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I would be surprised if melbourne arent looking at caddy too but thats fair.
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Traded Dogs trade #10, #17 and F1 to Gold Coast for #4, #46, #51 and F3
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I would be surprised if melbourne arent looking at caddy too but thats fair.
He costs additional picks in points to the 3 you already gave up.
We have enough points right now to match a bid at 10. That's before GC have to match multiple players before Croft bringing our picks in a bit as well
We will get a pick for Jordan Sweet going to Port to pay for any trades as well
Yes, but all that is in addition to the 3 firsts given up for pick 4
What are you on about ... we got some third rounders from GC to help pay for Croft and one for next year.
This trade is hardly as bad as people with no idea are making out. We'll end up with at least 1 first rounder next year and wouldn't be surprised if it is multiple
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AA team small fwds for the last 10 years;
2023 Cameron originally selected in the rookie draft
2022 Stengle originally selected in the rookie draft
2021 Papley originally selected in the rookie draft
2020 Ryan originally selected at pick 26 (RD 2)
2019 Cameron originally selected in the rookie draft
2018 Breust originally selected in the rookie draft
2015-17 Betts originally selected in the PSD
2014 Ballantyne originally selected at pick 21 (RD 2)
Ryan had been the leading goalkicker in the WAFL (73 goals from 23 games)
Ballantyne had kicked 75 goals in a season at WAFL level and won the Sandover Medal
Now yep relatively weak draft, yep Croft F/S bidding needs to be considered, but if the WBDogs have given up 3 1st rd picks with the intention of taking a 170cm small fwd, who hasn't shown any great ability to play in other roles, then it makes zero sense to me.
If they wanted to get out of the 1st rd this year then surely 10 & 17 could be traded out for points this year and/or picks in next year's draft.
To go all in on a small fwd when history shows they can be picked up cheaply much later in the draft is, as Sir Humphrey might say, very brave.
2023 Cameron originally selected in the rookie draft
2022 Stengle originally selected in the rookie draft
2021 Papley originally selected in the rookie draft
2020 Ryan originally selected at pick 26 (RD 2)
2019 Cameron originally selected in the rookie draft
2018 Breust originally selected in the rookie draft
2015-17 Betts originally selected in the PSD
2014 Ballantyne originally selected at pick 21 (RD 2)
Ryan had been the leading goalkicker in the WAFL (73 goals from 23 games)
Ballantyne had kicked 75 goals in a season at WAFL level and won the Sandover Medal
Now yep relatively weak draft, yep Croft F/S bidding needs to be considered, but if the WBDogs have given up 3 1st rd picks with the intention of taking a 170cm small fwd, who hasn't shown any great ability to play in other roles, then it makes zero sense to me.
If they wanted to get out of the 1st rd this year then surely 10 & 17 could be traded out for points this year and/or picks in next year's draft.
To go all in on a small fwd when history shows they can be picked up cheaply much later in the draft is, as Sir Humphrey might say, very brave.
You could do the same thing with intercepting defenders using Tom Stewart and Jeremy McGovern. The same argument used to be made about not taking ruckmen early back when Tim English and Brodie Grundy slid until late in the first round.
You also weirdly left off the best small forward to make AA in that period, Cyril Rioli, who was drafted at 12. The same pick as Kozzie Pickett, coincidentally. Not to mention Toby Greene.
Anyway, despite all that, you’re actually not far off getting the actual lesson. If their draft years were re-drafted, where would each of those players you listed go?
No, we effectively split pick 17, which will be pushed back into the 20s and then spent on Croft (along with pick 38), into two thirds this year and an F3. We’ll still spend pick 38 on Croft, but also using the GC thirds and later picks instead of 17, and have an extra F3.
We also avoided the risk of pick 10 being wasted on matching a Croft bid.
Not at all. Essentially it’s 17 for 3 x 3rd rounders to pay for Croft and 10 & F1 for pick 4.
Deal is even better if you look at the end result, consider how the picks will be pushed back and assume Croft is bid around 15:
In: 6 & 15 (Croft)
Out: 13, 23, F1
They are happy with the discount.
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
Great deal for the Suns. No idea what the Dogs are doing.
10 & F1 for 4 and splitting 17 for later picks to match a bid for Croft, which we would have needed to do regardless. What’s hard to understand about that?
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
But the f1 will be like pick 5 or 6
Surely they could have just traded 10 and 17 for a pick in front of the bid, then cobbled together 3rd rounders from their trades to match? Just given their first rounder next year away for hardly anything... Horrible trade.
Let me know what the lotto numbers will be for tonight too please.
Libbaaaa
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Keep in mind the journo is a Dogs fan but I think his take is pretty fair. Although us being in the flag mix is probably a stretch given the past few years.
DOGS’ ‘SMART BUSINESS’ TO ATTACK FRONT-LOADED DRAFT
– Sam Landsberger
It was the swap of precious picks that will appear considerably more appealing by the time round one of the national draft is in the books on November 20.
The flinch reaction from some Western Bulldogs supporters when the club’s first trade was lodged on Monday was one of disbelief.
They could not understand why picks 10, 17 and the club’s first-round pick in the 2024 draft were all sold for Gold Coast’s prized No. 4 selection.
Three first-rounders for one? What were they thinking?
But this was smart business by Bulldogs list boss Sam Power. First of all, there are first-rounders and then there are first-rounders — and picks 10 and 17 will look far less attractive come draft night.
By the time compensation selections for free agents Ben McKay and Jade Gresham are fed into the draft order and then bids are matched for Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers (Suns), Jordan Croft (Dogs) and maybe Will McCabe those picks will hold far less currency.
Pick 10 is likely to become No. 13 or 14 while pick 17 could become No. 23 or 24, which is the equivalent of a first-round selection ordered off Wish.
The Dogs’ new No. 4 pick will also be bumped – but probably only by two places to No.6. That will grant the Dogs access to one of Nick Watson, Zane Duursma, Colby McKercher or Ryley Sanders.
The Dogs rate the pointy end of this year’s draft extremely highly and so they are certain to once again secure a star of the future.
Last year St Kilda bemoaned its lack of access to the country’s top teenagers.
“We‘ve got some emerging guns of the competition … but we need more,“ he said at the start of trade period,” then-list boss James Gallagher said.
“Hence the really strong interest in (Jordan) De Goey. Typically your gun midfielders, your champion and your star midfielders, come in the first four, five, six picks of the draft.”
But the Dogs have drafted Tim English, Aaron Naughton, Bailey Smith, Cody Weightman, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Sam Darcy, Jedd Busslinger with their first pick over the past seven drafts and that will become eight from eight when a Watson or Sanders walks into Whitten Oval next month. That player will be partnered by father-son prospect Croft.
A bid on the athletic swingman could’ve come before pick No. 10 and would’ve come before pick No. 17 — so the Dogs simply had to shift those selections anyway.
Otherwise they were at risk of getting chewed up by matching the bid for Croft. The Dogs also secured picks 46 and 51 from Gold Coast, which means the Dogs can easily match a bid wherever it lands. They also hold No. 38.
And when faces replace numbers this trade will read one of Watson, McKercher, Sanders or Duursma and Croft for two first-rounders as well as one of the selections received for Josh Dunkley.
By he time the bids are made it could be, say, Watson and Croft for pick 13, 24 and next year’s first-rounder.
That is a shrewd move and it also showed the Bulldogs mean business in 2024.
Entering next season without a first-round pick indicates they expect to bounce back into September after a scratchy season was spoiled by a shock loss to wooden-spooner West Coast this year.
Let’s cut to the chase. Powerbrokers at the Dogs believe they have a top-four list and right now they hold a top-four pick.
It is rare for a club in immediate pursuit of a premiership to hold such a precious pick
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
Keep in mind the journo is a Dogs fan but I think his take is pretty fair.
DOGS’ ‘SMART BUSINESS’ TO ATTACK FRONT-LOADED DRAFT
– Sam Landsberger
It was the swap of precious picks that will appear considerably more appealing by the time round one of the national draft is in the books on November 20.
The flinch reaction from some Western Bulldogs supporters when the club’s first trade was lodged on Monday was one of disbelief.
They could not understand why picks 10, 17 and the club’s first-round pick in the 2024 draft were all sold for Gold Coast’s prized No. 4 selection.
Three first-rounders for one? What were they thinking?
But this was smart business by Bulldogs list boss Sam Power. First of all, there are first-rounders and then there are first-rounders — and picks 10 and 17 will look far less attractive come draft night.
By the time compensation selections for free agents Ben McKay and Jade Gresham are fed into the draft order and then bids are matched for Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers (Suns), Jordan Croft (Dogs) and maybe Will McCabe those picks will hold far less currency.
Pick 10 is likely to become No. 13 or 14 while pick 17 could become No. 23 or 24, which is the equivalent of a first-round selection ordered off Wish.
The Dogs’ new No. 4 pick will also be bumped – but probably only by two places to No.6.
That will grant the Dogs access to one of Nick Watson, Zane Duursma, Colby McKercher or Ryley Sanders.
The Dogs rate the pointy end of this year’s draft extremely highly and so they are certain to once again secure a star of the future.
Last year St Kilda bemoaned its lack of access to the country’s top teenagers.
“We‘ve got some emerging guns of the competition … but we need more,“ he said at the start of trade period,” then-list boss James Gallagher said.
“Hence the really strong interest in (Jordan) De Goey. Typically your gun midfielders, your champion and your star midfielders, come in the first four, five, six picks of the draft.”
But the Dogs have drafted Tim English, Aaron Naughton, Bailey Smith, Cody Weightman, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Sam Darcy, Jedd Busslinger with their first pick over the past seven drafts and that will become eight from eight when a Watson or Sanders walks into Whitten Oval next month.
That player will be partnered by father-son prospect Croft.
A bid on the athletic swingman could’ve come before pick No. 10 and would’ve come before pick No. 17 — so the Dogs simply had to shift those selections anyway.
Otherwise they were at risk of getting chewed up by matching the bid for Croft.
The Dogs also secured picks 46 and 51 from Gold Coast, which means the Dogs can easily match a bid wherever it lands. They also hold No. 38.
And when faces replace numbers this trade will read one of Watson, McKercher, Sanders or Duursma and Croft for two first-rounders as well as one of the selections received for Josh Dunkley.
By he time the bids are made it could be, say, Watson and Croft for pick 13, 24 and next year’s first-rounder.
That is a shrewd move and it also showed the Bulldogs mean business in 2024.
Entering next season without a first-round pick indicates they expect to bounce back into September after a scratchy season was spoiled by a shock loss to wooden-spooner West Coast this year.
Let’s cut to the chase. Powerbrokers at the Dogs believe they have a top-four list and right now they hold a top-four pick.
It is rare for a club in immediate pursuit of a premiership to hold such a precious pick
Libba I love you, but I’m not reading that. So I’m happy for you or sad that happened to you.
We also get Coffield with one of the gold coast picks , probably f3rdKeep in mind the journo is a Dogs fan but I think his take is pretty fair. Although us being in the flag mix is probably a stretch given the past few years.
DOGS’ ‘SMART BUSINESS’ TO ATTACK FRONT-LOADED DRAFT
– Sam Landsberger
It was the swap of precious picks that will appear considerably more appealing by the time round one of the national draft is in the books on November 20.
The flinch reaction from some Western Bulldogs supporters when the club’s first trade was lodged on Monday was one of disbelief.
They could not understand why picks 10, 17 and the club’s first-round pick in the 2024 draft were all sold for Gold Coast’s prized No. 4 selection.
Three first-rounders for one? What were they thinking?
But this was smart business by Bulldogs list boss Sam Power. First of all, there are first-rounders and then there are first-rounders — and picks 10 and 17 will look far less attractive come draft night.
By the time compensation selections for free agents Ben McKay and Jade Gresham are fed into the draft order and then bids are matched for Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers (Suns), Jordan Croft (Dogs) and maybe Will McCabe those picks will hold far less currency.
Pick 10 is likely to become No. 13 or 14 while pick 17 could become No. 23 or 24, which is the equivalent of a first-round selection ordered off Wish.
The Dogs’ new No. 4 pick will also be bumped – but probably only by two places to No.6. That will grant the Dogs access to one of Nick Watson, Zane Duursma, Colby McKercher or Ryley Sanders.
The Dogs rate the pointy end of this year’s draft extremely highly and so they are certain to once again secure a star of the future.
Last year St Kilda bemoaned its lack of access to the country’s top teenagers.
“We‘ve got some emerging guns of the competition … but we need more,“ he said at the start of trade period,” then-list boss James Gallagher said.
“Hence the really strong interest in (Jordan) De Goey. Typically your gun midfielders, your champion and your star midfielders, come in the first four, five, six picks of the draft.”
But the Dogs have drafted Tim English, Aaron Naughton, Bailey Smith, Cody Weightman, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Sam Darcy, Jedd Busslinger with their first pick over the past seven drafts and that will become eight from eight when a Watson or Sanders walks into Whitten Oval next month. That player will be partnered by father-son prospect Croft.
A bid on the athletic swingman could’ve come before pick No. 10 and would’ve come before pick No. 17 — so the Dogs simply had to shift those selections anyway.
Otherwise they were at risk of getting chewed up by matching the bid for Croft. The Dogs also secured picks 46 and 51 from Gold Coast, which means the Dogs can easily match a bid wherever it lands. They also hold No. 38.
And when faces replace numbers this trade will read one of Watson, McKercher, Sanders or Duursma and Croft for two first-rounders as well as one of the selections received for Josh Dunkley.
By he time the bids are made it could be, say, Watson and Croft for pick 13, 24 and next year’s first-rounder.
That is a shrewd move and it also showed the Bulldogs mean business in 2024.
Entering next season without a first-round pick indicates they expect to bounce back into September after a scratchy season was spoiled by a shock loss to wooden-spooner West Coast this year.
Let’s cut to the chase. Powerbrokers at the Dogs believe they have a top-four list and right now they hold a top-four pick.
It is rare for a club in immediate pursuit of a premiership to hold such a precious pick
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
Just saying. Doggies paid more for pick 4 than we paid for Dunkley and Ashcroft combined.
Iva Bigun
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Most dogs supporters and Suns supporters are happy with the trade so in the end that’s all that counts
lol and you paid more for Dunkley than we paid for Dunkley and we won a flag the next season and you didn’t.
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
But before that Lewis Taylor won the rising star. Checkmate.
Pick 4 and croft
There has been no greater injustice in the history of the game.
