Strategy Draft assistance 2023 [Twomey: NMFC get #19 in 2023, x2 end of 1st rd picks in 2024, and x2 extra rookie list spots in 2024; no Sanders/#11]

[Gasometer]

 

[travelli]

I don't have a problem with those long term signings. Maybe CCJ is a dud, but there has to be some club continuity. Simpkin and Larkey deserve it.

 

[Gasometer]

What are they talking about no rules around PP assistance?

There’s 20 years of precedent fools.

As much as I opposed the North Fitzroy Merge, it all came down to Opposition Clubs not wanting to make a Dynasty and look how that turned out with Brilions.

Ron Casey must be spinning in his grave watching OTC last night

 

[giantroo]

Garry & Tim discuss North and an assistance package
~19min - 24min

 

[Kanga Glory]

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I don’t think I can keep watching the rest of the clubs pulling the ladder up behind them and saying North - alone of all the clubs in the league - has to work its own way off the bottom. The AFL either uses the lever it has to help one of its 18 assets perform at an acceptable level, or it doesn’t and it can stop pretending that it wants all clubs to have the chance to compete.

 

[giantroo]

Sammy Edmund discusses it as well

~3min mark

 

[outwecome2play]

According to Matthew Lloyd last night on Footy Scumbags North got a priority pick last year which they used on Sheezel and Wardlaw.

 

[Gasometer]

According to Matthew Lloyd last night on Footy Scumbags North got a priority pick last year which they used on Sheezel and Wardlaw.

No way

 

[KingKongBundy]

Lloyd = vacuous Ken Doll. At least he apologised on Twitter - more than his grubby co-panelists do for regularly getting pretty much everything wrong. Shout out to Caro - Clarko to Dons


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[outwecome2play]

No way

True story.
Not sure if someone can find the clip.

 

[KingKongBundy]

How’s this sanctimonious c&nt Jeff Browne trying to reject our assistance package? Ok don’t use Pendlebury ever again then. Stand him down if you don’t approve of the system.


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[Jonnoo]

Sammy pretty decent and fair in that summary

 

[KingKongBundy]

Any club opposing assistance for us needs to hand back any flags won via this method. That would see Hawks hand back all recent flags via having Hodge and Roughhead, Pies via Pendlebury/Thomas, Richmond via Deledio, Dogs via Cooney etc etc the list goes on


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[Passmore]

How’s this sanctimonious c&nt Jeff Browne trying to reject our assistance package? Ok don’t use Pendlebury ever again then. Stand him down if you don’t approve of the system.


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I don't want to hear or read anyone from Collingwood complain about anything. Those ****ing knuckle draggers get endless leg ups.

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[KingKongBundy]

This is a line in the sand moment for us I reckon. Part of Watt and Hoods submission needs to be that if we don’t get the assistance we are requesting we will publicly dissect the circumstances around last year’s corrupt process and oppose any initiative put forward by any other club and the league until assistance is forthcoming. We need to go to war on this - be prepared to say publicly we have no confidence in the AFL board and executive. An absolute jihad on the whole shit show.


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[Only Forwards]

I don’t think I can keep watching the rest of the clubs pulling the ladder up behind them and saying North - alone of all the clubs in the league - has to work its own way off the bottom. The AFL either uses the lever it has to help one of its 18 assets perform at an acceptable level, or it doesn’t and it can stop pretending that it wants all clubs to have the chance to compete.

I’ve started to believe that broadly we are seen currently as taking up the only space we’re supposed to.

Where we continually get the shit kicked out of us on field and in the media.

If you take a 5 season period we’re worse than just about any club has ever been in the modern form of the game.

If we win the spoon (and that is still on the table) we will be worse than the early 90s swans.

If the AFL was fair, the template is what they gave the Gold Coast (which was half the world).

2018 - access to two state league players
2019 - an expansive 3 year concession package which included picks 1,11,20 and priority access to an the entire NT.

2022 - 2 seconds that needed to be traded (this actually seems like more than GC as at least we got AFL players out of it)
2023 - ?

I currently flit between apathy and anger at where we are and the amount we don’t get.

I mean they had our former employee and future opposition coach making decisions on assistance for us. This hardly seems like the most unbiased ways of doing things.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Garry & Tim discuss North and an assistance package
~19min - 24min

While we have made big mistakes, we were also stuffed around by Covid, multiple compromised drafts, a changing soft cap and Geelong-GC shady deals that didn’t help equalisation, all while trying to rebuild. A perfect storm of poor timing, misfortune and mistakes.

 

[Shinboner1]

While we have made big mistakes, we were also stuffed around by Covid, multiple compromised drafts, a changing soft cap and Geelong-GC shady deals that didn’t help equalisation, all while trying to rebuild. A perfect storm of poor timing, misfortune and mistakes.

A lot of our problems come from our inability to trade talent that's left the club vs just delisiting them. That's resulted from our horrible development programs in which years and years of draft picks just got wiped from the program. Don't get me started on not drafting key position players or half decent defenders.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

A lot of our problems come from our inability to trade talent that's left the club vs just delisiting them. That's resulted from our horrible development programs in which years and years of draft picks just got wiped from the program. Don't get me started on not drafting key position players or half decent defenders.

We all know the problems and how far back they go. It is a sad state of affairs and quite demeaning for us supporters who have to watch the carnage every damn week.

Our biggest problem is the experience and quality gap left by the 2012-2017 drafting period.

 

[hilly]

1. Media love the fact a PP is possible, something to debate and get the nuffs to call in about
2. We aren't obliged to pay any attention to point 1
3. We can't play this out in public

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[tazaa]

I’ve started to believe that broadly we are seen currently as taking up the only space we’re supposed to.

Where we continually get the s**t kicked out of us on field and in the media.

If you take a 5 season period we’re worse than just about any club has ever been in the modern form of the game.

If we win the spoon (and that is still on the table) we will be worse than the early 90s swans.

If the AFL was fair, the template is what they gave the Gold Coast (which was half the world).

2018 - access to two state league players
2019 - an expansive 3 year concession package which included picks 1,11,20 and priority access to an the entire NT.

2022 - 2 seconds that needed to be traded (this actually seems like more than GC as at least we got AFL players out of it)
2023 - ?

I currently flit between apathy and anger at where we are and the amount we don’t get.

I mean they had our former employee and future opposition coach making decisions on assistance for us. This hardly seems like the most unbiased ways of doing things.

A very good north person mentioned to me last night that if the AFL had any integrity as an organization they would have made Brad Scott sit out a year before taking on a head coaching role.

The fact it was lauded as a “great get” and that “he would know all the contract details and TPP of all 18 clubs” is laughable.
The reality is the 2022 package was decided by -

1) a bloke who was interviewing for another coaching role half way through a process, in a massive conflict of interest.
2) led by Amarfio who by then had been told by the Walsh report and Sonja he was done. Why would he give a **** what the AFL gave us in the end when he wasn’t even going to be here to receive it.

I stress this club makes it so hard for itself because we lack any backbone to hold this league and ourselves to account.

 

[shinboner magic]

This is a line in the sand moment for us I reckon. Part of Watt and Hoods submission needs to be that if we don’t get the assistance we are requesting we will publicly dissect the circumstances around last year’s corrupt process and oppose any initiative put forward by any other club and the league until assistance is forthcoming. We need to go to war on this - be prepared to say publicly we have no confidence in the AFL board and executive. An absolute jihad on the whole s**t show.


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This

We might be pussies on the field but no need to be similar off the field
I know people will say , you go up against the afl they’ll fix you up later on.
What else can they do - we play so many interstate games on top of the Tassie games/ Geelong game every year , shit time slots / no Friday games
Nga area is a waste land
I wish kingy had the balls to push this but he’s worried about his own ass

 

[giantroo]

Pies boss cautions against priority picks as North prepare to ask for help​

By Marc McGowan​

July 18, 2023 — 5.00am

Key points​

• Collingwood president Jeff Browne believes priority picks should be reserved for exceptional cases.
• North Melbourne are expected to apply for special assistance from the AFL after another tough season.
• The Roos are likely to ask for pre-draft access to outstanding Tasmanian midfielder Ryley Sanders.

Collingwood president Jeff Browne has cautioned against the AFL being too generous with handing out priority picks as North Melbourne prepare to lodge a formal application for special assistance.

The Kangaroos are yet to apply for assistance, but interim coach Brett Ratten

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indicated after Sunday’s 48-point loss to Hawthorn that it was being discussed at club level, and there has been some dialogue with the league.

Collingwood president Jeff Browne believes priority picks should be used only in exceptional circumstances.

The Age revealed last week that one option the Kangaroos were considering was to request pre-draft access to outstanding Tasmanian midfielder Ryley Sanders, who recruiters rate a top-10 talent for this year’s draft.

The AFL has moved towards offering clubs special assistance, at the commission’s discretion, rather than simply awarding priority picks.

Browne did not offer his opinion on North Melbourne’s case, but his holistic view is the league should consider only exceptional cases for this type of help.

“I think priority picks should be used sparingly and only be awarded in genuine cases where a club, notwithstanding their own best efforts, have failed to achieve an acceptable level of success on the field,” Browne said.

“We’ve got to come as close to an uncompromised draft as we can, in order for that to work at its fairest and best. There will be some exceptions from time to time, but they should be exceptions – not the rule.

“North Melbourne are working very hard as a football club, and they haven’t had success on the field, but they have with all the other metrics by which you would measure successful endeavour.”


The Age spoke to AFL club chief executives and chairs to see whether they believed North Melbourne should receive a priority pick and/or special assistance after winning only nine of their past 76 games.

They are set for a bottom-two finish for the fourth season in a row, including back-to-back wooden spoons in 2021 and 2022.

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Carlton power forward Harry McKay

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Harry Mckay

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200cm

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106kg

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could miss up to eight weeks after suffering a knee injury against Port Adelaide.
The consistent perspective among the club executives – most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were talking about another club – was that priority picks should be reserved for extreme cases.
Some were adamant the Roos, and all clubs, should fix their own mess, saying they did not want the AFL to reward poor decision-making. But others said there was still a place for priority picks – in the right circumstances – and were comfortable with assistance package granted to North Melbourne last year.

The AFL handed the Kangaroos future second- and third-round selections last year, on the proviso they were traded (they were sent to Fremantle for Griffin Logue

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Griffin Logue

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MG

115.4

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4.4

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), and gave them two extra rookie-list spots.

​

Sanders, who won the Larke Medal on Sunday as the AFL under-18 Championships’ best player, recently received his certificate of Aboriginality, making him eligible to be part of North’s Next Generation Academy.
North’s application for the teenage star to join their NGA program has progressed and is expected to be ticked off, well-placed sources confirmed to this masthead.
However, clubs cannot match bids on NGA prospects if another club chooses them in the first 40 picks, meaning for the Roos to acquire Sanders they would have to use an early selection on him or gain pre-draft access to him.

 

[Sillygit]

1. Media love the fact a PP is possible, something to debate and get the nuffs to call in about
2. We aren't obliged to pay any attention to point 1
3. We can't play this out in public

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You're gunma have to tone down the logic and rational perspective there hilly, this is the emotional reactions thread (ie currently 85% of all threads).