Division 3 - 2015

[table tennis]

Having been involved with banyule in the VAFA for 25 years. The move to NFL had to be made. The main reason for moving was the loss of young players, however, in most cases this was due to players not wanting to travel. In 2014 we had 7 games more than 40 minutes away.
We have a very strong junior club with over 350 registered players, however, once the kids get to 17 - 18 the local clubs swarm on us as they know that the kids want to play locally.
Last year we would get 20 - 25 each night during pre season, this year we are averaging over 55 - 60. A number of players have come back and the juniors are now staying. In the long term if we hadn't of moved then we would have folded.

I'm tipping if you if players pockets were getting lined, travel would be zero factor.

Blokes are travelling all over the state for coins, and banyule worried by a 40 min drive?

Give me a spell.

Every player uses the travel excuses when they leave. It just sounds much better than saying "I'm taking the cash".

Good luck to Banyule at the bottom of div 3. Don't spend all your dimes at once.

 

[oldtimer]

I'm tipping if you if players pockets were getting lined, travel would be zero factor.

Blokes are travelling all over the state for coins, and banyule worried by a 40 min drive?

Give me a spell.

Every player uses the travel excuses when they leave. It just sounds much better than saying "I'm taking the cash".

Good luck to Banyule at the bottom of div 3. Don't spend all your dimes at once.

You have noticed misread my comment. You answered my point in your first sentence. Of course if their was payment players would travel.
We weren't paying so no they won't travel from North to peninsula, clayton, ormond, Hampton, park dale, etc
Our club is also made of 90% tradies then of course travel will be a factor as even if not getting paid they can work in morning then head to footy especially for reserve players.
However, as mentioned our number one reason for moving was the ability of clubs in the area to take our young kids. We have 5 clubs paying money within a 1.5km radius of our club.

 

[trucka]

You have noticed misread my comment. You answered my point in your first sentence. Of course if their was payment players would travel.
We weren't paying so no they won't travel from North to peninsula, clayton, ormond, Hampton, park dale, etc
Our club is also made of 90% tradies then of course travel will be a factor as even if not getting paid they can work in morning then head to footy especially for reserve players.
However, as mentioned our number one reason for moving was the ability of clubs in the area to take our young kids. We have 5 clubs paying money within a 1.5km radius of our club.

I'm a little confused. Was your number one reason for moving comps because of travel or the loss of young players to coin? I'm guessing if you are not paying them now, you will still loose them to clubs willing to offer them money.

 

[table tennis]

I'm a little confused. Was your number one reason for moving comps because of travel or the loss of young players to coin? I'm guessing if you are not paying them now, you will still loose them to clubs willing to offer them money.

Put it better than I did

 

[bigwaz]

Waz, fair chance as a centrally located club you may find Richmond in the East Comp one year, the North the next, following season playing mostly Western Suburbs teams and so on. Instead of having continuity and building up rivalries, you could be filling the gaps to the Shizenhausen.

This is true... and also a problem for Hawthorn, Swinburne, Old Geelong, MHSOB, Albert Park, Powerhouse, AJAX, etc..

 

[table tennis]

This is true... and also a problem for Hawthorn, Swinburne, Old Geelong, MHSOB, Albert Park, Powerhouse, AJAX, etc..

Can't want to see old Geelong vs Chadstone.......
Whitefriars vs Mr.Lilydale & Williamstown vs Nth Brunswick

 

[bigwaz]

More likely you will see SFX v chad stone. Point cook v powerhouse.

 

[zeroseven]

More likely you will see SFX v chad stone. Point cook v powerhouse.

And you voted for that??? Show a basic lack of Football understanding of battling clubs [you have easily forgotten Rich Centrals struggles - sure you would have loved playing against strong Div 2 teams when you were bottom Div 4!]

 

[dougy58]

The funniest part about the email i received from the VAFA is it asked from which put onwards renationalisation should start. It gave options from A grade , B grade, C grade, or D1 down. Could you guys imagine if they decided to regionalise the whole comp? it would be bedlam, even if the east, south, north, and west were cut into 2 divisions each, you may earn promotion in the lower grade, then get beat by 300 points a week by old xavs, old trinity, St Bernards etc the next year. It's farcical, even if you were a d1 club under this system there would be limited scope to ascend through the comp because whenever you step up the grade, you get hammered and players lose interest. VAFA catering to the few( South Mornington, Werribee, point cook etc) at the expense of many, Disaster if it goes through.

 

[bigwaz]

And you voted for that??? Show a basic lack of Football understanding of battling clubs [you have easily forgotten Rich Centrals struggles - sure you would have loved playing against strong Div 2 teams when you were bottom Div 4!]

Is SFX any better than Hawthorn? Probably not. Is Eley Park a better side now than they were in D4? Not necessarily. Will west Brunswick suddenly become a powerhouse now that they're promoted? The Blues weren't smashing sides in d4 and now they're in D2.

 

[Mounzer11]

Is SFX any better than Hawthorn? Probably not. Is Eley Park a better side now than they were in D4? Not necessarily. Will west Brunswick suddenly become a powerhouse now that they're promoted? The Blues weren't smashing sides in d4 and now they're in D2.

Based on last years form and from what I saw, Therry and Williamstown would have beaten Hawthorn and West Brunswick by about 40 goals.
Is this what you want?

 

[bigwaz]

That's not going to happen though is it? Basically it's a merging of d3 and d4 at the lower end.

 

[Mounzer11]

That's not going to happen though is it? Basically it's a merging of d3 and d4 at the lower end.

Not sure about that Waz, I believe they are seriously looking at it from D1 down.

 

[bigwaz]

Not sure about that Waz, I believe they are seriously looking at it from D1 down.

Yes. But basically d1 and d2 will be merged then split into regions as the top tiers. D3 and d4 will be split into the bottom tiers.

Let's not forget most of the other paid leagues only have 3 divisions. The discrepancies of talent must be enormous.

 

[Mounzer11]

Yes. But basically d1 and d2 will be merged then split into regions as the top tiers. D3 and d4 will be split into the bottom tiers.

Let's not forget most of the other paid leagues only have 3 divisions. The discrepancies of talent must be enormous.

That's a little more sensible. But still, I can't work out for the life of me why a 40 minute drive is suddenly untenable.

 

[bigwaz]

It's more about growing the VaFa than it is about reducing travel times. A stronger, bigger league with better teams is better for everyone involved.

 

[Mounzer11]

It's more about growing the VaFa than it is about reducing travel times. A stronger, bigger league with better teams is better for everyone involved.

I'm not sure how this would achieve that.
Does the VAFA actually think a team like a Scoresby (for example) would want to cross to the VAFA due to the lower operating costs if promotion up the grades was a little easier?? Does the comp want or really need teams like that??
If this is the case, the VAFA would become a place where suburban teams can ride out the storm, regroup and then head back to where they want to be.

 

[local footy fan]

Yes. But basically d1 and d2 will be merged then split into regions as the top tiers. D3 and d4 will be split into the bottom tiers.

Let's not forget most of the other paid leagues only have 3 divisions. The discrepancies of talent must be enormous.

this idea would be a fantastic way of redoing the lower grades it would still mean you have a good chance of winning each week and less travel which might help tip some talent to the district sides that don't have the old boy network of the a /b grade school boy clubs. Its worth a look at as you might be able to get a few more sides coming over to the ammos as well with less travel involved.

 

[bigwaz]

Here's another way to look at it...

Lets say:
D1 has A, B and C quality teams.
D2 has B, C and D
D3 has C, D and E
D4 has D, E and F

This assumes that the middle teams of each division are about the same quality as the top teams from the division below...I think that's fair.

If we restructure to 2 regional groups... You have A, B, C and D in the top level, and C, D, E and F in the bottom level.

What that means is that in the new system, F clubs would have to face C instead of D. That is the only difference.

 

[trucka]

this idea would be a fantastic way of redoing the lower grades it would still mean you have a good chance of winning each week and less travel which might help tip some talent to the district sides that don't have the old boy network of the a /b grade school boy clubs. Its worth a look at as you might be able to get a few more sides coming over to the ammos as well with less travel involved.

And you will also loose sides because of the uneven competition.

 

[bundles]

Here's another way to look at it...

Lets say:
D1 has A, B and C quality teams.
D2 has B, C and D
D3 has C, D and E
D4 has D, E and F

This assumes that the middle teams of each division are about the same quality as the top teams from the division below...I think that's fair.

If we restructure to 2 regional groups... You have A, B, C and D in the top level, and C, D, E and F in the bottom level.

What that means is that in the new system, F clubs would have to face C instead of D. That is the only difference.

You've lost all credibility with that post. D1 with a b and c quality?? The best team in d3 would get totally smashed by the bottom team in c, probably the bottom side in D.

 

[Canada]

You've lost all credibility with that post. D1 with a b and c quality?? The best team in d3 would get totally smashed by the bottom team in c, probably the bottom side in D.

You misunderstood him. He is only talking about the quality of D teams. D1 having the better quality. A, B and C nothing to do with Premier A, B and C.

 

[local footy fan]

And you will also loose sides because of the uneven competition.

you might loose a side or two but on the other side of the coin those side struggling to get decent players might pick up a few and turn the club around.
Decent players do not want to play in the 7th grade of any comp but as regional division E.G east west north and south might help as there would be less stigma attached to playing an the lowest grade and more positive spin could be put on playing in a regional division.

 

[Mounzer11]

you might loose a side or two but on the other side of the coin those side struggling to get decent players might pick up a few and turn the club around.
Decent players do not want to play in the 7th grade of any comp but as regional division E.G east west north and south might help as there would be less stigma attached to playing an the lowest grade and more positive spin could be put on playing in a regional division.

I think you forget that players need to find their level also. The Divisions provides players with an opportunity to play at their appropriate level. Combining the levels could make some players feel out of their depth and will probably lose them to competitive football.
I know of quite a few players who play at a D3 club because they are able to play in the 1s and can compete with their opponents. They have come down from the higher grades because it was just too good for them.

 

[Chazz M Michaels]

I think you forget that players need to find their level also. The Divisions provides players with an opportunity to play at their appropriate level. Combining the levels could make some players feel out of their depth and will probably lose them to competitive football.
I know of quite a few players who play at a D3 club because they are able to play in the 1s and can compete with their opponents. They have come down from the higher grades because it was just too good for them.

So these players don't want to play reserves in say a D1 or Premier C competition with the hope of improving themselves?

You might find the reverse applies, where a player may not wish to play in at a D3/D4 club because they are in that division so goes and plays D1/PremC reserves trying to push for senior selection.