Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Earls Smother]

You can not just assume that Spedding delivered parts on Thursday 11 September to FGM house in Benaroon drive. This is wrong. It is more likely definitely not Spedding, IMO.

I think you misread the information. It is talking about parts delivered to Spedding at his house. No mention of Spedding driving to Benaroon drive. The "other parts" are also delivered to Spedding's house. Read it again.

" ...Parts delivered to BS house for FGM washing machine ( other parts delivered Thus 11/11/14 )....."

FGM walkthrough says what she did on Thursday. Community Centre, Shopping and home in the afternoon.
No mention of Spedding. She says she's awaiting parts. Why would he drop of parts if he couldn't fix the machine and make two trips.

Savage said he saw a car (I think has previously mentioned ) was a Land Rover. This is not a repair van of Spedding. Savage could be correct, possible . It is possible a 4WD was at FGM's house on the Thursday 11 September. But it was not Spedding. FF has a LandRover.

Yes I apologise too. I just followed on from Underarrest's post.

The date Thursday 11/11 is wrong (it doesn't exist), so I assume it meant Thursday 11/9. But yes, to Spedding's house, not Benaroon.

 

[Lady O]

FA?

Abbott.

 

[shorsky]

Are you suggesting where FA said there was a smell?

Was that around Logan’s Crossing ? Opposite direction from Benaroon to Cobb & Co. ( turn L into Batar Creek Rd) but still only a short drive ??

 

[Earls Smother]

Bizarre connection between William Tyrrell handyman, paedophile

A handyman who worked on the home little boy William Tyrrell disappeared from claims a convicted paedophile who lived in his caravan spoke of smelling 'death' in bushland.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think there was questions about this as GO couldn’t remember. Not sure if it was later confirmed.

So GO rings the house at 48 Benaroon at 9:10, gets no answer. He's been fixing their deck.

GO hangs around with Paedophiles.

GO says he was at the Community Centre, then later changes to "I have Parkinsons, I can't remember"

Foster's lawyer questions him at inquest but he can't remember.

Isn't possible because he got no answer he drove around there to either see if they were home, or check something for the job?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Are you suggesting where FA said there was a smell?

No. I looked at that. It's across town

 

[Angry Red Bull]

So GO rings the house at 48 Benaroon at 9:10, gets no answer. He's been fixing their deck.

GO hangs around with Paedophiles.

GO says he was at the Community Centre, then later changes to "I have Parkinsons, I can't remember"

Foster's lawyer questions him at inquest but he can't remember.

Isn't possible because he got no answer he drove around there to either see if they were home, or check something for the job?

Yes we've discussed all this including the fact that because he had employed FA for a short while he may have rang to advise FA was being sent to check job needs.

FA of course repeatedly implicated GO for the abduction..was that a veiled threat to keep quiet about what the two know about thane call?.

 

[Lady O]

Yes we've discussed all this including the fact that because he had employed FA for a short while he may have rang to advise FA was being sent to check job needs.

FA of course repeatedly implicated GO for the abduction..was that a veiled threat to keep quiet about what the two know about thane call?.

Nah, I don't believe GO would have trusted FA to organise materials for a job. Anyway FA didn't have a vehicle (unless he drove GO's) or a license. GO was using his vehicle that morning to go to Kendall and pay for his advert in the Chronicle.

 

[pinkjellybean]

Hi all. Long time follower of this thread but first time poster here.

In Candace Sutton's article below there is a specific reference to William actually putting his shoes back on:

"Jubelin told her in the interview that the 9.37am photo was 'the last confirmed sighting of William'.

The foster mother said it was after this that William had become bored playing with dice on the verandah and had put his shoes back on and 'jumped down off this deck'.

He was running around in front of us and I remember [the foster grandmother] saying, "Do you think he's got ADD?" and I'm like, "No, he's just excited,"' * FM said.

It was after this that William vanished; however, Jubelin quizzed her about her previous account of events."

This could be inaccurate of course but interesting all the same given WT is barefoot in the verandah photos with his sandals visible in the background, but the FM did not mention him wearing them in the 000 call or in her statement to police.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-account-missing-toddlers-morning-alive.html

 

[Underarrest_]

So GO rings the house at 48 Benaroon at 9:10, gets no answer. He's been fixing their deck.

GO hangs around with Paedophiles.

GO says he was at the Community Centre, then later changes to "I have Parkinsons, I can't remember"

Foster's lawyer questions him at inquest but he can't remember.

Isn't possible because he got no answer he drove around there to either see if they were home, or check something for the job?

Very strange.
Could FA have been mentioning the smell to GO because he knew what had happened?
GO (in his interview) seemed to want FA in the frame.
Hopefully police have checked this out
and if GO was at the community centre.

 

[InTheBleachers]

Do we know what car Owen drove?

At the inquest he said he drove a Mazda 626.

 

[InTheBleachers]

Do we know the exact locations of the searches or could some have been Kept out of the media.

Three areas ... the garden bed under the balcony, the concrete slab in the garage under the house, and the Batar Creek Road area.

 

[Wallace52]

Three areas ... the garden bed under the balcony, the concrete slab in the garage under the house, and the Batar Creek Road area.

Thank you.

I recall the AFP brought in their ground penetrating radar for the concrete slab, right?

Do you know: Did they take that mound of dirt out from under the house? I’ve seen a sniffer dog going over the dirt but I wasn’t sure if the dirt had been removed and sifted through and if the ground under the dirt had been checked.

The underneath of 48 Benaroon Drive is just so, so creepy.

 

[Wallace52]

Are you suggesting where FA said there was a smell?

Might need to put Frank Abbott on the sticky? Kurve

 

[CodyRose]

If where’s the suit

 

[InTheBleachers]

Thank you. Did they take that mound of dirt out from under the house?

My understanding, from real estate photos, is that the garage had been fully concreted over by one of the next owners and there was no mound of dirt there any more. I don't know if the mound had been spread across the floor, and then it was concreted. It was searched with ground penetrating radar in the 2021 search.

Thank you for your politeness this time. It is appreciated.


Detectives are using ground-penetrating radar to examine a slab of concrete at William Tyrrell's foster grandmother's home in the search for the missing boy's remains.

Ground-penetrating radar used on concrete slab in search for William Tyrrell

www.9news.com.au

 

[Wallace52]

If where’s the suit

Cut up and put in the trash
Burned
Moved overseas on a work trip and binned

Is just a guess.

No way that suit would have been sold second hand to anyone or passed down to a cousin or nephew.

 

[Wallace52]

Thank you for your politeness this time. It is appreciated.

I’m so sorry if I was rude.

 

[Wallace52]

My understanding, from real estate photos, is that the garage had been fully concreted over by one of the next owners and there was no mound of dirt there any more. I don't know if the mound had been spread across the floor, and then it was concreted. It was searched with ground penetrating radar in the 2021 search.

Thank you for your politeness this time. It is appreciated.


Detectives are using ground-penetrating radar to examine a slab of concrete at William Tyrrell's foster grandmother's home in the search for the missing boy's remains.

Ground-penetrating radar used on concrete slab in search for William Tyrrell

www.9news.com.au

I know some rural and semi-rural houses, cottages and properties are a bit weird, and that’s just a general sweeping statement but if you’ve ever lived in the country there’s a lot of weird stuff you’ll see on or in people’s properties.

Having said that: I do wonder what was the original purpose of the mound of dirt being underneath that house?

Like who would have a big mound of dirt there at the bottom of their house, and is it possible William was hidden in that dirt for a day or so before he was then moved?

I wonder if FM’s car trip was to dispose of the shoes and then the body was taken elsewhere the next day…..

There must be a reason that police were looking at the garage floor.

 

[Wallace52]

Oh goodness. Was the renewal application heard by Magistrate Dene do you know and the application requested the 5 year extension?

Thankyou.

The application was made by police, and I think it was heard by Magistrate S McIntyre but I may be wrong about the magistrate…..the AVO application was heard in a closed court as far as I know, as the “protected person” is a child.

<The AVO is part of the sticky on this thread.>

I do not know how many years the police requested the AVO to go for, but I do know that the 5 year AVO was granted.

So the child in need of protection was 11 in 2021.

Then 12 in 2022.

Then 13 in 2023.

Then 14 in 2024.

They will be maybe 19 years of age when this 5 year AVO expires and then who knows, maybe police will request another one be in place at that time.

IMO

Have a look at this info about AVO’s in NSW:

AVOs are orders that a court makes to protect people. AVOs protect people by ordering a person known as the 'defendant' not to assault, molest, harass, intimidate or stalk the protected person for a specific period of time.

AVOs can also have additional orders. For example, orders can be made which prohibit the defendant from contacting the protected person, going within a certain distance of the protected person's home or work, and destroying or damaging the protected person's property. Read more about AVOs on the LawAccess NSW AVO pages

- external site

launch.

AVOs do not give defendants a criminal record.

The defendant is not allowed to keep any firearms, or to hold a firearms licence for 10 years after the AVO ends, unless the AVO is cancelled by the court. If you are a defendant and have a firearms licence, or any firearms, you must immediately surrender them to the police.





https://localcourt.nsw.gov.au/types-of-cases/apprehended-violence-orders--avos-.html#:~:text=AVOs are orders that a,can also have additional orders.

 

[pinkjellybean]

Yes so that’s what Dan Box also referenced in his Witness podcast: he said that the FM said William put his shoes on before vanishing.

To add: I purchased similar shoes to the ones that William had on that day for my 3 year old grand child for Christmas (fantastic shoes for swimming lessons and beach play) and gave them to my 3 year old grand child. 3 months later I did this experiment with him and he did not remember to put his own shoes on before playing, even when prompted twice. I had to remember for him and put them on for him, because he was just content to run off with no shoes on.

IMHO / There’s no way that William put his own shoes on before going missing. Zero possibility that this happened. His gross and fine motor skills and speech and language skills would have absolutely prevented him from being able to follow this instruction and undertaken this task independently.

Agree. With the "roaring game" starting on the verandah, it seems highly unlikely William would stop to put shoes on before jumping down onto the grass to continue the game. Even if he was physically able to put them on, I just don't think the thought would even have entered his head.

 

[CodyRose]

Yes, that’s absolutely right.

And we know she did go for a drive before the police arrived because she has said in her police interview that she went for a drive and also the arriving officer felt the bonnet was warm when he put his hand on it.

So there was a drive, but we don’t know:

*Where or
*When

Maybe she drove further out and disposed of William’s body in a clearing.

Or maybe she is innocent.

If there is an
Open fnding by the coroner are all POI’s still suspects until the day they die?

 

[Wallace52]

If there is an
Open fnding by the coroner are all POI’s still suspects until the day they die?

No idea!

I don’t even know how many persons of interest the police currently have in this case.

Wasn’t there an NSWPOL analyst called to give evidence at the inquest recently, and that person discussed the POI list and some processes around that?

 

[Lady O]

I know some rural and semi-rural houses, cottages and properties are a bit weird, and that’s just a general sweeping statement but if you’ve ever lived in the country there’s a lot of weird stuff you’ll see on or in people’s properties.

Having said that: I do wonder what was the original purpose of the mound of dirt being underneath that house?

Like who would have a big mound of dirt there at the bottom of their house, and is it possible William was hidden in that dirt for a day or so before he was then moved?

I wonder if FM’s car trip was to dispose of the shoes and then the body was taken elsewhere the next day…..

There must be a reason that police were looking at the garage floor.

The dirt would have been from digging the foundations into the slope.

 

[Wallace52]

The dirt would have been from digging the foundations into the slope.

Oh, very well.

But the development application for 48 Benaroon drive was lodged circa 2005 and the dirt was still there in 2014, so like, get organised guys and get rid of your dirt!!

It looked so dodgy.

 

[Lady O]

Oh, very well.

But the development application for 48 Benaroon drive was lodged circa 2005 and the dirt was still there in 2014, so like, get organised guys and get rid of your dirt!!

It looked so dodgy.

No reason to take it out unless you want to use the space under.