Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[js47]

Right. Frank Abbott had no licence and claimed he didn't drive. But he did.

PS in fairness to the cops, if someone doesn't have a licence or a registered vehicle how the heck are the cops supposed to identify them or their vehicle?

Because the cops in a small town know everyone and their cars and qualifications because they are usually repeat offenders. Just like they know who are the local cooks, dealers and users etc.

 

[js47]

there were over 1,700 persons of interest in the case. Of those, 732 were deemed low risk, while there were 79 outstanding names requiring analysis.

Given the volume of names, Ross said the team used government data to eliminate people without cars registered in their names and those without a licence.

They already had their names. There’s plenty of ways to check on a person, their address and whereabouts.

Just ask the local cops

 

[js47]

If he saw her at a time and place which is inconsistent with her account of where and when she searched for William then it is highly significant.

Thanks!

 

[js47]

How thorough was the FGM’s house searched on the 12th by the pol.
Was it just a walk through?
FF was missing the next morning. When was he found on the second time at the fire trail? The one the pol told him not to go there?
In his walk through he was looking to see if a shoe had been lost by William.
Has FF been considered a POI in moving a corpse.
The fire trail leads to CH river.

 

[js47]

How thorough was the FGM’s house searched on the 12th by the pol.
Was it just a walk through?
FF was missing the next morning. When was he found on the second time at the fire trail? The one the pol told him not to go there?
In his walk through he was looking to see if a shoe had been lost by William.
Has FF been considered a POI in moving a corpse.
The fire trail leads to CH river.

 

[Underarrest_]

So because a truck driver saw FM the new witness there was millions spent on a big search? Am I missing something?

The police said at the court case that they believe FM knows where William’s remains are.
If the truck driver has confirmed where he saw her, this is probably where they dug.
They haven’t found William which goes back to police saying they believe FM knows where William’s remains are.
IMO.

 

[js47]

I think there is some where in the house William would not be found

FF was seen coming out of the bathroom where he had vomited.
What if he saw William’s injuries?

A long shot but it is a good spot.

I will say it again

The FGP’S lived in PNG he was an engineer he would have had a safe somewhere that could not be found.

This could give them 12 hours or so till the middle of the night.

 

[js47]

Does any one know if FGF died at home?
If so then traces of cadaverine would still be present in the house.
Any traces of blood if some one had a shower or washed their hands?

 

[shorsky]

There was a statement from police that they believed she threw something out the car window.

Then there is FMs own statement that she had her head out the window looking for William and the truck driver mistakenly believed she was waving at him.

She’s already on the front foot discrediting the truck driver.

She only mentions the truck driver once - in the walk through interview - and never mentions the encounter again.

Which strikes me as very odd because for all she knew, he had picked up William along the very road she was looking for him on.

There was these detailed descriptions of the two vehicles but no details on the truck driver or appeals by the FM for him to come forward.

My guess is that the truck driver saw something fairly suspicious for it to grab his attention. When you are on the road a lot you seen random things fairly frequently.

‘Waving’ - is there a similar arm movement to ‘ throwing’ involved ?

 

[shorsky]

I worked with the expert witness who proved that it was not foetal haemoglobin. She was an expert in Haemoglobin. Her name was Pat Fleming. She was a Senior Scientist at Westmead. She was also a Seventh Day Adventist like Lindy and Michael Chamberlain. I discussed in detail with her the problems with the evidence. I don't think she identified it as paint though.

Was it rust proofing ?

 

[shorsky]

Didn't we read that the car the Crabbes heard has never been identified?

I thought we heard it was confirmed that the post lady did a much earlier trip that day, so what they heard could not have been the postie.

I believe there was also some discussion between Mr & Mrs Crabbe re the time the heard the vehicle, as each had a different opinion.

 

[Wallace52]

‘Waving’ - is there a similar arm movement to ‘ throwing’ involved ?

Waving/throwing/chucking shoes; it’s all just semantics isn’t it…

 

[Wallace52]

Just came across this clip of Box and N Young furiously editing out the bio father and bio mothers names from their podcast now that he’s been reminded of the NPO protecting their identities.

 

[shorsky]

The truck driver is likely to just say he saw her

2 days in and there’s no new information & no hard questions asked, afaik.

Craddock started off yesterday saying that a thorough & methodical investigation had been carried out and there was no sign of William .

They present the Police ‘theory’ that has nothing to support it so in fact it’s nothing but ‘words’.

Today the Coroner stops proceeding to remind everyone "I pause to say there is actually no evidence that anyone has been seen placing a body here or anywhere else," she said.

The ‘experts’ so far giving evidence have provided nothing worthwhile. … other than perhaps leading to the discounting of any theory that William was in the ‘dig’ area.

I’m starting to think it’s all a waste of time, and a waste of more tax payer $.

Poor little William.

 

[Wallace52]

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother abused outside court after police allege she may have buried toddler

Counsel assisting warns ‘fairness is deserved by all’ after inquest hears foster mother may have disposed of three-year-old’s body following accidental death in 2014

www.theguardian.com

Sgt Robyn Ross, the only data analyst on the strike force Rosann team over the past four years, told the court on Tuesday that by August 2024 there were over 1,700 persons of interest in the case. Of those, 732 were deemed low risk, while there were 79 outstanding names requiring analysis.

Given the volume of names, Ross said the team used government data to eliminate people without cars registered in their names and those without a licence.

The people who were without cars registered in their names and those without a licence were only eliminated from one list…. Which was the list of people who were able to be linked to cars…. They were not eliminated as such, they were moved to another list, Sgt Robyn Ross explained that she most certainly realised that people could be driving without a licence, or driving someone else’s car.

 

[stormbird]

But you would think this person would come forward.

"Paul S said he saw or heard a noisy 4WD go that way earlier in the week."

Really! Just a thought..... Could FF have visited the area in his new 4WD in the weeks before? Could be up and back in a day. (Not necessarily the car PS saw.) Have a bit of a drive through the state forest to find a nice quiet spot that is good for digging.

Why would the person come forward, though, LRitz? As far as I know, no one was looking for them, and presumably they hadn't done anything wrong. My point was just that Paul S at No.43 claimed to have seen them earlier in the week, which means that it was possible at that time for a 4WD to use the fire trail.

Paul also claimed to have seen a Land Rover Freelander visiting FGM's on the Thursday afternoon. Just my opinion, I wonder if he was actually remembering the fosters' Land Rover Discovery early the next morning as he went past FGM's on his walk. But is that what your suggestion about an FF daytrip is referring to?

From News.com.au, 20 Aug 2019:

'On the day before William vanished, Mr Savage had seen a car he had not seen before or since “roar” up the street towards the fire trail.

He described it in a statement to police soon afterwards as a “dull red-coloured Nissan Patrol wagon, a 90s model with a square type build”.

In the late afternoon of that day, Mr Savage also saw a vehicle he believed to be a Land Rover Freelander visit the home of William’s foster grandmother.'

 

[Wallace52]

Why would the person come forward, though, LRitz? As far as I know, no one was looking for them, and presumably they hadn't done anything wrong. My point was just that Paul S at No.43 claimed to have seen them earlier in the week, which means that it was possible at that time for a 4WD to use the fire trail.

Paul also claimed to have seen a Land Rover Freelander visiting FGM's on the Thursday afternoon. Just my opinion, I wonder if he was actually remembering the fosters' Land Rover Discovery early the next morning as he went past FGM's on his walk. But is that what your suggestion about an FF daytrip is referring to?

From News.com.au, 20 Aug 2019:

'On the day before William vanished, Mr Savage had seen a car he had not seen before or since “roar” up the street towards the fire trail.

He described it in a statement to police soon afterwards as a “dull red-coloured Nissan Patrol wagon, a 90s model with a square type build”.

In the late afternoon of that day, Mr Savage also saw a vehicle he believed to be a Land Rover Freelander visit the home of William’s foster grandmother.'

Maybe the Freelander was driven by the FGM boyfriend?

And before we get weird about the idea - us oldies like you have some companionship too!

 

[stormbird]

I find it amazing that people recall 10.05 did they look at there watches and say, “oh look at that it is 10.05”
No you would say it was about 10 bla bla bla.

The times given in the article on Monday were even stranger, IMO, and I wondered what they were based on:

"It was determined the car was heard by the Crabbes about 10.08am to 10.13am, which was around the time William was meant to have disappeared."
- News.com.au, 04 Nov 2024

 

[stormbird]

Maybe the Freelander was driven by the FGM boyfriend?

And before we get weird about the idea - us oldies like you have some companionship too!

Maybe the Freelander was driven by anyone whatsoever. Is there a reason you want to introduce the idea of a boyfriend for FGM or your own advanced age?

 

[stormbird]

How thorough was the FGM’s house searched on the 12th by the pol.
Was it just a walk through?
FF was missing the next morning. When was he found on the second time at the fire trail? The one the pol told him not to go there?
In his walk through he was looking to see if a shoe had been lost by William.
Has FF been considered a POI in moving a corpse.
The fire trail leads to CH river.

"The fire trail leads to CH river." How?! You may as well say the Hume Highway leads to Darwin. They'll both get you on the road, but not in the right direction.

 

[BFew]

The reported inquest agenda for today (Wednesday)

1. Truck Driver
2. (Closed Court) witnesses electronically recorded interviews*2
3. Foster Mother evidence to NSW CC evidence replayed.

Truckie offers no leads on missing toddler's location

A truckie has told a court about the cars he saw when William Tyrrell disappeared, but his evidence...

www.canberratimes.com.au

'Truckie to testify as William Tyrrell probe continues'​

'Updated November 6 2024 - 3:31am, first published 3:30am
...
As the inquest continues on Wednesday, a truck driver who passed through the neighbourhood on the day the toddler vanished is expected to give evidence of what he did at the time and who he encountered.

The inquest will then view two electronically recorded interviews by police of another key witness, who cannot be named or identified, in 2014 and again in 2022.

This will occur in a closed court session.

Footage of the foster mother giving evidence before the NSW Crime Commission will also be played before the inquest comes to a close.
...'

 

[js47]

"The fire trail leads to CH river." How?! You may as well say the Hume Highway leads to Darwin. They'll both get you on the road, but not in the right direction.

Yes but you could have taken William there. The FM knows a place the pol don’t know about

 

[js47]

Today will be a lot to get through so it does not look as though the truck driver has a lot to say.
Something like…’ I drove a long BCR I saw a lady waving at Cobb kept going at (?)’.

 

[js47]

I think BF post will continue on into the future. Nothing will be achieved with this.
I was reading back through some posts FM went into great detail about time of tea 10am tea has to steep 2 inches left in cup but when SC Rowley asked her who was at home she said she vaguely thinks her Mother and L.
Mmmmm! She thinks her ‘son’ has been abducted but is not quite sure where L is?
Dep. Coroner really give some thought into her answers. No time for weak tea. Let it steep.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Fact: FM said she drove to riding school and saw truck
Fact: that driver has come forward & will give evidence
Fact: the LE theory even now was W was placed at Cobb & co
Fact: there is no forensic evidence nor cadaver indications at that site
Fact: head injuries can cause immediate death but so too slow death from bleeding/ swelling

Speculation: the LE theory could be explained IF W was placed at the site whilst still in coma and was moved soon after also in coma