of the foster mother’s evidence to the NSW Crime Commission about hitting a different foster child with a wooden spoon will also be presented.

A 2022 police interview recording with another child in the home will also be played in closed court, along with a video of the child showing police where she last saw Tyrrell. ...

Convicted sex offender Frank Abbott, who was investigated over Tyrrell’s disappearance and subsequently charged with unrelated child sex offences, was present via video link from Long Bay prison but will not give evidence.

Tyrrell’s foster and biological parents cannot be identified for legal reasons."

 

[Wallace52]

I was going to say the prize would be that they’ve found William and will arrest the person responsible.

That’s what I meant to say.

 

[Wallace52]

Tyrrell’s foster and biological parents cannot be identified for legal reasons."

Yeah unless you’re making the Witness podcast and then it’s fine to identify the bios.
Despite the suppression orders.

 

[stormbird]

Daily Mail Australia, 04 Nov 2024

Expert combed through rubbish dump hunting for William Tyrrell's body

An inquest, which began in 2019 but has been beset by protracted delays has now entered its final block of hearings, which will be held this week, and over two weeks just before Christmas .

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Kurve]

Yeah unless you’re making the Witness podcast and then it’s fine to identify the bios.
Despite the suppression orders.

That podcast has some obvious bias, it's difficult for me to trust it.

 

[Kurve]

Okay, only one car trip. That might work too.

'The theory... police assert is that she must have quickly resolved that if the accidental death of William was discovered she might lose 'Lindsay'.'

Lindsay - not her real name, which can't be revealed for legal reasons - was another foster child in the care of the foster mother at that time, who also can't be named.

'Police assert that in that frame of mind, [the foster mother] placed William in her mother's car,' said Mr Craddock.

'After alerting [a neighbour] to William's disappearance, [she] drove her mother's car to Batar Creek Road and placed William's body somewhere in the undergrowth.'

Mr Craddock told the hearing on Monday that the foster mother had no recollection of the precise time she drove her mother's car from the house after the boy vanished on the morning of September 12, 2014.

King Felipe snaps at local after mud attack while seeing flood victims

Spain's King Felipe has been seen snapping at Valencian locals who threw mud and him and his wife as they visited the region in the wake of devastating floods that have so far killed 217.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[truecrimepath]

I feel Craddock is protecting himself.
What am I missing?

I agree. The opening statement is the biggest 'hedge my bet'.

 

[stormbird]

Okay, only one car trip. That might work too.

'The theory... police assert is that she must have quickly resolved that if the accidental death of William was discovered she might lose 'Lindsay'.'

Lindsay - not her real name, which can't be revealed for legal reasons - was another foster child in the care of the foster mother at that time, who also can't be named.

'Police assert that in that frame of mind, [the foster mother] placed William in her mother's car,' said Mr Craddock.

'After alerting [a neighbour] to William's disappearance, [she] drove her mother's car to Batar Creek Road and placed William's body somewhere in the undergrowth.'

Mr Craddock told the hearing on Monday that the foster mother had no recollection of the precise time she drove her mother's car from the house after the boy vanished on the morning of September 12, 2014.

King Felipe snaps at local after mud attack while seeing flood victims

Spain's King Felipe has been seen snapping at Valencian locals who threw mud and him and his wife as they visited the region in the wake of devastating floods that have so far killed 217.

www.dailymail.co.uk

But if the other times are roughly correct (FF home about 10:33 am, FM meets AMS about 10:40) and FM is back at the house to call triple-0 at 10:56, that only leaves about 10 minutes for the drive down and back.

 

[Kurve]

But if the other times are roughly correct (FF home about 10:33 am, FM meets AMS about 10:40) and FM is back at the house to call triple-0 at 10:56, that only leaves about 10 minutes for the drive down and back.

I think she could have done it in ten minutes.

 

[Wallace52]

But if the other times are roughly correct (FF home about 10:33 am, FM meets AMS about 10:40) and FM is back at the house to call triple-0 at 10:56, that only leaves about 10 minutes for the drive down and back.

He would have weighed about 15, maybe 16 kilos. She’s been carrying him around since he was an infant. She’s strong enough to place him in a car, and carry him out of the car and dump him in the bush.
Did she have time to take his costume off? I recon she’s done that too.

She has poorly chosen the location, but she didn’t have much time.

 

[stormbird]

Daily Mail Australia, 04 Nov 2024

Expert combed through rubbish dump hunting for William Tyrrell's body

An inquest, which began in 2019 but has been beset by protracted delays has now entered its final block of hearings, which will be held this week, and over two weeks just before Christmas .

www.dailymail.co.uk

From the Daily Mail Australia link, adding to the bits Kurve has already mentioned:

"Both William's biological father and his foster parents are attending the hearings, as are detectives from Strike Force Rosann, and its boss Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw."

 

[Angry Red Bull]

But if the other times are roughly correct (FF home about 10:33 am, FM meets AMS about 10:40) and FM is back at the house to call triple-0 at 10:56, that only leaves about 10 minutes for the drive down and back.

Yes. If it was for hiding W's body, then logically you wouldn't be doing that after the search had started. So imo between 10.10 ( warm bonnet) and 10.33 for the drive.

 

[Wallace52]

Yes. If it was for hiding W's body, then logically you wouldn't be doing that after the search had started. So imo between 10.10 ( warm bonnet) and 10.33 for the drive.

She’s cut it very, very fine.

What did she do between 9:37am and 10:10am?

 

[alwaysintrigued]

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/latest-police-theory-on-william-tyrrell-to-be-probed-at-inquest/news-story/ac979d8793006e331d0edcded394a532

Police have still gathered no forensic evidence explaining how William Tyrrell went missing 10 years ago, the long-running inquest into the toddler’s disappearance was told as it resumed.

Gerard Craddock SC, the Counsel Assisting the Coroner, said a statement from the lead investigator on the case Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw had been heavily redacted as it was “in the form of one person’s opinions about what evidence shows”.