List Mgmt. Draft 2018: Lions 1st (5), Power 1st (10), Hawks 1st (15)

[Ateen7tee]

Agreed, those deals are not even nearly enough for those sort of pick downgrades.

Remember what the Saints list manager said:

I thinly veiled suggestion stating pick 5 may be used on king might also affect proceeding..

 

[scottjr]

If there are no good KPDs in the main draft I'd sign Hugh Goddard and draft a rookie KPD.

Ben King is a good KPD.

There at 10 would go down as the greatest steal of all time.

 

[Nater]

Agreed, those deals are not even nearly enough for those sort of pick downgrades.

Remember what the Saints list manager said:

Well reports are they the suns wanted back into the top 10 to grab Caldwell who will most likely still be a live selection at 8. 8 and 21 for 6 is massive overs for the Crows about 600 points or pick 26 for free.

As is pick 4 for 6 and 13 which is about 900 points over or pick 20. Especially seeing as it would give those clubs a reasonable idea of how the draft will look.

And the saints second pick isn't until 36 which will fall into the 40s after bids

 

[Ateen7tee]

Well reports are they the suns wanted back into the top 10 to grab Caldwell who will most likely still be a live selection at 8. 8 and 21 for 6 is massive overs for the Crows about 600 points or pick 26 for free.

As is pick 4 for 6 and 13 which is about 900 points over or pick 20. Especially seeing as it would give those clubs a reasonable idea of how the draft will look.

And the saints second pick isn't until 36 which will fall into the 40s after bids

I pretty sure that teams stop giving a rats about a stupid points system at this stage, now that they can see the human flesh that may be available at said picks.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Ben King is a good KPD.

There at 10 would go down as the greatest steal of all time.

The greatest steal of all time?

Greater than Robbie Gray at #55? Janes Hird at #79? Dean Cox in the rookie draft?

Carn.

 

[DaTBird187]

Big swimming and **** fan, is he?

It's the soundtrack to the summer.

 

[philthy05]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Crows tempt the saints and suns into a pick swap seeing the saints go down to 6 and the suns to 8 and with the suns reportedly keen on Caldwell I can see them doing that

Leave a top 10 at
Walsh
Lukosius
Roezee
Rankine
Max king / bailey Smith for us at 5
Max king / bailey Smith / Ben king saints at 6
Whoever left over out of that trio for the dogs
Caldwell
Clark
Hately for us at 10

Is be happy with a max king and Jackson hately combo

Well reports are they the suns wanted back into the top 10 to grab Caldwell who will most likely still be a live selection at 8. 8 and 21 for 6 is massive overs for the Crows about 600 points or pick 26 for free.

As is pick 4 for 6 and 13 which is about 900 points over or pick 20. Especially seeing as it would give those clubs a reasonable idea of how the draft will look.

And the saints second pick isn't until 36 which will fall into the 40s after bids

If gcs were keen on Caldwell trading down probably isn’t a safe bet. He could slide out of the top 10 but I can’t say whether the dogs would take him at 7 or not. He would be a great fit for them.

 

[scottjr]

The greatest steal of all time?

Greater than Robbie Gray at #55? Janes Hird at #79? Dean Cox in the rookie draft?

Carn.

Time will tell. He can play. It would be ridiculous for him to be there.

 

[Chrizzt]

The greatest steal of all time?

Greater than Robbie Gray at #55? Janes Hird at #79? Dean Cox in the rookie draft?

Carn.

Just the concept of being a steal at 10 is silly

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Well reports are they the suns wanted back into the top 10 to grab Caldwell who will most likely still be a live selection at 8. 8 and 21 for 6 is massive overs for the Crows about 600 points or pick 26 for free.

As is pick 4 for 6 and 13 which is about 900 points over or pick 20. Especially seeing as it would give those clubs a reasonable idea of how the draft will look.

And the saints second pick isn't until 36 which will fall into the 40s after bids

Points are just something that fans talk about. Saints list manager has already said there is a discernible difference between 4 and 5 then 6 and 7. Saints know they will miss out on Max King at 6 and most draft watchers have them heavily into him. So essentially they give him up for a pick in the teens. That is not a spectacular offer.

Jye Caldwell is strongly tipped to be in the Dogs' sights. That's why Gold Coast traded down to pick 6, to be sure of getting him. So they will essentially trade out the player they are keen on for a pick in the 20s.

We gave up something around the worth of pick 20 during the trade period to get pick 6 and Freo only did that trade to get other trades done. That's why we went hard and fast at that pick.

Getting something done on picks alone is going to be a Herculean task. I'm not convinced the crows want to torch themselves like a Buddhist monk to get one egg in the basket. Maybe they would do it for Lukosius, but that's going to take convincing Gold Coast to part with pick 2 at the very least. Good luck with that.

 

[shewho]

I know the convention between recruiters until now is to be pretty open with each other about their likely choices. Recruiting has been far more "co-operative" than fans think until now.

Live trading may change that but I suspect it will be a year or two before recruiters become totally "cloak and dagger" about it. Old habits die hard. And being open and honest can benefit both clubs.

If we get a chance this year to ask questions of our recruiters, I will ask if clubs are still open or if the cards are much closer to the chest now.

Clubs who move top ten picks have a particular target in mind. Our deal with Sydney a few years back showed we knew exactly where SPP and Marshall would go.

 

[philthy05]

I think live trading will rarely happen in the 1st round. Now or in the future.

But I suspect lots of mid to late pick swaps could happen as draft boards start to wildly separate and recruiters are willing to trade for or shed picks.


That’s why in the future I’m very much pro stockpiling 3rd rounders. Unsure how it will play out but there is the opportunity to benefit from live trading by trading in or out of picks if you have picks in the right places.

 

[Visenfest]

I thinly veiled suggestion stating pick 5 may be used on king might also affect proceeding..

The Saints would call our bluff on that. Nobody would remotely believe we plan to take a King twin with pick 5. We've made it pretty obvious Rankine is the one we want.

 

[Coobk001]

I firmly believe draft pick points are a good valuation tool, except when it comes to those top 5-8 picks, the values are just too skewed for these picks due to a few reasons such as, those players have higher potential to become those superstar/franchise players which brings immeasurable benefits, the marketability factors that come with the real high picks, and lastly the key factor is that clubs usually know exactly what player they might get with those picks so they can actually put a real player value in their heads for a pick trade in that range.

 

[Daylight2nd]

St Kilda has had discussions with Port and the crows about pick 4.

Saints list manager James Gallagher said the Saints would not trade down to pick 8.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/spor...r/news-story/8652dfcd4bd5aee76e30d552ba414666



He thinks there is a discernible difference between 4 and 5 and 6 and 7. Again appears to confirm thoughts that no club will consider trading out of the top 6. Maybe within.

I suspect the Saints would be very keen on 5 and 10 to get both Kings. But what would we get back apart from pick 4?

Pick 3 might be the biggie if Port really wants Rankine. On draft night if Carlton take Walsh, Gold Coast go Lukosius, would Port offer Gold Coast pick 5 and 15 to secure Rankine at 3? Gold Coast will probably accept as should get Rozee at 5 with a bonus pick at 15 . Don't think Rankine will get to 4 or 5 given the hype.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Why are some people still talking about pick 6? We traded that to Brisbane. Who on traded to GC.

 

[FallingLiefs]

I firmly believe draft pick points are a good valuation tool, except when it comes to those top 5-8 picks, the values are just too skewed for these picks due to a few reasons such as, those players have higher potential to become those superstar/franchise players which brings immeasurable benefits, the marketability factors that come with the real high picks, and lastly the key factor is that clubs usually know exactly what player they might get with those picks so they can actually put a real player value in their heads for a pick trade in that range.

Yep on average the numbers are good. But once you apply a player or set of players to the draft pool it can greatly change its value. It’s no longer a law of averages as it’s not random. It can effect the lower picks too, in even draft crops there should be a premium on picks in the teens. In high quality too end years you have to pay extra for 1-6.

 

[chiwigi]

Pick 3 might be the biggie if Port really wants Rankine. On draft night if Carlton take Walsh, Gold Coast go Lukosius, would Port offer Gold Coast pick 5 and 15 to secure Rankine at 3? Gold Coast will probably accept as should get Rozee at 5 with a bonus pick at 15 . Don't think Rankine will get to 4 or 5 given the hype.

I bloody hope not!

 

[Coobk001]

Why are some people still talking about pick 6? We traded that to Brisbane. Who on traded to GC.

The talk is that the Saints aren't happy to slide all the way from pick 4 down to the Crows pick 8, so for the Crows to turn pick 8 into pick 4, they'd probably have to work a deal where the Saints slide from 4 to 6, and Gold Coast from 6 to 8.

I can't see how they'll convince StK and GC to make that sort of trade though, without it costing the Crows an absolute fortune just for 1 pick.

 

[Coobk001]

Pick 3 might be the biggie if Port really wants Rankine. On draft night if Carlton take Walsh, Gold Coast go Lukosius, would Port offer Gold Coast pick 5 and 15 to secure Rankine at 3? Gold Coast will probably accept as should get Rozee at 5 with a bonus pick at 15 . Don't think Rankine will get to 4 or 5 given the hype.

GC wont accept it.

GC don't need more picks, they need better value picks, or high picks next year.

Give GC Pick 5 and our 1st next year and they might do the deal. The risk is our first next year could well be a top 6 pick.

Before the draft GC have brought 7 players in already. 7!!!!

They have only lost 9 from their list. They still have to delist 1 player to even be able to use pick 6, let alone 24 and 29.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Pick 3 might be the biggie if Port really wants Rankine. On draft night if Carlton take Walsh, Gold Coast go Lukosius, would Port offer Gold Coast pick 5 and 15 to secure Rankine at 3? Gold Coast will probably accept as should get Rozee at 5 with a bonus pick at 15 . Don't think Rankine will get to 4 or 5 given the hype.

I've said for a little while that us trading up to pick 3 is the most likely outcome if there was to be any movement in the top 5. Anything with 5 would be gravy for Gold Coast if they want Rozee as they will likely get him at 5. But 15 is too big a price. If we were somehow to break up next year's first into a couple of picks this year, then I would offer part of that breakup with 5.

In the end I'm with philthy05 and shewho in thinking the top 5 is probably set and so would not trade any more. It's all a game of bluff and rumour mongering to keep the AFL in the 24/7 sports news cycle.

If we go into the first draft night with our 3 picks then I expect we are thinking no one will break into the top 4.

And I still can't get shake off the image of Rankine in Port gear in Tennant Creek with Pauly V delivering a football program. That would have been called out as draft tampering any other time.

 

[Daylight2nd]

I've said for a little while that us trading up to pick 3 is the most likely outcome if there was to be any movement in the top 5. Anything with 5 would be gravy for Gold Coast if they want Rozee as they will likely get him at 5. But 15 is too big a price. If we were somehow to break up next year's first into a couple of picks this year, then I would offer part of that breakup with 5.

In the end I'm with philthy05 and shewho in thinking the top 5 is probably set and so would not trade any more. It's all a game of bluff and rumour mongering to keep the AFL in the 24/7 sports news cycle.

If we go into the first draft night with our 3 picks then I expect we are thinking no one will break into the top 4.

And I still can't get shake off the image of Rankine in Port gear in Tennant Creek with Pauly V delivering a football program. That would have been called out as draft tampering any other time.

Coobk001 makes good point about Gold Coast not needing more picks this year. Under live trading of picks and the excitement of a "live auction" people have been known to get carried away to get that "must have" item. Port are well positioned but suspect it ain't over yet, especially with the Crows sniffing around.

 

[DaTBird187]

We offer Gold Coast 5 & 15 + next years 1st for 3 & 6.

The draft goes.

1. Walsh (Carlton)
2. Lukosius (Gold Coast)
3. Rankine (Port Adelaide)
4. M King (St Kilda)
5. Rozee (Gold Coast)
6. Smith (Port Adelaide)

Gold Coast lose out little as they get the guy they wanted at 3 with pick 5, so it is essentially Pick 15 and next years 1st rounder for pick 6.

We keep pick 10 and get three picks inside the top 10 of a super draft.

 

[Willsy10]

In 2011 it was obvious we would pounce on Wingard if he was still there at 6, similar with Hartlett in 2008 at 4 but this year i'm not sure what way we are leaning. We've made a lot of effort to get into the top 5 but i can't quite figure out who our target is.

If i had pick 1 i'd probably go Lukosious but there is no way he will still be there at 5. I'm not sure Rankine will be either, and the pick shuffles make this even more confusing. We gave up a lot to get that pick 5, i just hope we get who we were after.

 

[OneGreatClub]

The talk is that the Saints aren't happy to slide all the way from pick 4 down to the Crows pick 8, so for the Crows to turn pick 8 into pick 4, they'd probably have to work a deal where the Saints slide from 4 to 6, and Gold Coast from 6 to 8.

I can't see how they'll convince StK and GC to make that sort of trade though, without it costing the Crows an absolute fortune just for 1 pick.

Sounds like the Saints want either Port or Crows to sell the farm for that pick. Pretty happy right now that Port have 5 and hope we keep it. If Crows choose to sell all their picks for pick 4 so be it.