Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[LRitz]

Careful with the wording. She says the text was sent at this time. She doesn't say she saw the text at this time. (And she doesn't mention deleting it when she read it., as she seems to have done either).
But it's not definitive. If she did see the text at 10:30 then it shows she had already returned from her drive at this time, putting the time of the drive even earlier on the timeline.

Yes . I agree it is not definitive. And there has been previous Disagreements discussions over this point on bigfooty.
I feel IMO, even though she says "sent" she is saying that she did "see" the text at this time. Her initial narrative is linking the two events. Otherwise she would not know the text had been sent if she did not look. If say, she did not see that there was a text until some time later time, she would see the text had arrived at 10:25 but she would not have known if this time related to her starting her search in the house for William. She would not have likely looked at her watch to note the time William ran around the house, but she did notice the text which was linked to a time. Sorry if not explaining clearly.

So there is an alleged time for FM in the house which is the time FF sent the text or later. (What time did he send the text @#$ was it 10:25 ?) FM could not see the text before 10:25.
Lets say she saw the text close to the time it was sent 10:25. Working backwards. Walk around the house and back inside - lets say 3 to 4 minutes. Time between William running around the house and FM starting to look for him was allegedly only minutes - lets say 5 minutes. So the text locks in a the alleged last sighting of William to 10:14. Of course this all falls to pieces if there was a mystery drive in FGM's car (with or without 3 phone).

 

[BFew]

It was the exchange between AMS and FM words to effect

' he's either hit his head and cant hear me or has been taken'

Very incriminating as a first remark looking for your son

Thanks ARB.
Do you recall where/when was this first made public, as I wasn't sure whether it was something new?

 

[Kurve]

That is of course a distinct possibility. But after ten years and the NSWCC pressure (and indemnity offered by the NSWCC Act) you would think this might have been revealed by now?

The FM and FF are tight, most marriages would have crumbled under the pressure of all this.

As soon as that PR firm was set up to manage the WW campaign, IF they had knowledge of what really happened to William, no way they're going to avoid jail from then on.

It's a massive fraud on the public and the government who backed the campaign. They're trapped.

 

[Underarrest_]

It’s very common for a perpetrator to join a search and anyone and everyone was allowed to search.
A neighbour said there was people in and out everywhere. People even stealing property in the street.
I’m glad investigators have taken learnings from this.

 

[31550]

Yes . I agree it is not definitive. And there has been previous Disagreements discussions over this point on bigfooty.
I feel IMO, even though she says "sent" she is saying that she did "see" the text at this time. Her initial narrative is linking the two events. Otherwise she would not know the text had been sent if she did not look. If say, she did not see that there was a text until some time later time, she would see the text had arrived at 10:25 but she would not have known if this time related to her starting her search in the house for William. She would not have likely looked at her watch to note the time William ran around the house, but she did notice the text which was linked to a time. Sorry if not explaining clearly.

So there is an alleged time for FM in the house which is the time FF sent the text or later. (What time did he send the text @#$ was it 10:25 ?) FM could not see the text before 10:25.
Lets say she saw the text close to the time it was sent 10:25. Working backwards. Walk around the house and back inside - lets say 3 to 4 minutes. Time between William running around the house and FM starting to look for him was allegedly only minutes - lets say 5 minutes. So the text locks in a the alleged last sighting of William to 10:14. Of course this all falls to pieces if there was a mystery drive in FGM's car (with or without 3 phone).

Text was sent at exactly 10:30 according to the FF interview - evidenced by him finding the text on his phone .

Of course, maybe the time was deliberately adjusted on his phone to make it SEEM like the text was sent at 10:30 .... and the cops were too slack to check against phone company records, or these have been expertly manipulated to avoid forensic detection as well .... (just covering all bases here )

 

[31550]

The FM and FF are tight, most marriages would have crumbled under the pressure of all this.

As soon as that PR firm was set up, IF they had knowledge of what really happened to William, no way they're going to avoid jail from then on.

It's a massive fraud on the public and the government who backed the WW campaign. They're trapped.

Co-dependence is a thing.

 

[jason_recliner]

It was the exchange between AMS and FM words to effect

' he's either hit his head and cant hear me or has been taken'

Very incriminating as a first remark looking for your son

What is incriminating about that? They're calling his name, he's not responding. He's not under water, he's not wearing Beats by Dr Dre. A logical conclusion is he's either hit his head and is unconscious, or he's been taken.

You have a blind preconception and you're desperately trying to make things fit.

 

[Underarrest_]

Hypothetically. She told him where she left him. FF was familiar with the area. There may have been a landmark. And he had plenty of time to look around to find him.

Yes agree it’s possible.

 

[Earls Smother]

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So we have this map above.

It is downhill from the house to the point where the 2 cars are shown.

The gap in the trees would funnel a child in that general direction to the side of the road.

Number 35 was put on the market a week after the disappearance.

We have FM saying she saw 2 cars that morning when she got up. The following is quoted from March 2019 inquest:


"She says she vividly remembers waking up on the morning that William went missing, and seeing two cars parked opposite the house.

It was "odd" because the houses on the street all had long driveways, so, as she reasoned during the NSW inquest, "if you were visiting someone you'd drive up to the house, not walk from the street".

"Who's the car mummy?" she remembers her foster daughter asking, as she rode her bike in the front yard.

The cars were white and grey, and described as "old" and "dirty".

On that same morning, William's foster mother also recalls seeing a large "thick-necked" man with short red hair and a pale, weathered face on her street. They made eye contact.

"You know when you look at someone and there’s that second challenge, ‘why are you watching me, I am watching you’," she told the NSW inquest.

"It was fleeting," she said, but something about that man's face stuck with her."


We have zedx mentioning the searcher via facebook above, who confirms the cars were there later on.

We hear all about Crabbes, Millers, Savages. What about the people in 35 and 31?

If someone showed me all of the above and said "the FM did it", I'd laugh in their face.

 

[31550]

Do people remember this article from last year?

Cops make grim discovery in Kendall, NSW

A 43-year-old man's body has been found outside a home in Kendall, on the NSW mid-north-coast near the Batar Creek Road site where William Tyrrell's remains are said to be buried.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Kendall and Batar Creek Road have their fair share of drug-related crime and traffic violations.

What if the FM left William by the side of road in order to stage a vehicle accident? Maybe she got the idea seeing the 'semi-trailer' and how a small child might not be visible to a truck driver? Maybe a drunken or drug-affected hoon was driving along BCR some time after 10.30 and ran William over (or thought they did). Why not just drive off and leave him there if nobody saw? Perhaps they did drive off towards Kendall, but then saw the police activity at Benaroon Drive, so doubled back the other way and moved the body to a different location?

Note above incident is not connected to William's disappearance in any way - just an example of the dodgy folks who live on and around BCR.

 

[31550]

So we have this map above.

It is downhill from the house to the point where the 2 cars are shown.

The gap in the trees would funnel a child in that general direction to the side of the road.

Number 35 was put on the market a week after the disappearance.

We have FM saying she saw 2 cars that morning when she got up. The following is quoted from March 2019 inquest:


"She says she vividly remembers waking up on the morning that William went missing, and seeing two cars parked opposite the house.

It was "odd" because the houses on the street all had long driveways, so, as she reasoned during the NSW inquest, "if you were visiting someone you'd drive up to the house, not walk from the street".

"Who's the car mummy?" she remembers her foster daughter asking, as she rode her bike in the front yard.

The cars were white and grey, and described as "old" and "dirty".

On that same morning, William's foster mother also recalls seeing a large "thick-necked" man with short red hair and a pale, weathered face on her street. They made eye contact.

"You know when you look at someone and there’s that second challenge, ‘why are you watching me, I am watching you’," she told the NSW inquest.

"It was fleeting," she said, but something about that man's face stuck with her."


We have zedx mentioning the searcher via facebook above, who confirms the cars were there later on.

We hear all about Crabbes, Millers, Savages. What about the people in 35 and 31?

If someone showed me all of the above and said "the FM did it", I'd laugh in their face.

Do you work for Insight Earls Smother ? #justasking

 

[zedx]

Does that mean the cars were not there in the morning? Or that they weren't aware of them being there?

Or they could have been there earlier, disappeared for a while, then were only noticed by the searchers when they attended later on?

They didnt specify so i will ask and get back to you.

 

[Underarrest_]

Does anyone know where Richard Donoghue lived? Has it been verified if Wendy Hudson received a phone call an hour earlier than William was reported missing?

 

[BFew]

Glad you were there to hear the evidence / testimony thou.

Like you, I wasn't there for all of it last week.

Which might explain why I asked at least one question in here about a particular inquest hot topic, as though I wasn't there, because I wasn't there (at the inquest) when the answer to my question was heard at the inquest.

 

[31550]

Does anyone know where Richard Donoghue lived? Has it been verified if Wendy Hudson received a phone call an hour earlier than William was reported missing?

I think Chumley refers to him as the 'tennis player'.

Questions were also raised about a married couple in their late seventies who lived in Benaroon Drive. The woman recalled her surprise at her husband’s early return from tennis that day. Her husband, whom I will call the Tennis Player, awoke around seven. He donned his tennis shoes in the garage, reversed the car, drove to the Kendall General Store for a newspaper and arrived at the Kendall tennis courts at 8.10 am.​

​

From there, it gets complicated. The man said he played tennis until 10.15 am. He told police in his first interview that he left the courts and returned home. But in a second statement in 2015, he revised this timing after detectives presented him with CCTV footage in which his car was seen leaving earlier than he first said. Police recovered eight images timestamped between 9.32 and 9.34 am. ​

The camera’s timestamping was slow by nine minutes (an odd echo in this case), putting the Tennis Player’s departure at no later than 9.43. The man swears he didn’t reach his home, a two-minute drive away, until 10.15. ‘My husband got home from tennis about 10.20 am and I remember thinking that he was early home because he usually doesn’t get home until 11 am,’ his wife told police.​

​

Some people wondered where he was for that extra half-hour. Police certainly did.​

​

When asked about his early departure, the Tennis Player had different reasons on different occasions. Police were particularly interested in his claim of seeing Senior Constable Wendy Hudson receiving a call, which the man inferred was about a missing child. Hudson was not at the tennis club in a policing capacity, but because she has officiated at the tennis club for years.​

​

‘The reason I came to leave the tennis club,’ the Tennis Player said, ‘was that Wendy Hudson, who I knew was a police officer, received a telephone call on her mobile telephone. I saw her using the telephone. I am not sure where she was standing where she took the call. After Wendy finished the call I heard her say something to make me think there was a child missing. I cannot recall if she said where the child was missing from.’​

​

Wendy Hudson’s phone records confirm she did make a call at around ten o’clock, but by the Tennis Player’s timeframe, he had already left tennis by then.​

​

Here we find another example of a witness who seems to have made two errors: he couldn’t recall exactly when things occurred, which is understandable, and he conflated facts he knew before an incident with facts discovered afterwards. This was an infectious malady, it seems.​

​

So far, there has been no closure on three issues. First, exactly why did the man leave tennis early? Second, where are the corroborating – or conflicting – accounts from other players? And third, why did the Tennis Player insist he arrived home half an hour after leaving tennis, despite claiming he went straight home, a two-minute drive away? Nobody seems able to offer explanations.​

​

There would be multiple searches conducted around the immediate vicinity of the Benaroon Drive estate. The Tennis Player said that when police first searched his house he opened an access door under his verandah. But no one had opened any other doors or cupboards at the house. No one checked in the car. And William’s foster father was met with open hostility when he asked to look inside the man’s locked shed.​

​

So to answer the questions. Donoghue lived on Benaroon Drive (assuming he is the tennis player).
It's unclear if Wendy RECEIVED a phone call when Donoghue was at tennis. But she MADE a phone call after he left.
Donoghue says she RECEIVED a call - does this mean he HEARD the phone ring, or did he just assume it?

 

[Kurve]

The above poster has just replied that she had spoken to the Police several times about this including when they were digging under the veranda. She has also reported it to crime stoppers. She feels 'they never really seemed to take any notice'.
NB - this is a FB poster- not verified information.

I'd think or hope more, that someone thought to take video of all the cars that were in the street after William was reported missing and those that showed up through the day.

 

[truecrimepath]

In the above, who is "her"?

FD

 

[BFew]

Does anyone know where Richard Donoghue lived?

18 Benaroon Drive according to a post in another forum.

 

[31550]

So we have this map above.

It is downhill from the house to the point where the 2 cars are shown.

The gap in the trees would funnel a child in that general direction to the side of the road.

Number 35 was put on the market a week after the disappearance.

We have FM saying she saw 2 cars that morning when she got up. The following is quoted from March 2019 inquest:


"She says she vividly remembers waking up on the morning that William went missing, and seeing two cars parked opposite the house.

It was "odd" because the houses on the street all had long driveways, so, as she reasoned during the NSW inquest, "if you were visiting someone you'd drive up to the house, not walk from the street".

"Who's the car mummy?" she remembers her foster daughter asking, as she rode her bike in the front yard.

The cars were white and grey, and described as "old" and "dirty".

On that same morning, William's foster mother also recalls seeing a large "thick-necked" man with short red hair and a pale, weathered face on her street. They made eye contact.

"You know when you look at someone and there’s that second challenge, ‘why are you watching me, I am watching you’," she told the NSW inquest.

"It was fleeting," she said, but something about that man's face stuck with her."


We have zedx mentioning the searcher via facebook above, who confirms the cars were there later on.

We hear all about Crabbes, Millers, Savages. What about the people in 35 and 31?

If someone showed me all of the above and said "the FM did it", I'd laugh in their face.

So to summarise:

• a totally uncorroborated witness account of vehicles which have never been identified in ten years, neglected by FM for several days initially, and not even recalled but categorically denied when prompted by a 000 operator asking, "Any strange cars or anything like that?" - "no, no no nothing like that!"
• two neighbours whose evidence to police (or lack thereof) has never been publicly reported
• someone in the street put their house on the market
• random Facebook posts from people who claim to know somebody who knows something

Yep, pretty convincing case.

 

[BFew]

18 Benaroon Drive is on the corner of Ellendale Cres. and Benaroon Dr. below about 200m East of the FGM home.

 

[LRitz]

I think Chumley refers to him as the 'tennis player'.

Questions were also raised about a married couple in their late seventies who lived in Benaroon Drive. The woman recalled her surprise at her husband’s early return from tennis that day. Her husband, whom I will call the Tennis Player, awoke around seven. He donned his tennis shoes in the garage, reversed the car, drove to the Kendall General Store for a newspaper and arrived at the Kendall tennis courts at 8.10 am.​

​

From there, it gets complicated. The man said he played tennis until 10.15 am. He told police in his first interview that he left the courts and returned home. But in a second statement in 2015, he revised this timing after detectives presented him with CCTV footage in which his car was seen leaving earlier than he first said. Police recovered eight images timestamped between 9.32 and 9.34 am. ​

The camera’s timestamping was slow by nine minutes (an odd echo in this case), putting the Tennis Player’s departure at no later than 9.43. The man swears he didn’t reach his home, a two-minute drive away, until 10.15. ‘My husband got home from tennis about 10.20 am and I remember thinking that he was early home because he usually doesn’t get home until 11 am,’ his wife told police.​

​

Some people wondered where he was for that extra half-hour. Police certainly did.​

​

When asked about his early departure, the Tennis Player had different reasons on different occasions. Police were particularly interested in his claim of seeing Senior Constable Wendy Hudson receiving a call, which the man inferred was about a missing child. Hudson was not at the tennis club in a policing capacity, but because she has officiated at the tennis club for years.​

​

‘The reason I came to leave the tennis club,’ the Tennis Player said, ‘was that Wendy Hudson, who I knew was a police officer, received a telephone call on her mobile telephone. I saw her using the telephone. I am not sure where she was standing where she took the call. After Wendy finished the call I heard her say something to make me think there was a child missing. I cannot recall if she said where the child was missing from.’​

​

Wendy Hudson’s phone records confirm she did make a call at around ten o’clock, but by the Tennis Player’s timeframe, he had already left tennis by then.​

​

Here we find another example of a witness who seems to have made two errors: he couldn’t recall exactly when things occurred, which is understandable, and he conflated facts he knew before an incident with facts discovered afterwards. This was an infectious malady, it seems.​

​

So far, there has been no closure on three issues. First, exactly why did the man leave tennis early? Second, where are the corroborating – or conflicting – accounts from other players? And third, why did the Tennis Player insist he arrived home half an hour after leaving tennis, despite claiming he went straight home, a two-minute drive away? Nobody seems able to offer explanations.​

​

There would be multiple searches conducted around the immediate vicinity of the Benaroon Drive estate. The Tennis Player said that when police first searched his house he opened an access door under his verandah. But no one had opened any other doors or cupboards at the house. No one checked in the car. And William’s foster father was met with open hostility when he asked to look inside the man’s locked shed.​

​

So to answer the questions. Donoghue lived on Benaroon Drive (assuming he is the tennis player).
It's unclear if Wendy RECEIVED a phone call when Donoghue was at tennis. But she MADE a phone call after he left.
Donoghue says she RECEIVED a call - does this mean he HEARD the phone ring, or did he just assume it?

From SC W Hudson statement :

"At 12-21 pm on Friday 12th September, 2014 I was at home when my sister in-law xxx contact and informed me a 3 year old boy was missing in Kendall and they wanted help to search. I then contacted Senior Constable Chris Rowley on his mobile and he informed me thattherewasa3 yearoldmissingin BenaroonDrive, Kendall."

This is saying she was not at work and it was her sister in law that rang her and then she contacted SC Chris Rowley. She was not one of the first attenders at Benaroon drive at 11:00. She says she arrived at 12:25 with her sons to help with the search. She attends to help and even brings her sons as volunteers. So it does not make sense that she heard he was missing around 10:00. She used her phone at the tennis club but nothing to do with William.

 

[Underarrest_]

18 Benaroon Drive is on the corner of Ellendale Cres. and Benaroon Dr. below about 200m East of the FGM home.

View attachment 2164281

Thank you, I see now, on the corner where Benaroon and Ellendale meet (adjacent to the block FGM house is.)
I wonder if he saw any activity/anything suspicious on his way home

 

[31550]

From SC W Hudson statement :

"At 12-21 pm on Friday 12th September, 2014 I was at home when my sister in-law xxx contact and informed me a 3 year old boy was missing in Kendall and they wanted help to search. I then contacted Senior Constable Chris Rowley on his mobile and he informed me thattherewasa3 yearoldmissingin BenaroonDrive, Kendall."

This is saying she was not at work and it was her sister in law that rang her and then she contacted SC Chris Rowley. She was not one of the first attenders at Benaroon drive at 11:00. She says she arrived at 12:25 with her sons to help with the search. She attends to help and even brings her sons as volunteers. So it does not make sense that she heard he was missing around 10:00. She used her phone at the tennis club but nothing to do with William.

Have heard or read elsewhere that the phone call concerned another child. Don't know if Donoghue heard this and got confused or not. But still no reason for him to leave tennis early. And when did he really get home? Why did it take him so long? Did he have time to run William over, or pick him up and take him somewhere? Assume the police investigated him and searched his house eventually?

 

[Underarrest_]

Have heard or read elsewhere that the phone call concerned another child. Don't know if Donoghue heard this and got confused or not. But still no reason for him to leave tennis early. And when did he really get home? Why did it take him so long? Did he have time to run William over, or pick him up and take him somewhere? Assume the police investigated him and searched his house eventually?

Shows that it was definitely possible other people/cars were in the area and
how it’s possible William could have run down the slope never to be seen again.

 

[31550]

Shows that it was definitely possible other people/cars were in the area and
how it’s possible William could have run down the slope never to be seen again.

Except for the lack of scent trail detected by sniffer dogs.
And the FM account that William was only gone 5 minutes.
And Donoghue only drove to his own house, 200 metres short of FGM house.
And Donoghue had no time or place to hide William without being detected. Or motive for hiding him.
So still no cars or people in the area that did not live there or belong there, which is the suggestion.