Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[js47]

Thank you.

Surely Police checked GO & FGM phone records to see if there was communication with someone at #48 on the Thursday . .. and if so, who did he speak with ?

I do find it interesting that someone other than FGM supposedly answered a GO phone call, and PS said he saw a car in the driveway.

Was GO questioned aboit this at the earlier inquest or was his statement just accepted ?

Also! FGM did a trip to Laurieton on Thursday didn’t she? That would take a while the drive etc. was some one there when she was not there?

 

[Underarrest_]

The way I read it the fosters with court docs etc can apply so they would be the holders.
Or they can delegate the agency to apply.
But! it is only my interpretation.

The agency responsible for a child (under the state) can authorise a carer, caseworker or org to apply.

 

[Awakening]

Can the black camry and the blonde woman be linked to the group in Taree?
Was the op shop stop to pick up boys clothes, etc?

I don’t tend to kidnap kids but if I did, I wouldn’t be popping into the op shop on the day of the kidnapping to purchase clothes for my victim.

 

[Awakening]

The 5 released photos from that day were taken within seconds of each other, and I dare say any others (at least of William) that have not been made public were taken just as quickly.

From my reasonable extensive experience of healthy little boys who have just turned 3, it’s impossible to keep them still for even 5 minutes - unless engrossed in something they really enjoy doing, eating ice cream perhaps, or heavily bribed with an enticing reward (that would need to appear pretty quickly )

My take on the iconic Roar photo was that William was really sick of being cooped up on that patio with nothing fun to play with, and that was him communicating the fact.

That’s why I think it’s very possible something could have happened to him as soon as 9:38.

I can just imagine “one more photo” and then a 3 yo boy tearing off once he was free.

 

[Awakening]

As it so happens in 2014 I had to get passports for my then 5 and 2 year old boys and ain’t any chance you are getting away with a cropped selfie.

I still remember the nightmare of trying to get them to look where the Aus post photographer wanted them to look, with no smiling, no movement.

Even the lightening and background is strictly enforced.

 

[31550]

As it so happens in 2014 I had to get passports for my then 5 and 2 year old boys and ain’t any chance you are getting away with a cropped selfie.

I still remember the nightmare of trying to get them to look where the Aus post photographer wanted them to look, with no smiling, no movement.

Even the lightening and background is strictly enforced.

Finally a voice of reason.

Getting a passport is a nontrivial exercise. Especially for a kid.
Not to mention the logistics involved in getting a kid out of the country unnoticed.
How many people would be involved that would need to keep quiet or be paid off?
None of them want the $1M reward?
And why? What's the motivation?
This discussion has jumped the shark again.

 

[Wallace52]

Does anyone know how many sisters FM has ?

She picked one up from airport a day after (?) William went missing.

If ‘another daughter’ was there on the Thursday, perhaps she drove FGM around on her errands.

One sister for the FM.

 

[Wallace52]

Finally a voice of reason.

Getting a passport is a nontrivial exercise. Especially for a kid.
Not to mention the logistics involved in getting a kid out of the country unnoticed.
How many people would be involved that would need to keep quiet or be paid off?
None of them want the $1M reward?
And why? What's the motivation?
This discussion has jumped the shark again.

He already had a passport. Before he went missing!

What do we think, he travelled to Bali in 2014 on his Medicare card? On his library pass? No. He had a passport.

 

[31550]

He already had a passport. Before he went missing!

What do we think, he travelled to Bali in 2014 on his Medicare card? On his library pass? No. He had a passport.

And if he travelled (officially) on that passport there would be immigration records, vis a stamps etc. easily checked and verified.
If he travelled 'unofficially' e.g. on a fishing boat or private plane/private airfield he wouldn't need any sort of passport.

 

[Wallace52]

If the car was sold to some one in Gymear (not sure of spelling) but know it is south Sydney some where did Fosters keep it after Gran died? Mmm

Gymea and it was owned by FM niece at the time when it was seized.

 

[Wallace52]

And if he travelled (officially) on that passport there would be immigration records, vis a stamps etc. easily checked and verified.
If he travelled 'unofficially' e.g. on a fishing boat or private plane/private airfield he wouldn't need any sort of passport.

Did anyone bother to do a passport check at Sydney airport for 12 September 2014?

 

[31550]

Gymea and it was owned by FM niece at the time when it was seized.

So if there is a niece, there is an extended family. Niece as in FGM's daughter's daughter? Or did FGM have a son, and a DIL, who had adult children? And did they live in northern NSW?

 

[Wallace52]

If you took a photo with a child could you copy that photo for a passport?

No.

 

[31550]

Did anyone bother to do a passport check at Sydney airport for 12 September 2014?

These records are permanent - easily checked by authorities.

 

[LRitz]

Maybe they were trying to treat his behaviour issues with diet?

Well some people would avoid too much sugar, and food colouring (Though I don't know if that has ever been proved).
But a healthy diet would not make you loose weight.
Calorie restriction causes weight loss. I don't think Willian had another diagnosis (Say coeliac) but this is also possible.

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.
She had so many children, she didn't know what to do.
She gave them some broth without any bread;
Then whipped them all soundly and put them to bed.

And then there is another line , that is not often included in the modern verse

Then out went th' old woman to bespeak 'em a coffin,
And when she came back, she found 'em all a-loffeing (a- laughing).

 

[Wallace52]

I don’t tend to kidnap kids but if I did, I wouldn’t be popping into the op shop on the day of the kidnapping to purchase clothes for my victim.

You’re boring lol

 

[Wallace52]

These records are permanent - easily checked by authorities.

How much faith do we have in law enforcement as it pertains to this case, at this point in time?

 

[31550]

How much faith do we have in law enforcement as it pertains to this case, at this point in time?

Well you got me there. But over ten years and three lead investigators, ... only would have taken one phone call to immigration to check if W's passport had any activity on it after 12 Sep 2014. Surely one of the cops on SFR got bored one day and decided to do some actual police work?

 

[Wallace52]

Well you got me there. But over ten years and three lead investigators, ... only would have taken one phone call to immigration to check if W's passport had any activity on it after 12 Sep 2014. Surely one of the cops on SFR got bored one day and decided to do some actual police work?

Doubt it, mate.

 

[31550]

What Taree group please?

The woman in clack camry refetred to by Peter the truck driver was likely the Kendall postie. She fitted the physical description and clothing as described fitted online photos of uniforms worn - black tshirt with black shorts - at Kendall PO. PO is very near opshop and she may have been doing a dropoff or pickup or just having a chat.

I think we can rule out the black camry and blonde woman now? Do we agree?

BTW postie was in Benaroon Drive at 8.45 on 12th. Jubelin stated the time.

Ah the postie!
Jubelin established the postie was there at 8:45?
So, did she deliver to FGM, Crabbs, Millers, Savage or AMS (sorry CBF typing the whole thing)?
Did she see any cars parked on Benaroon?
Did she see any kids riding bikes at FGMs?
Any vehicles in FGM driveway?
Anyone else on the street at all?

Why are the answers to these questions not in the public domain? They don't impinge on anyone's privacy.

 

[31550]

Really.
He looks stocky in your opinion. The bio mother may not agree. Never dismiss the Mother, that is what we were told.

He is not looking at the camera. There is no clear picture of his face on the previous photos. He is not drawing. He is just throwing crayons or leaves. He looks thin. He has dirty feet. He can not even smile.
He is not standing up and running around with all that energy. We can not tell if he can even stand at this time. Why does he have no energy. Is there a problem with William before 9:37? Just asking the question.

OK There's an elephant in the room when it comes to William's physical and mental state at the time of his disappearance. Nobody else seems to want to go there so, I'll just put this out there:

Behavioural indicators of physical child abuse​

In an infant or toddler:

• self-stimulatory behaviours, such as rocking or head banging
• crying excessively, or not at all
• listless and immobile, or emaciated and pale
• exhibits significant delays in gross motor development and coordination
• their parent or carer is unresponsive or impatient to child's cues and unreceptive to support.

Source

Identify signs of child abuse

Recognise the signs of child abuse, understand definitions, and know the physical and behavioural indicators.

www.vic.gov.au

 

[LRitz]

8.45am in Benaroon Drive. How long was she in Benaroon Dr for I wonder.

I also wonder why no one mentioned seeing the Postie - not even FM who is well versed in seeing cars and who I think may have said she was in the yard with William at that time, climbing a tree or something.

That time would’ve been very close to when FF left the house if he went past Tennis Courts at 9.49am ( clocked at 9.40 / reported 9 mins slow in those days )

I think you mean the Tennis court Cctv was around 8:49. And now the CCTV might have been even slower so could be even later.

At 8:45 FM alleges they are having breakfast. All the family. The FGM as well. (In the FGM walkthrough FGM is not there having breakfast until around 9:00 and the FF has left, but FGM walkthrough is not worth even mentioning in trying to make timeline). But needless to say, there is no proof what time they had breakfast, or if FF had coffee and toast.

The postie in Benaroon drive, if at 8:45 must be close to the alleged departure of the FF.
Sounds like she has been questioned over this. And we have not heard any evidence that she saw any car leaving FGM's house. So FF could have left after the postie was there. FF does not say he saw any cars in the street when he left. (that i am aware of). What would be of interest is if the postie said she saw any cars in the driveway of FGM's. But having no memory of a car would not prove anything.

 

[31550]

I think you mean the Tennis court Cctv was around 8:49. And now the CCTV might have been even slower so could be even later.

At 8:45 FM alleges they are having breakfast. All the family. The FGM as well. (In the FGM walkthrough FGM is not there having breakfast until around 9:00 and the FF has left, but FGM walkthrough is not worth even mentioning in trying to make timeline). But needless to say, there is no proof what time they had breakfast, or if FF had coffee and toast.

The postie in Benaroon drive, if at 8:45 must be close to the alleged departure of the FF.
Sounds like she has been questioned over this. And we have not heard any evidence that she saw any car leaving FGM's house. So FF could have left after the postie was there. FF does not say he saw any cars in the street when he left. (that i am aware of). What would be of interest is if the postie said she saw any cars in the driveway of FGM's. But having no memory of a car would not prove anything.

For the foster narrative to be true, the postie would need to have seen BOTH FGM and FF cars in the driveway at 48, and no other cars in the driveway. (If the 8:45 time is approximate, then FF car may have already left, or she may have passed him). She should have seen the cars that FM saw. She should probably have seen the kids riding bikes in the driveway if FF car was not there. When else could they have ridden bikes?
If there was an abductor scouting the house or planning to nab William she may have seen him/her and his/her vehicle.
It would take the postie a few minutes to go up and down Benaroon, so we are not just talking about a single instant in time - there is a window of a few minutes in which to observe people coming and going.

 

[Lady O]

Well some people would avoid too much sugar, and food colouring (Though I don't know if that has ever been proved).
But a healthy diet would not make you loose weight.
Calorie restriction causes weight loss. I don't think Willian had another diagnosis (Say coeliac) but this is also possible.

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.
She had so many children, she didn't know what to do.
She gave them some broth without any bread;
Then whipped them all soundly and put them to bed.

And then there is another line , that is not often included in the modern verse

Then out went th' old woman to bespeak 'em a coffin,
And when she came back, she found 'em all a-loffeing (a- laughing).

I know for ADHD some will restrict a lot of "foods" that are known/suspected of making the condition worse or not being generally good for health. You mention sugar, also food colourings, bread/yeast products, salt, eggs, cereal grains etc. Sometimes the list of foods that people don't eat gets so long, they have trouble getting enough and many children are fussy with food to begin with.

 

[Lady O]

Yeah I was just thinking the same thing! But the FM and FF wanted to renovate and sell their forever home in Sydney, and that may have been hard if their home became ground zero for a stranger abduction.

Easier if he goes missing in Kendall, because it didn’t impact the sale of the foster parents property in Sydney.

Something is up. Something doesn’t add up but I can’t put my finger on it.

Maybe it was a planned murder? Maybe the FF was more involved than I think , maybe it was the FGM that did something bad and the FM is covering for her mum.

Or maybe he was abducted by someone who worked for FACS or Young Hope?

There’s just something really off about this whole case.

You don't think the sale of the Kendall property was affected by WT going missing?