Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[Wallace52]

I wonder if the FD has listened to this podcast.



I imagine it would be interesting for one as they grew older to get some insight into the way that one’s former foster parents were speaking about one’s brother’s disappearance, and speaking about her too.

 

[LRitz]

What is the Special' orange juice?
Did it have ADHD medicine in it?
Why is it Special?

Well .... I thought that the FM and FGM had different narratives about breakfast . Breakfast was allegedly around 8:30 to 9:00 according to FM. and FGM had breakfast with children and FF had definitely left. But FGM said FF left at 8:00. So very confusing. But the common narrative was that William had orange juice. The important things are not clear IMO, but they both remember the orange juice and were very specific. So I called it "special" orange juice in a previous post.

They seem to say that William had juice. Maybe they all had juice. Maybe William just liked orange juice and it was a treat for him.

But now that you mention it. I wonder if there could have been something in the orange juice. I think IMO William looked a bit distracted in the photo. He was not looking at the camera, he was not smiling or drawing. The FGM said he had a lot of energy, but that energy is not evident in the photo. Could FPs have given William sedation to control his behaviour?

 

[stormbird]

Do you know if this has been mentioned in any media coverage please?

I thought I read that he had stated at inquest or perhaps an interview tape was played where the truckdriver Peter said his dashcam was not working on 12th.

gymjam, are you talking about Peter's call to 2GB in 2014 when he said: "I didn't have the camera on on the dashboard"? See post 7,404 from earlier today.

I think there was not much reported from the inquest and the only article I saw that mentioned the dashcam was by the NewsWire reporter:

News.com.au, 6 Nov 2024:
"Mr Bashkurt also said while he often used a dashcam, he didn’t have one equipped on that day.
“I wish I did, I didn’t have one on that vehicle that day,” he said."

Nothing I've seen (apart from here) reported that Peter denies saying what was written in his witness statement.

 

[gymjam]

Her own classroom teacher would be aware of her foster status. Other teachers may not be told (need to know) but typically they all find out. They may not all know her legal name.

How confused the child must have been. What an awful nightmare to live a life through. Even everything about your real identity and your real bioligical parents stripped away even your self stripped away until there was nothing left but darling children hiding under tables, too afraid to sleep,kicking and biting, cutting hair of kinder mates to change their appearance like they were changed, throwing things, begging not to be hurt anymore, crying out for help, being locked outside because you dared as a 2yo to soil a nappy, being sworn at and hit and kicked and bruised ... oh the horse did that, and told to sit on a marble floor and threatened if you soiled the floor your face would be rubbed in it ... all because you were denied toilet relief whilst sitting out a punishment session.

This is a mummy dearest horror story!

Geez the children were even forced by these 2 wonderful caring loving foster carers to call their real biological mother 'biomum' and father 'biodad' as reported in the media. tThe fister carers must be so proud they are too scared to reveal themselves or is it really they are too embarrased to show their own real identity.it will happen one day and more stories may finally see the very bright light of day.

Its damn crazy ... did someone push the big red button and say step into my wonderful world of our nutty farm experiment?

If this story was made into a true story movie script it would have to be placed in the 'horror genre' for sure. Who would be chosen to play the make believers?

 

[Awakening]

What planet are you on again?

I’m a lazy parent because a few times a year I treat them to Maccas. lol!

 

[Underarrest_]

That may be true, however, in this case it was a woman. The police were still recording. The truck driver times are within, but can't be sure it actually fits.

I’m not sure how this was recorded but hopefully as discreetly as possible.
Trying to get my head around why the truck driver was called to give evidence. We know he was in the area he’s said he saw three cars and a blonde lady.

 

[js47]

Don’t run down Maccas. Pre schools have food vouchers because the parents cannot feed their children. A acquaintance’s daughter told me the children were fed but they could not feed the mother. Even though they work a big car bill etc could come in. Doctors don’t always bulk bill. I think they’re but the grace of God go I. Some parents can at least buy a cheese burger.

 

[Awakening]

Don’t run down Maccas. Pre schools have food vouchers because the parents cannot feed their children. A acquaintance’s daughter told me the children were fed but they could not feed the mother. Even though they work a big car bill etc could come in. Doctors don’t always bulk bill. I think they’re but the grace of God go I. Some parents can at least buy a cheese burger.

Theres nothing wrong with the occasional Maccas meal.

Hopefully Kurve doesn’t get upset with me for the Maccas abbreviation.

 

[js47]

William had dinner around what 6.30 went to bed did not eat till about 8.30. Except for some yogurt allegedly. 14 hours without food. He was awake at 5.50 according to FF why didn’t he get him some cereal?
The FM allegedly wanted to sleep in
‘…. And this is where it all happened’
He probably ran away to find food

 

[js47]

Notice Bio Mother and Father in photos had food and drinks for the children in what looked like brought from home containers.

 

[js47]

Silver service breakfast
Weetbix
Scrambled eggs
Toast
orange juice
Yogurt
(Smashed avo) extra

Table service for 3 or 4

8.30 sharp for people wanting to play games. Or take photos.

Owner to do washing up.

 

[passball]

Now these are 2 new references. Pray tell who?

I thought I was I was referred to as dumbest but yes I'll take any

 

[passball]

Imagine putting the furniture there after he (allegedly) fell.

They’re not that stupid.

The furniture was always there. If they were smart, they would have moved the furniture inside.

I meant brought it out for the Police to sit on

 

[passball]

46ish when going thru accreditation which required trial day/overnight stays by various foster children.

I thought she was older

 

[Wallace52]

I’m just wondering.. around the urgency of the FF needing to have his script filled “they just help me, um, relax”….. Maybe the FF was getting a script filled that day for William. Like, maybe they were giving W some of the FF meds.

 

[Wallace52]

I imagine that as it gets darker and your foster kids bedtime passes and he hasn’t been found yet, that you could quite easily experience a panic attack.

Maybe he saw a ghost.

 

[Wallace52]

I thought she was older

Nah, sounds about right.

 

[Wallace52]

I thought she was older

DOB 23/7/1965 so she’s 59 now and was 49 when William disappeared.

 

[Underarrest_]

They would have to let them know who wasn't allowed to pick them up wouldn't they?

Yes children in care are enrolled In school under the minister of the state as their legal guardian. This includes authorisation for pickups, who can attend the school and the child’s participation in activities/excursions.

 

[CodyRose]

Yes, but FM made a point of saying that it was a rare treat. This is what made me think they might have been monitoring his diet. I wonder if the Maccas might have made WT more than usually active, "jumping out of his skull" as FGM said.

Yes I was wondering if he was on a low sugar diet in an attempt to reduce his over activity. That might also explain him being thinner.

 

[Underarrest_]

I’m just wondering.. around the urgency of the FF needing to have his script filled “they just help me, um, relax”….. Maybe the FF was getting a script filled that day for William. Like, maybe they were giving W some of the FF meds.

Possible,
and could do a bit of chemist hopping back then.
One of the photos shown on the police board doesn’t seem right.

 

[Wallace52]

Possible,
and could do a bit of chemist hopping back then.

It was before some of their real time reporting systems came in that made it more difficult for problematic prescription drug users to shop around.

Also, I think for example drugs like Mersyndol were available over the counter in 2014 without one having to give one’s name.

““Real Time Prescription Monitoring (RTPM) is a computer system that aims to reduce misuse of controlled medicines in Australia. It will alert prescribers and pharmacists to a patient’s medication history before they write or dispense prescriptions for a controlled medicine.” According to health.gov.au the system was introduced to limit levels of overdose and accidental death from over-prescribing.

In NSW, there is an electronic reporting system with the capability to enable real-time prescription monitoring for Schedule 8 drugs, but there is no mandatory real-time prescription system in place yet, at the time of writing this article. The Electronic Recording and Reporting of Controlled Drugs (ERRCD) is used to record authorisations to prescribe as part of the NSW Opioid Treatment Program. It also records client admissions to and exits from treatment, the details of prescribers and dosing points.”

Guide to Real Time Prescription Monitoring | MIPS

Discover how Real Time Prescription Monitoring (RTPM) works across Australia, aiding healthcare professionals in patient medication management.

support.mips.com.au

One of the photos shown on the police board doesn’t seem right.

Which one?

 

[shorsky]

Ah the postie!
Jubelin established the postie was there at 8:45?
So, did she deliver to FGM, Crabbs, Millers, Savage or AMS (sorry CBF typing the whole thing)?
Did she see any cars parked on Benaroon?
Did she see any kids riding bikes at FGMs?
Any vehicles in FGM driveway?
Anyone else on the street at all?

Why are the answers to these questions not in the public domain? They don't impinge on anyone's privacy.

Best we add the CBF to the sticky

 

[shorsky]

I think you mean the Tennis court Cctv was around 8:49. And now the CCTV might have been even slower so could be even later.

At 8:45 FM alleges they are having breakfast. All the family. The FGM as well. (In the FGM walkthrough FGM is not there having breakfast until around 9:00 and the FF has left, but FGM walkthrough is not worth even mentioning in trying to make timeline). But needless to say, there is no proof what time they had breakfast, or if FF had coffee and toast.

The postie in Benaroon drive, if at 8:45 must be close to the alleged departure of the FF.
Sounds like she has been questioned over this. And we have not heard any evidence that she saw any car leaving FGM's house. So FF could have left after the postie was there. FF does not say he saw any cars in the street when he left. (that i am aware of). What would be of interest is if the postie said she saw any cars in the driveway of FGM's. But having no memory of a car would not prove anything.

Whoops - my apologies everyone & thanks for the pickup LRitz. Absolutely it was mean to say 8.40 am ( becoming 8.49 am )

 

[Wallace52]

So if there is a niece, there is an extended family. Niece as in FGM's daughter's daughter? Or did FGM have a son, and a DIL, who had adult children? And did they live in northern NSW?

The niece who had the car is FM brother’s daughter IIRC.