Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[31550]

If you remember, the Coroner was going to hand down her findings years ago but police said they had a new person of interest and were asked to gather evidence.

And you consider that an achievement?
I'd suggest it's the coroner's job to ensure all evidence relating to the case is gathered, and then hear that evidence and then consider that evidence, and come up with a finding, or continue to request further evidence and hear it and consider it until there is nothing left to gather, hear or consider.
The coroner was going off half-cocked five years ago because police had not even considered their current theory.
Now she doesn't even want to hear any evidence which might have been collected in the last few years.
I'm not convinced she has 'achieved' anything at all. and an open finding will confirm this.

 

[Underarrest_]

And you consider that an achievement?
I'd suggest it's the coroner's job to ensure all evidence relating to the case is gathered, and then hear that evidence and then consider that evidence, and come up with a finding, or continue to request further evidence and hear it and consider it until there is nothing left to gather, hear or consider.
The coroner was going off half-cocked five years ago because police had not even considered their current theory.
Now she doesn't even want to hear any evidence which might have been collected in the last few years.
I'm not convinced she has 'achieved' anything at all. and an open finding will confirm this.

I don’t know what evidence you’re speaking about that the Coroner hasn’t listened too.
As far as I’m aware the public aren’t aware of any new evidence.
I’m sure the Coroner knows of all evidence presented to the court.
If the Coroner makes an open finding its because this is what she can hand down with the relevant facts presented to the court. Not because the Coroner hasn’t done her job or achieved anything.

 

[passball]

Where did you read this?
I haven’t heard of this, only the spiderweb links to friends of the family in the area as on a current affair.

Sorry, meant to be BF.
The BM asked if he could search for William, called him Dad.

 

[Wallace52]

I don’t know what evidence you’re speaking about that the Coroner hasn’t listened too.
As far as I’m aware the public aren’t aware of any new evidence.
I’m sure the Coroner knows of all evidence presented to the court.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

There are not many people that know what went down between the Coroner and Laidlaw / the cops on William’s case in the last week, and you have no clue.

Some of what 31550 has said is right, and some of it is not, but his guess is just as good as yours at this point.

There might be members of the public who are in the know, and you would have no idea of who or why is informed of what, when.

You could be a hot shot journalist for all
we know, and even they don’t know what’s actually gone down, which is very evident from their shallow and vacuous yarns that have been published today.

They sound sensational but there’s really not much substance to them.

 

[Underarrest_]

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

There are not many people that know what went down between the Coroner and Laidlaw / the cops on William’s case in the last week, and you have no clue.

Some of what 31550 has said is right, and some of it is not, but his guess is just as good as yours at this point.

There might be members of the public who are in the know, and you would have no idea of who or why is informed of what, when.

You could be a hot shot journalist for all
we know, and even they don’t know what’s actually gone down, which is very evident from their shallow, narrow and vacuous yarns that have been published today.

They sound sensational but there’s really not much substance to them.

I do know that the Coroner will hand down her findings based on facts.
Maybe the Coroner has distanced herself from police because the public have the brief of evidence in their hands.
This is not helpful to any case. In fact it’s ludicrous. How can you allow Frank Abbot to speak at an inquest when he’s seen the evidence. How can FM speak at an inquest when we know Box and maybe Jubelin have seen the brief of evidence.
I think the Coroner needs some credit for being wise enough to not hear further evidence from people who might be giving answers to suit what they already know is in the brief.

 

[passball]

Is it time to let this case go?
10 years is a long time with no, or should I say too much, evidence, it won't be solved.

 

[Wallace52]

I do know that the Coroner will hand down her findings based on facts.
Maybe the Coroner has distanced herself from police because the public have the brief of evidence in their hands.
This is not helpful to any case. In fact it’s ludicrous. How can you allow Frank Abbot to speak at an inquest when he’s seen the evidence. How can FM speak at an inquest when we know Box and maybe Jubelin have seen the brief of evidence.

Let’s talk facts.

How can the foster mother do a full interview at Parramatta in 2016 when she has all of her previous statements printed out in front of her and she can refer to them at any time? <<< And the $1Million reward announcement hinged on this interview and that of her husband >>>

Did you just assume I didn’t know that when you wrote your comment?

Maybe the Coroner shut down the inquest because Box and the Team at News.com blatantly broke the suppression orders on the biological mum and dad <<<and the orders are still being broken to this day as Episode 2 has not come down yet>>> and used the Inquest as a money-spinner to sell clicks for their podcast?

Have you thought about that??

Her Honour said in the Nov tranche that she had lost faith in News Corps, relating to the way they breached Coronial orders **

 

[Kurve]

I hope the Coroner was as inspired by Alanna Smith's contribution to that awfully timed podcast as I was.

 

[Underarrest_]

Facts. Ha! Let’s talk facts.

How can the foster mother do a full interview at Parramatta in 2016 when she has all of her previous statements printed out in front of her and she can refer to them at any time? <<< And the $1Million reward announcement hinged on this interview and that of her husband >>>

Did you just assume I didn’t know that when you wrote your comment?

Maybe the Coroner shut down the inquest because Box and the Team at News.com blatantly broke the suppression orders on the biological mum and dad <<<and the orders are still being broken to this day as Episode 2 has not come down yet>>> and used the Inquest as a money-spinner to sell clicks for their podcast?

Have you thought about that??

Her Honour said in the Nov tranche that she had lost faith in News Corps, relating to the way they breached Coronial orders, so **

Yes and also the Coroner might have shut the inquest down because it’s been brought to her attention that any evidence, including other persons of interest have seen the evidence.
I don’t know why you’re attacking me because of something newscorp has done. I’m not Box, and I haven’t defended newscorp. Have no interest in them.
I’m saying the Coroner can only work with the facts that she has. Not more evidence from witnesses that already know what the inquest/police have.

 

[Lady O]

Is it time to let this case go?
10 years is a long time with no, or should I say too much, evidence, it won't be solved.

Yeah, I don't know. It's been 28 years since JonBenet Ramsey was murdered and there is still plenty of talk on the forums, albeit mostly repetition.

 

[passball]

Yeah, I don't know. It's been 28 years since JonBenet Ramsey was murdered and there is still plenty of talk on the forums, albeit mostly repetition.

Last thing i heard about that was the brother did it, involved pineapple, idk.
If it takes too long I actually don't think cases will get solved.
It's almost like people do commit the perfect murder and it's not like the POIs are even Einstein's.

 

[maggiethecat]

Yeah, I don't know. It's been 28 years since JonBenet Ramsey was murdered and there is still plenty of talk on the forums, albeit mostly repetition.

I agree .. how can anyone just do the frozen thing and “ let it go” whilst it remains unsolved. People who follow these cases do so in the hope there will be an answer , not inconclusive and poor Jaidyn leskie comes to mind with this , we all are pretty sure we know but there is no evidence that is conclusive, sadly.

We still need to hear the findings of this inquest but I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels slightly disappointed that no arrests have been made and it looks like this is still going to remain a mystery

 

[Kurve]

Last thing i heard about that was the brother did it, involved pineapple, idk.
If it takes too long I actually don't think cases will get solved.
It's almost like people do commit the perfect murder and it's not like the POIs are even Einstein's.

JonBenet's brother, mother and father were cleared by exclusion when male foreign DNA was found on her pyjama pants and in her underwear.

That case will eventually be solved by science imo.

If it doesn't appear science can help much with solving William's case.

 

[Wallace52]

Yes and also the Coroner might have shut the inquest down because it’s been brought to her attention that any evidence, including other persons of interest have seen the evidence.
I don’t know why you’re attacking me because of something newscorp has done. I’m not Box, and I haven’t defended newscorp. Have no interest in them.
I’m saying the Coroner can only work with the facts that she has. Not more evidence from witnesses that already know what the inquest/police have.

Listen, I’m really sorry.

 

[passball]

JonBenet's brother, mother and father were cleared by exclusion when male foreign DNA was found on her pyjama pants and in her underwear.

That case will eventually be solved by science imo.

If it doesn't appear science can help much with solving William's case.

I didn't know that about the DNA.

I agree .. how can anyone just do the frozen thing and “ let it go” whilst it remains unsolved. People who follow these cases do so in the hope there will be an answer , not inconclusive and poor Jaidyn leskie comes to mind with this , we all are pretty sure we know but there is no evidence that is conclusive, sadly.

We still need to here the findings of this inquest but I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels slightly disappointed that no arrests have been made and it looks like this is still going to remain a mystery

From what there is I feel like there isn't genuine concern from either the BPs or FPs (apart from the fact the FM is the main POI at the moment, that concerned her)
Seems like they have moved on, especially the BM.
This is what gets me. Why should I be so concerned when they aren't?
Just sad that a vulnerable little boy won't ever be found.
The lies and cover ups made this case go on for this long.
All William needed was the truth to be told, that simple.

 

[passball]

And I don't think he had shoes on

 

[Awakening]

I hope the Coroner was as inspired by Alanna Smith's contribution to that awfully timed podcast as I was.

I do have a soft spot for Alannah

 

[passball]

No, me neither.

Did Cleo put shoes on to get abducted? No.

Kids get abducted in what they are wearing. They don’t need to get dressed for the occasion. IMO

If he ran off after that photo he was shoeless.
That tv show also bugs me, I don't really get it.
What it an old Sunrise episode?
Could FM and the kids gone up a couple of weeks earlier, when the FF was on his 'dirty car' trip further north?

 

[Wallace52]

I do have a soft spot for Alannah

Ehhhhh
I get it. She’s got a certain appeal. And in between her swears she makes some good points….

I thought I’d share some notes from the recent Witness episode.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

“I do lay there at night sometimes and I think to myself, Dan is an unredeemable ****ing lowlife prick, but I still don't understand why he's chosen the road that he has.

Dan Box:

So are you asking me why we're doing what we're doing?

Allanna Pearl Smith:

Why are you doing what you're doing with the narrative in which you're doing it, Dan?

Dan Box:

Look, the only narrative we're trying to tell is to look at the investigation from the beginning and what was done right and what was done wrong. That's been our starting point.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

There needs to be an inquiry. What do you think about an inquiry, Dan, on record?

Dan Box:

I'd love to see a public inquiry into this.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

Why aren't you pushing for one?

Dan Box:

Because it's not really my job. My job is to report the facts and not to call for things.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

Why aren't you pushing and advocating for one?

Dan Box:

Because I'm not an advocate, I'm a journalist, and my job is to report the facts as best we can. It's not my job to advocate for things.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

You haven't been doing that, you know.”

From Witness: William Tyrrell: The Suspect | 10, 9 Dec 2024

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[Wallace52]

That tv show also bugs me, I don't really get it.
What it an old Sunrise episode?

Which TV show mate?

 

[Wallace52]

Dan Box:

Look, the only narrative we're trying to tell is to look at the investigation from the beginning and what was done right and what was done wrong. That's been our starting point.

This is from Episode 10 of Witness.

Do we think that this is something Witness comes back to, what was done right and what was done wrong in the investigation?Or does it deviate from this purpose?

Does it have a clear purpose and if so, what is it??

 

[Awakening]

Ehhhhh
I get it. She’s got a certain appeal. And in between her swears she makes some good points….

I thought I’d share some notes from the recent Witness episode.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

“I do lay there at night sometimes and I think to myself, Dan is an unredeemable ****ing lowlife prick, but I still don't understand why he's chosen the road that he has.

Dan Box:

So are you asking me why we're doing what we're doing?

Allanna Pearl Smith:

Why are you doing what you're doing with the narrative in which you're doing it, Dan?

Dan Box:

Look, the only narrative we're trying to tell is to look at the investigation from the beginning and what was done right and what was done wrong. That's been our starting point.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

There needs to be an inquiry. What do you think about an inquiry, Dan, on record?

Dan Box:

I'd love to see a public inquiry into this.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

Why aren't you pushing for one?

Dan Box:

Because it's not really my job. My job is to report the facts and not to call for things.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

Why aren't you pushing and advocating for one?

Dan Box:

Because I'm not an advocate, I'm a journalist, and my job is to report the facts as best we can. It's not my job to advocate for things.

Allanna Pearl Smith:

You haven't been doing that, you know.”

From Witness: William Tyrrell: The Suspect | 10, 9 Dec 2024

This material may be protected by copyright.

The contrast between the way Dan spoke to his journo mate and Alannah was very telling.

Considering one gave info to a journalist in private and the other gave info to the entire country and potentially stuffed an active police investigation.

But then, the whole podcast has been like that.

 

[passball]

Which TV show mate?

Was Sunrise on the tv when the photos of William were taken?
Something about that episode being on days or weeks before?

 

[Wallace52]

Was Sunrise on the tv when the photos of William were taken?
Something about that episode being on days or weeks before?

I don’t think so.

It was like that there was a sunrise episode playing in the background of a photo the FM took on that Bali camera which showed the time on the sunrise episode.

 

[Wallace52]

The contrast between the way Dan spoke to his journo mate and Alannah was very telling.

Considering one gave info to a journalist in private and the other gave info to the entire country and potentially stuffed an active police investigation.

But then, the whole podcast has been like that.

“Mark Morrie, or Moz, to his friends, is the crime editor at Sydney's Daily Telegraph newspaper. Moz is old school. You'll often find him on the phone or in the pub, usually halfway through telling a long story about Sydney's underworld.

And he's been working the crime beat in this city for as long as I have been alive. And for my money, Moz is the best crime reporter in New South Wales.”

From Witness: William Tyrrell: The Suspect | 10, 9 Dec 2024

This material may be protected by copyright.

The way he’s like Moz is the best crime reporter in NSW. Like Moz good… Allanna bad.