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damuzzdu said:
mianfei,

Many thanks, great stats and nicely presented - easy to understand :D

So my next questions...

How many draws have there been in V/AFL history against total number of games played. ie what is the % chances of a draw occurring in each season.

Then: What is longest span in V/AFL history with no draws in terms of seasons and games.

TIA
Muzz
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I think 'Mianfei' has posted some information on 'droughts' of draws.
A seach or browse through his postings should find what you are looking for.

Some stuff on frequency of draws here


(Currently being updated)
 
damuzzdu said:
mianfei,

Many thanks, great stats and nicely presented - easy to understand :D

So my next questions...

How many draws have there been in V/AFL history against total number of games played. ie what is the % chances of a draw occurring in each season.

Then: What is longest span in V/AFL history with no draws in terms of seasons and games.

TIA
Muzz
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The longest span without a draw in the V/AFL is 470 games from Round 2, 1982 to the first half of Round 11, 1985.I recall the end of it quite well because I was listening to the game that ended the sequence. (AsI have tried very hard to emphasise, this is by no means a record for all senior football - see above post).
 
On the google news archive I found a link which appeared to reference a VFA grand final or final that was drawn twice in a row around 1911 involving North Melbourne.

Not sure what level it was - but the unfortunately the link didn't work.

Does anyone have any info on this?
 

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pie_town said:
On the google news archive I found a link which appeared to reference a VFA grand final or final that was drawn twice in a row around 1911 involving North Melbourne.

Not sure what level it was - but the unfortunately the link didn't work.

Does anyone have any info on this?
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It was a senior VFA first semi-final in 1912 between North Melbourne and Brunswick that was drawn twice.

You can look here for a description of the second draw, played on the seventh of September 1912. As done on Google News Archive, the second draw is on the sixth page of the eight.
 
In a related story is it just me or is Google News Archive basically unsupported these days? I was expecting it to kick onto massive things with search by date features and enhanced keywords and it's done nothing in a year.

The National Library archive of The Argus is killer but sadly if you want anything post 1954 then you're SOL.
 
Supermercado said:
In a related story is it just me or is Google News Archive basically unsupported these days? I was expecting it to kick onto massive things with search by date features and enhanced keywords and it's done nothing in a year.

The National Library archive of The Argus is killer but sadly if you want anything post 1954 then you're SOL.
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Advanced search allows you to search by date plus:

[SIZE=-1]with all of the words[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]with the exact phrase
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]with at least one of the words[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
without the words[/SIZE]

or do you mean something else?

Note than when you select "Browse this newspaper" you'll notice that some editions are missing which is why searches turn up blanks.

The NLA should have 1955 Argus stuff next year as the next copyright expiry date clicks over on January 1st.
 
RogersResults said:
Advanced search allows you to search by date plus:

[SIZE=-1]with all of the words[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]with the exact phrase
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]with at least one of the words[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
without the words[/SIZE]

or do you mean something else?

Note than when you select "Browse this newspaper" you'll notice that some editions are missing which is why searches turn up blanks.

The NLA should have 1955 Argus stuff next year as the next copyright expiry date clicks over on January 1st.
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What I want on Google Archive is a way to say "I want to see the paper from August 15, 1979" I know you can search for dates and often turn up what you're looking for but it's a bit clunky.
 
Supermercado said:
In a related story is it just me or is Google News Archive basically unsupported these days? I was expecting it to kick onto massive things with search by date features and enhanced keywords and it's done nothing in a year.

The National Library archive of The Argus is killer but sadly if you want anything post 1954 then you're SOL.
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And Google News Archive doesn't have anything from The Age post about 1990 either.
 
The whole archive? Still there for me:

http://news.google.com.au/archivesearch/advanced_search?ned=au&hl=en

They've just changed it around a bit.

Type in "The Age" for news source, click "Return articles added to Google News Archive" and fire away. When you get to the results page, look on the left-hand side for the Archives header, click 'custom range' and enter away.

Looks like there's not much post-1990 still, but the 80s and earlier should still be there. I was getting 70s results and such just now when I used it.
 
mianfei said:
That is far ahead of anything I have seen in major senior football competitions! Most likely it is a large-scale record.

I recall reading in The Age of a draw with scores of 131 each in the VFA in 1983 and the previous draw in that competition from early 1981 (Second Division) may have been slightly higher, but I never seen a score equal to or above 140.
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Essendon v Carlton, Round 2 1993.

20.12 (132) v 19.18 (132)

That must be pretty close to the highest scoring draw in VFL/AFL history?
 
Dos23 said:
That must be pretty close to the highest scoring draw in VFL/AFL history?
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Very close. ;)

Code: 
Year Rd HC  HCScore  AC  ACScore  Venue
----------------------------------------------------------
1993  2 Es 20.12.132 Ca 19.18.132 Melbourne Cricket Ground
2008  5 WB 19.16.130 Ri 20.10.130 Etihad Stadium
1979  4 WB 20. 8.128 Es 19.14.128 Whitten Oval
1980  3 Ri 18.20.128 St 19.14.128 Melbourne Cricket Ground
1968  2 Ha 17.24.126 Sy 19.12.126 Glenferrie Oval
1944  6 Ri 19.11.125 WB 18.17.125 Punt Road Oval
1987 20 NM 18.17.125 WB 18.17.125 Melbourne Cricket Ground
2003 11 WC 19.10.124 WB 19.10.124 Patersons Stadium
1998 12 Br 18.15.123 PA 18.15.123 Gabba
1980  8 Fi 17.16.118 Co 17.16.118 Junction Oval
2002 14 WB 18.10.118 Es 17.16.118 Etihad Stadium


Progressive:

Code: 
Dr# Year Rd HC  HCScore  AC  ACScore  Venue
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  1 1897  7 Fi  5.13. 43 Sy  5.13. 43 Brunswick Street Oval
  6 1905 14 Sy  7. 8. 50 Fi  7. 8. 50 Lakeside Oval
  7 1909  9 Me 10. 5. 65 Co 10. 5. 65 Melbourne Cricket Ground
 12 1911  2 Ca 10. 6. 66 Sy 10. 6. 66 Princes Park
 23 1919 15 Ge 11. 9. 75 Fi 11. 9. 75 Corio Oval
 24 1921  1 Es 11.12. 78 Me 12. 6. 78 East Melbourne Cricket Ground
 26 1921  5 St 12.18. 90 Me 13.12. 90 Junction Oval
 41 1934  5 Ge 16.13.109 Co 16.13.109 Corio Oval
 49 1944  6 Ri 19.11.125 WB 18.17.125 Punt Road Oval
 85 1968  2 Ha 17.24.126 Sy 19.12.126 Glenferrie Oval
101 1979  4 WB 20. 8.128 Es 19.14.128 Whitten Oval
102 1980  3 Ri 18.20.128 St 19.14.128 Melbourne Cricket Ground
116 1993  2 Es 20.12.132 Ca 19.18.132 Melbourne Cricket Ground

Next draw will be the 150th.
 

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Ron The Bear said:
Longest drawless sequences by clubs:

Code: 
Gms Club             Year Rd-Year Rd
------------------------------------
462 Melbourne        1971 19-1992  6
406 Geelong          1969  3-1987  5
403 Hawthorn         1968  3-1985 10
384*Adelaide         1994 15-2010 22
360 St.Kilda         1922 14-1943  1
358*Fremantle        1995  1-2010 SF
344 Collingwood      1995 13-2010 11
344 Richmond         1980  4-1995 14
335 North Melbourne  1988 18-2003  2
333 Melbourne        1992  8-2006 20
332*Fitzroy          1982  2-1996 22
316 Sydney           1977  8-1991 11
313 Western Bulldogs 1957  2-1973  7
291 Carlton          1935  8-1950 15
284 Geelong          1935 12-1952 10
282 Carlton          1993  3-2005  3
269 Sydney           1922 14-1937  2
265 Essendon         1929 15-1944  5
...
189 West Coast       1992  6-2000  2
133*Port Adelaide    2005  5-2010 22
113 Brisbane         1987  1-1992  3
90*University       1910  1-1914 18
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Adelaide have passed Melbourne's record for longest 'draw drought' which IMO is quite remarkable.
 
I was curious as to which teams had gone the longest without playing a draw against each other, and found that Geelong has never played a draw against either St Kilda or South Melbourne/Sydney Swans since the inception of the league in 1897.

Taking into account teams that have actually drawn games, the last time scores were level at the final siren of a Collingwood vs. Richmond game was in 1917.

I noticed in earlier posts the mention of the long draw droughts by WAFL clubs, and it is quite incredible the lack of draws in this competition. At the time of posting, the East Fremantle Sharks have not drawn since 1989, the South Fremantle Bulldogs not since 1997, Peel Thunder have never played a tie since their inception in 1997 and the Subiaco Lions last drew in 2001. In the 1950s, there was just 1 drawn WAFL match (1957), with only two draws in the 1990s (1993 & 1997). At the other end of the scale, the West Perth Falcons drew an amazing 3 times in 1960, which must have given the red and blues steady nerves under pressure, enabling them to win the 1960 WAFL premiership with a comfortable victory over the East Perth Royals.
 
Stats from the draw between Gold Coast and West Coast tonight.

- First draw in Gold Coast's history.

- 6th draw in West Coast's history, and their first draw since 2003, ending a 12 year draw drought.

- Geelong now have the second longest draw drought with their last draw coming in Round 21, 2006 against Melbourne.
 
Another interesting statistic is that the Eagles have now been involved in the only 2 draws ever at Metricon Stadium (we drew there against the Bears in 1992)
 
Currently:

492 Adelaide v St R14 1994
215 Geelong v Me R21 2006
176 Western Bulldogs v Ri R5 2008
138 North Melbourne v Ri R16 2009
133 Brisbane v Es R19 2009
124 Hawthorn v St R17 2010
114 Collingwood v St GF 2010
105 Melbourne v Sy R1 2011, St.Kilda v Ri R2 2011
84 GWS no draws
67 Port Adelaide v Ri R23 2012
64 Richmond v PA R23 2012
60 Sydney v Fr R8 2013
59 Fremantle v Sy R8 2013
19 Essendon v Ca R23 2014
18 Carlton v Es R23 2014
1 Gold Coast v WC R18 2015, West Coast v GC R18 2015
 
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Ron The Bear said:
Currently:

492 Adelaide
215 Geelong
176 Western Bulldogs
138 North Melbourne
133 Brisbane
124 Hawthorn
114 Collingwood
105 Melbourne, St.Kilda
84 GWS
67 Port Adelaide
64 Richmond
60 Sydney
59 Fremantle
19 Essendon
18 Carlton
1 Gold Coast, West Coast
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From that I assume the last pairs of draws were:
GC/WC
Carl/ESS (1 final difference)
Fr/SS (1 game)
RI/PA (3 games)
GWS/Syd
Mel/STK
Col/Hawks (10 games!)
Br/NM (5 games)
WB/Gee? or both drew with other teams
 
Thanks for the update on the most recent draw for each club RTB.

Looking at the list, I note that St.Kilda was involved in 3 draws in its 12 games from Round 17 in 2010 to Round 2 in 2011 (it also had a 1 point loss to Geelong in Round 1, 2011).

Is this the record for fewest games for 3 draws?
 
North park said:
Thanks for the update on the most recent draw for each club RTB.

Looking at the list, I note that St.Kilda was involved in 3 draws in its 12 games from Round 17 in 2010 to Round 2 in 2011 (it also had a 1 point loss to Geelong in Round 1, 2011).

Is this the record for fewest games for 3 draws?
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Yeah that's the record. Next best is 3 draws in 17 games, by

Fitzroy R4 1921 - R4 1922
Essendon R6 1944 - R2 1945
Carlton R16 1951 - R14 1952
 
Ron The Bear said:
Currently:

492 Adelaide v St R14 1994
215 Geelong v Me R21 2006
176 Western Bulldogs v Ri R5 2008
138 North Melbourne v Ri R16 2009
133 Brisbane v Es R19 2009
124 Hawthorn v St R17 2010
114 Collingwood v St GF 2010
105 Melbourne v Sy R1 2011, St.Kilda v Ri R2 2011
84 GWS no draws
67 Port Adelaide v Ri R23 2012
64 Richmond v PA R23 2012
60 Sydney v Fr R8 2013
59 Fremantle v Sy R8 2013
19 Essendon v Ca R23 2014
18 Carlton v Es R23 2014
1 Gold Coast v WC R18 2015, West Coast v GC R18 2015
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Time for another update ;)
 
King Cold said:
Time for another update ;)
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494 Adelaide v St R14 1994
178 Western Bulldogs v Ri R5 2008
140 North Melbourne v Ri R16 2009
135 Brisbane v Es R19 2009
126 Hawthorn v St R17 2010
116 Collingwood v St GF 2010
107 Melbourne v Sy R1 2011
86 GWS no draws
69 Port Adelaide v Ri R23 2012
66 Richmond v PA R23 2012
62 Sydney v Fr R8 2013
61 Fremantle v Sy R8 2013
21 Essendon v Ca R23 2014
20 Carlton v Es R23 2014
3 Gold Coast v WC R18 2015, West Coast v GC R18 2015
0 Geelong v St R21 2015, St.Kilda v Ge R21 2015
(332 Fitzroy v Ca R1 1982, 90 Un v Fi R18 1909)

As was pointed out to me by KennyK, Saturday night's draw marked the end of the second-longest extant sequence of games between two clubs without a draw, after 210 matches. The remaining big one is Geelong/Sydney, still yet to record a draw after 217 games. Next is Collingwood/Richmond (181), whose only drawn match was in 1917.
 
Just been flicking throughmy copy of "Every Game Ever Played 1897 - 1997" and came across the Fitzroy v University game from round 18 1909 which finished in a draw. Does anyone know where I can find more info on this match.

The result ment Fitzroy stayed 2 points and 1.5% ahead of University.
 

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