Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[donwundermick]

Strange how all these businesses FF contacted all seem to be out of business now, I didn’t have much luck with Joy either from the Brody Corporation, there are a few abns for Brody in Qld, but they were mainly sole traders with business location changes, one with even a memorable date

Can you please elaborate on "one with even a memorable date"? I am curious.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Strange how all these businesses FF contacted all seem to be out of business now, I didn’t have much luck with Joy either from the Brody Corporation, there are a few abns for Brody in Qld, but they were mainly sole traders with business location changes, one with even a memorable date

Not so strange after covid closed many small (and larger) businesses down and never reopened.

 

[fazacs1]

Can you please elaborate on "one with even a memorable date"? I am curious.

Business location change 12 September, 2014

 

[fazacs1]

This teleconference is critical to FFs alibi - you would think that in the 8 years and between 3 lead investigators and the coroner it would have been verified by now?

I’m in no way doubting the teleconference, I was merely just suggesting that if it was a planned abduction, they are smart enough to know they would need an alibi, I don’t personally know their connections, friends group. I don’t know what they are capable of, WT went missing while in their care and no trace of him has ever been found, nothing, so I just like to explore all avenues and suggestions on here with like minded people

 

[31550]

I’m in no way doubting the teleconference, I was merely just suggesting that if it was a planned abduction, they are smart enough to know they would need an alibi, I don’t personally know their connections, friends group. I don’t know what they are capable of, WT went missing while in their care and no trace of him has ever been found, nothing, so I just like to explore all avenues and suggestions on here with like minded people

FF gave LE all the details of the teleconference. I agree that it almost certainly took place. It would have been too risky to make this alibi up.
What was never resolved (to my satisfaction) was if the teleconference was interactive, or whether FF just played a video. If it was proven to be interactive , and the attendees testified that they interacted with FF in real-time, then it's a watertight alibi for this time period. But we haven't seen proof of that. I would also be interested in whether geolocation of FF's device(s) was available during this time period. Has it been confirmed that his car, phone(s), and laptop were all in Laurieton at this time, and there was no other activity on these devices besides the teleconference and documented calls and texts?
If it turned out that the alleged attendees of the teleconference could not be identified or located, or did not actually exist, then that would have been a huge red flag back in 2014 and should not be an issue we are still talking about eight years later.

 

[stormbird]

FF gave LE all the details of the teleconference. I agree that it almost certainly took place. It would have been too risky to make this alibi up.
What was never resolved (to my satisfaction) was if the teleconference was interactive, or whether FF just played a video. If it was proven to be interactive , and the attendees testified that they interacted with FF in real-time, then it's a watertight alibi for this time period. But we haven't seen proof of that. I would also be interested in whether geolocation of FF's device(s) was available during this time period. Has it been confirmed that his car, phone(s), and laptop were all in Laurieton at this time, and there was no other activity on these devices besides the teleconference and documented calls and texts?
If it turned out that the alleged attendees of the teleconference could not be identified or located, or did not actually exist, then that would have been a huge red flag back in 2014 and should not be an issue we are still talking about eight years later.

If you've seen any of FF's police statements or phone records that refer to the online thing, what do they say? Thanks.

 

[donwundermick]

Business location change 12 September, 2014

Thanks fazacs1, that's good detective work. Massive coincidence as I believe FF updated the location of his abn on that day also. Worth a follow up if I was on the case. IMO

 

[31550]

If you've seen any of FF's police statements or phone records that refer to the online thing, what do they say? Thanks.

This is a section of the purported FF statement made 14 Sep 2014 (two days after William disappeared): It appears FF was looking at his phone or laptop or notebook and reading the details of the teleconference while he was being interviewed.

 

[31550]

Thanks fazacs1, that's good detective work. Massive coincidence as I believe FF updated the location of his abn on that day also. Worth a follow up if I was on the case. IMO

Please explain the relationship between a business address and a child's disappearance. How might they have anything at all to do with each other, and what bearing would changing a business address have on a child's disappearance, because I can't see any way these two things could be connected, sinsiter or innocent, other than pure coincidence that they are two days apart.

 

[DropBearess]

Please explain the relationship between a business address and a child's disappearance. How might they have anything at all to do with each other, and what bearing would changing a business address have on a child's disappearance, because I can't see any way these two things could be connected, sinsiter or innocent, other than pure coincidence that they are two days apart.

Oh for goodness sakes 31550! Posters here don't need to "please explain" anything. How rude! We are offering our points of view. The aim of crime forums is to pool information, knowledge, leads and collectively attempt to unearth info LE may have missed. Or maybe l've missed the point of being here.

I've avoided posting in this thread in recent weeks because l don't like seeing posters continually negated and at times interrogated. Put-downs discourage participation and l'm a bit over it. This is supposed to be a team game.

 

[Awakening]

I don’t believe the teleconference was a meeting with a group of people. I believe he is referring to a phone call he made to a singular client. A client he couldn’t recall. Might have been a FaceTime or equivalent but I don’t believe it was investigated properly at the time. Just my opinion.

 

[31550]

Oh for goodness sakes 31550! Posters here don't need to "please explain" anything. How rude! We are offering our points of view. The aim of crime forums is to pool information, knowledge, leads and collectively attempt to unearth info LE may have missed. Or maybe l've missed the point of being here.

I've avoided posting in this thread in recent weeks because l don't like seeing posters continually negated and at times interrogated. Put-downs discourage participation and l'm a bit over it. This is supposed to be a team game.

It wasn't intended to be a put down and sorry if it comes across that way. I just don't get the connection. What am I missing?

 

[donwundermick]

It wasn't intended to be a put down and sorry if it comes across that way. I just don't get the connection. What am I missing?

I said that I thought it was a massive coincidence. It made me curious. Is that OK with you? It doesn't make you curious. That's OK with me.

 

[stormbird]

Not about William's disappearance, but a side issue:

The Law Enforcement Conduct Commission has reopened an investigation into former police commissioner Mick Fuller, "reconsidering several of its findings in response to concerns raised by the new inspector of the commission, Bruce McClintock SC.

An ABC investigation revealed in February of this year [2022] that the 34-year veteran of the NSW Police had failed to declare his shares in racehorses, in potential breach of the force's code of conduct and the New South Wales government's anti-corruption rules.

Mr Fuller owned the racehorses with senior police, sporting identities, media bosses and businessmen, including two men who became suspects in criminal investigations.
...

Under the NSW Police code of conduct, employees are required to declare any private interests — including shareholdings and social activities — which could give rise to actual, potential or perceived conflicts of interest.

As commissioner, Mr Fuller was required to submit such a declaration at least once a year to the state government.

The ABC's investigation revealed he did not submit a declaration of interests until last year, his final year as commissioner, after he had given up his racehorse shares.

According to the Operation Kurumba report, Mr Fuller said he also submitted a declaration in 2017, the year he became commissioner, but neither the LECC nor the government could locate such a document."
...

"The LECC found there was 'considerable disharmony in the upper echelons of the NSW Police Force' when Mr Fuller became commissioner, and his attempts at reform provoked a bitter backlash."

- ABC News, 02 Nov 2022, bolded by me

 

[31550]

Not about William's disappearance, but a side issue:

The Law Enforcement Conduct Commission has reopened an investigation into former police commissioner Mick Fuller, "reconsidering several of its findings in response to concerns raised by the new inspector of the commission, Bruce McClintock SC.

An ABC investigation revealed in February of this year [2022] that the 34-year veteran of the NSW Police had failed to declare his shares in racehorses, in potential breach of the force's code of conduct and the New South Wales government's anti-corruption rules.

Mr Fuller owned the racehorses with senior police, sporting identities, media bosses and businessmen, including two men who became suspects in criminal investigations.
...

Under the NSW Police code of conduct, employees are required to declare any private interests — including shareholdings and social activities — which could give rise to actual, potential or perceived conflicts of interest.

As commissioner, Mr Fuller was required to submit such a declaration at least once a year to the state government.

The ABC's investigation revealed he did not submit a declaration of interests until last year, his final year as commissioner, after he had given up his racehorse shares.

According to the Operation Kurumba report, Mr Fuller said he also submitted a declaration in 2017, the year he became commissioner, but neither the LECC nor the government could locate such a document."
...

"The LECC found there was 'considerable disharmony in the upper echelons of the NSW Police Force' when Mr Fuller became commissioner, and his attempts at reform provoked a bitter backlash."

- ABC News, 02 Nov 2022, bolded by me

Maybe we need a Royal Commission into what all the 'Commissions' actually do?

 

[31550]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/bombshell-revelation-about-william-tyrrell-investigation-as-lead-cop-makes-claim-on-foster-mum/news-story/b3d0b51905136445a5fa59705777d0bf

“I’ve formed the view that (the foster mother) knows where William Tyrrell is,” Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan told the court.

 

[BFew]

 

[JWS2019]

This sounds dreadful... yes I’ve been spanked by a wooden spoon! But this is awful definite no for raising children in this decade. Also To outright say I think she knows is a strong statement...
Poor William. Glad any children in care where removed.

 

[Awakening]

A detective surely wouldn’t say this in court unless they had stuff on her.

 

[SquiffyRae]

That is a huge accusation. As in "get the pants sued off you if it was ever proven wrong" kind of accusation.

Hopefully it's an accusation made with some evidence behind it

 

[Lady O]

A detective surely wouldn’t say this in court unless they had stuff on her.

Hopefully, we aren't being misled by the media.

"Under cross examination from defence barrister John Stratton, a senior Detective on the investigation told the court that he believed that the foster mother was aware of where William was buried.

“I’ve formed the view that (the foster mother) knows where William Tyrrell is,” Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan told the court."

The journalist says buried and then he quotes the Det Sgt Lonergan saying where WT is.

Buried means WT is deceased. Is means that he is still alive. Which is it??

 

[Awakening]

Hopefully, we aren't being misled by the media.

"Under cross examination from defence barrister John Stratton, a senior Detective on the investigation told the court that he believed that the foster mother was aware of where William was buried.

“I’ve formed the view that (the foster mother) knows where William Tyrrell is,” Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan told the court."

The journalist says buried and then he quotes the Det Sgt Lonergan saying where WT is.

Buried means WT is deceased. Is means that he is still alive. Which is it??

If she knows where William is: buried, dead, alive, whatever, then that is a huge thing for the detective to say.

It means she was involved or knows who is.

 

[Awakening]

She knows where he is buried.

That’s how I interpret it.

 

[SquiffyRae]

You could still use is to describe her having knowledge of where William's remains are as they are currently somewhere.

Saying "where William is" covers all bases - alive, buried, disposed of by other means etc.

 

[31550]

Is anyone able to confirm the rumours that Insight Communications (Clare and Alice Collins), who I believe also run the Where's William website accompanied FM to court today?