Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[truecrimepath]

As I recall there was narrative line by the fosters that William would only travel down hill. It sounds rehearsed, IMO. Downhill explains how he got to the road. It also means he would have headed straight in the direction of the two mystery cars, and adds to the "he's been taken" narrative. And yes away from the fire trail.

FF in his walkthrough was being asked why he had first looked in an area, FF said word to the effect: "He's got asthma . He probably wouldn't spend his time going up hill. It would just be too hard for him.....I guess he's a little bit like water, it's the path of least resistance. He would go down..."

FGM in her walkthrough is saying that FM literally ran down the street. FGM is explaining that the reason FM ran that way is because it is downhill and this is the direction William would go. 14.50 FGM "......because we both knew that if he was, he would be going down, he would be going down hill, knowing the little boy ..."

And then later in FGM walkthrough - , it is a bit confusing as it sound like police interviewer says "he" but I think she meant "you". Police interviewer asks FGM Q: "so you think he would have come back this way?"
FGM answer : "...Well you see he's a little boy. He wouldn't be climbing up. He would be going down.."
Police Question : "Would he run up and down the hill?"
FGM Answer: " No No"

Note. My transcripts so maybe not exactly as said.

In the ‘one last roar’ podcast they claim he would not go down the hill either.

I guess William spent his whole life standing in one spot.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

' he hit his head and cant hear me' right
' everyone was happy at breakfast' ok
' this is where it happened' I believe you
' I drove 1.3 klm to look for him missing 5 min' seriously?
' there were two cars parked there'..... that no one saw
' a evil looking man did a uTurn' who hasn't come forward
' I waved to a truckie' at the time another truckie' was there and didn't see you
' he fell off a chair and hit is head' damn that would hurt. Does it happen often.
well yes it seems
' he can only go down hill' wow poor development
' bouncing out of his skull with happiness and joy of life' mmmmmmmm sounds like an obituary tbh
' he's not a wanderer' so must have been taken right?
' either that or someone has taken him' there it is. I needed it spelt out thanks

Shall I go on? I can

 

[alwaysintrigued]

No I don't think he was pretending. I think he was burying the body perhaps. More than one reason he might be up that early..yet at same time he DIDN'T search whilst crying in bathroom 30 minutes after he went missing. I for one believe that's very odd. You look until he is found. You stop looking when you know he's dead and make time for a cry .... you get up to 'look' early when police aren't there to possibly bury him.

So where do you think William was overnight, waiting for the FF to bury him early the next morning ??

 

[truecrimepath]

For the crime commission to ask about the three phones is not as stupid as it seems.

Possible Scenario: FM phone turned off? Intelligence from Telcos known to investigators.

Text message from FF acknowledged by FM in her statement and podcast.

Crime commission establishes message could not have been via another phone. The FGM phone and house phone. Could still be by computer if it has an internet connection. So why would she be on the computer instead of searching for William.

Essentially she has incriminated herself if her phone is off.

 

[jason_recliner]

LoL!

People trying go cover their tracks typically leave their phone behind, or switch it off!

 

[Wallace52]

Yeh I've always maintained that if either of them was responsible for William vanishing, the other one probably isn't aware.

I remember that you have had that position for a while.

I share that view.

 

[Wallace52]

So where do you think William was overnight, waiting for the FF to bury him early the next morning ??

On the ground at Cobb and Co intersection maybe?

 

[zedx]

' he hit his head and cant hear me' right
' everyone was happy at breakfast' ok
' this is where it happened' I believe you
' I drove 1.3 klm to look for him missing 5 min' seriously?
' there were two cars parked there'..... that no one saw
' a evil looking man did a uTurn' who hasn't come forward
' I waved to a truckie' at the time another truckie' was there and didn't see you
' he fell off a chair and hit is head' damn that would hurt. Does it happen often.
well yes it seems
' he can only go down hill' wow poor development
' bouncing out of his skull with happiness and joy of life' mmmmmmmm sounds like an obituary tbh
' he's not a wanderer' so must have been taken right?
' either that or someone has taken him' there it is. I needed it spelt out thanks

Shall I go on? I can

On a FB page, some one posted yesterday that they were involved in the search for WT. They have stated that the two cars were definately where the FM said they were BUT it was in the afternoon and the cars were still there in the evening. She also said she and three other people stayed out all night looking for WT, even though they were told to go home.
AFAIK this information has not been verified.

 

[truecrimepath]

LoL!

People trying go cover heir tracks typically leave their phone behind, or switch it off!

Yep and it may have caught them out. Note she didn’t use her mobile to make the 000 call either.

 

[BFew]

Yep and it may have caught them out. Note she didn’t use her mobile to make the 000 call either.

That might have been because the FM was aware that when you call from a landline back in 2014 (unlike today) it was way quicker and easier for emergency services to geo-locate where you are.

And/or possibly because the call was perceived to have been less likely to drop out than a mobile call might do on their property.

 

[31550]

I'm not sure anything incriminating would have been said in the house. The fosters demonstrated what might be an uncommon awareness of higher end surveillance tech when they wanted their vehicle checked by police for tracking devices, remember this was back in 2014.

I assume they'd be aware if they were under suspicion at all in the case of a missing child, one of the cops might have installed a listening device. Yes, without a warrant.

Not cunning enough to establish a crime scene but cunning enough to install an illegal listening device in the few minutes they had access to FGM property without being seen? Nope I don't think so. Would they even have such a device at their disposal? They weren't under suspicion for some time - not from the lead investigators anyway.

 

[31550]

Yeh I've always maintained that if either of them was responsible for William vanishing, the other one probably isn't aware.

That's what I actually believe as well. I am just demonstrating that the cops were not keeping a close eye on anyone, nor were they monitoring that area on BCR or anywhere beyond 3YO walking distance from FGM house. So someone, anyone, could have assisted in relocating the poor kids body and concealing it permanently.

 

[Underarrest_]

So where do you think William was overnight, waiting for the FF to bury him early the next morning ??

How would he find the exact spot?
FM was at home.

 

[Kurve]

Yeh I've always maintained that if either of them was responsible for William vanishing, the other one probably isn't aware.

The only exception to that, might be if the FD was involved somehow or one or the other thought she was. In that case, it's not too out there imo, they might protect her.

Of course though, I have no real idea of what happened to William.

 

[zedx]

On a FB page, some one posted yesterday that they were involved in the search for WT. They have stated that the two cars were definately where the FM said they were BUT it was in the afternoon and the cars were still there in the evening. She also said she and three other people stayed out all night looking for WT, even though they were told to go home.
AFAIK this information has not been verified.

The above poster has just replied that she had spoken to the Police several times about this including when they were digging under the veranda. She has also reported it to crime stoppers. She feels 'they never really seemed to take any notice'.
NB - this is a FB poster- not verified information.

 

[Earls Smother]

The above poster has just replied that she had spoken to the Police several times about this including when they were digging under the veranda. She has also reported it to crime stoppers. She feels 'they never really seemed to take any notice'.
NB - this is a FB poster- not verified information.

Does that mean the cars were not there in the morning? Or that they weren't aware of them being there?

Or they could have been there earlier, disappeared for a while, then were only noticed by the searchers when they attended later on?

 

[Wallace52]

The only exception to that, might be if the FD was involved somehow or one or the other thought she was. In that case, it's not too out there imo, they might protect her.

Of course though, I have no real idea of what happened to William.

Regarding hypothesis of the foster daughter being involved.

IMO/ They would have talked about it between the two foster parents at some point in those 11 months in 2020/2021 when they were under heavy surveillance. Right?

Or maybe that’s why the FF said to FD “you have ruined our lives.”

Maybe he mistakenly thinks she (the foster daughter) is responsible.

 

[BFew]

They would have talked about it between the two foster parents at some point in those 11 months. Right?
Or maybe that’s why the FF said to her “you have ruined our lives.”

Maybe he mistakenly thinks she’s responsible.

In the above, who is "her"?

 

[Wallace52]

In the above, who is "her"?

The foster daughter. William’s sister.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

On a FB page, some one posted yesterday that they were involved in the search for WT. They have stated that the two cars were definately where the FM said they were BUT it was in the afternoon and the cars were still there in the evening. She also said she and three other people stayed out all night looking for WT, even though they were told to go home.
AFAIK this information has not been verified.

Very important IF they searched in the search area..I've calculated that FM had possibly driven 10 minutes away. That would be well outside the search zones though the car would pass through them to get to where it was going.

 

[BFew]

The foster daughter. William’s sister.

That's what I thought, but was concerned that it read like you were referring to the foster mother.

 

[BFew]

At the Thursday last week Inquest, in the recording of the 2021 NSW Crime Commission "grilling" of the foster mother, I recall hearing the interrogator telling the FM of evidence that had been obtained from one of the FGM female neighbours, where this neighbour was told by the Foster Mother during the initial search, that
William had either
1. Been abducted; or
2. Injured his head

The words in 1. & 2. above are very likely NOT the exact words used, but similar too, as I did not take notes on this. And 1. & 2. are not necessarily in the correct order. And there most definitely was not any more than these 2 alternatives.

At the moment, I'm struggling to recall exactly how this was phrased in a question to the Foster Mother, and what the Foster Mother's response to this was, and what the follow up Q&A were from the interrogator.

Apart from recalling something like tripping over was mentioned (not sure who this was attributed to or used words like this of the 3 possibilities).

Sorry I can't be of more assistance, but if I have any clear enough to post further recollections that are useful on this line of questioning, I'll post them.

 

[31550]

How would he find the exact spot?
FM was at home.

Hypothetically. She told him where she left him. FF was familiar with the area. There may have been a landmark. And he had plenty of time to look around to find him.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

At the Thursday last week Inquest, in the recording of the 2021 NSW Crime Commission "grilling" of the foster mother, I recall hearing the interrogator telling the FM of evidence that had been obtained from one of the FGM female neighbours, where this neighbour was told by the Foster Mother during the initial search, that
William had either
1. Been abducted; or
2. Injured his head

The words in 1. & 2. above are very likely NOT the exact words used, but similar too, as I did not take notes on this. And 1. & 2. are not necessarily in the correct order. And there most definitely was not any more than these 2 alternatives.

At the moment, I'm struggling to recall exactly how this was phrased in a question to the Foster Mother, and what the Foster Mother's response to this was, and what the follow up Q&A were from the interrogator.

Apart from recalling something like tripping over was mentioned (not sure who this was attributed to or used words like this of the 3 possibilities).

Sorry I can't be of more assistance, but if I have any clear enough to post further recollections that are useful on this line of questioning, I'll post them.

It was the exchange between AMS and FM words to effect

' he's either hit his head and cant hear me or has been taken'

Very incriminating as a first remark looking for your son

 

[31550]

The only exception to that, might be if the FD was involved somehow or one or the other thought she was. In that case, it's not too out there imo, they might protect her.

Of course though, I have no real idea of what happened to William.

That is of course a distinct possibility. But after ten years and the NSWCC pressure (and indemnity offered by the NSWCC Act) you would think this might have been revealed by now?