Dream Team Squads Part 2

[beatlesmith]

Back: Goddard, C.Cornes, Lockyer, Adcock, Nicoski, Ellis, Raines (Hill, Petrenko)

Mids: Ablett (c), Kerr, Swan, Butler, Masten, Rich (Robinson, Cockie)

Rucks: Cox (vc), Mcintosh (Currie, Spencer)

Forwards: Deledio, Pavlich, Giansiracusa, Lucas, Higgins, Skipworth, Ziebell (Ballantyne, Gumbleton)

Keepers=bold
Potential keepers= Italics
Cash Cows=underlined
Emergencies=red

Any advice or helpful comments will be much appreciated.

 

[rdangelo]

Your forward line is great, thats how I wanted mine to plan out.
I think your midfield is perfectly spaced and your backline looks the goods.

Good team
I wouldnt suggest to do anything to it.

I like this team.

Although - Higgins, Adcock, Lucas & Malceski. I dont know. Will Adcock have a massive year? And Higgins? Every year he is talked up and does nothing.

 

[Kellebra]

Back: Goddard, C.Cornes, Lockyer, Adcock, Nicoski, Ellis, Raines (Hill, Petrenko)

Mids: Ablett (c), Kerr, Swan, Butler, Masten, Rich (Robinson, Cockie)

Rucks: Cox (vc), Mcintosh (Currie, Spencer)

Forwards: Deledio, Pavlich, Giansiracusa, Lucas, Higgins, Skipworth, Ziebell (Ballantyne, Gumbleton)

Keepers=bold
Potential keepers= Italics
Cash Cows=underlined
Emergencies=red


Any advice or helpful comments will be much appreciated.

I think you've got a few to many injury prone players...

IMO you've got 4 or more who are no chance of playing 22 games. However, that being said, if by some miracle they all do then it may work out for you.

Unfortunately I think we all know thats not going to happen so I would downgrade and spread some of the risk...

 

[beatlesmith]

I think you've got a few to many injury prone players...

IMO you've got 4 or more who are no chance of playing 22 games. However, that being said, if by some miracle they all do then it may work out for you.

Unfortunately I think we all know thats not going to happen so I would downgrade and spread some of the risk...

I can only really see Butler, Lucas, Higgins and C.Cornes as particularly injury prone. Butler i am risking as even if he plays just 5 or so games, he will jump from 213k to 280k+, and he has the best fitness he has ever had in a pre-season. C.Cornes is very high-risk/high reward, but at that price, i'm willing to risk it as i have hill and petrenko waiting in the wings just in case he gets a lst minute injury, and they should get quite a few games. Lucas and Higgins are at prices too good to pass up, and in the forward line area where there will be plenty of playing backups (walker, brown, grant, gumbleton, ballantyne, yarran, sidebottom etc), i should be able to bring on a playing reserve. Lucas and Higgins are also like butler in that a few games will hugely bolster their price and i will be able to upgrade with the extra $$$.
Ellis is injured, but should be right for round 1.
Nicoski has had some freak injuries (broken foot and ankle), but nothing debilitating or long term. Kerr's knee is suspect, but i will re-assess that closer to round 1. Might dongrade mcintosh andreplace kerr with someone like gibbs or boak.

 

[Lakey91]

Thankyou so much RT

I was leaning that way. Thanks for all that

Is hill/rance in your starting 22? If so i would definately lean towards the brennan option. It you dont like brennan, get davis or sylvia instead or someone else in that price range who takes your fancy. Never have a player in your starting team who you dont have confidence in.

 

[Hodges]

I like this team.

Although - Higgins, Adcock, Lucas & Malceski. I dont know. Will Adcock have a massive year? And Higgins? Every year he is talked up and does nothing.

Dont be stealing my team. It wont end well.

 

[BLERGEN]

OK... Take 2:

My first side was this:

How about:

Backs: Mackie, Gram, Adcock, Raines, O'Hailpin, S. Hill, Broadbent, Z Dawson, A Obst.

Mid: Bartel, Cooney, J Selwood, Gibbs, Cousins, Foley, Slattery, Polkinghorne

Rucks: Ottens, Kruezer, Mumford, J Meeson

Fwd: M Richardson, S Johnson, Akermanis, D Hale, J Riewolt, J Anthony, J Ziebell, S Sidebottom, R Nahas


Now this:

Backs: Enright, Gram, Lockyer, Adcock, Malceski, Houlihan, Raines, Suban, Rance.

Mid: Selwood, Gibbs, Cousins, Haselby, Higgins, Rich, Ziebell, Robinson

Rucks: Ottens, Kruezer, Mumford, J Meeson

Fwd: M Richardson, Didak, Deledio, Hale, Gamble, Wonaeamirri, Staker, Sidebottom, Gumbleton.

Better? Any other suggestions? I'm not sure about Wonaeamirri and Gamble, but I'm fairly happy with the rest (I'm still looking at my rucks).

Cheers!

 

[Mailman]

Ok Last Go, Should about lock my team up except for rookies/injuries etc

Backs: Fisher, Goddard, Cornes, Adcock, Houlihan, Raines, Hill, (Suban, Petrenko)

Mids: Swan, STuck, Gibbs, Boak, Haselby, Rich (Davenport, Robinson)

Ruck: Cox, McIntosh (Currie, Spencer)

Fowards: Deledio, Gia, SJohnson, NBrown, Lucas, Higgins, Gumbelton (Walker, Ballantyne)

Bold - Keepers (bar injury)
Slant - Potential Keepers
Others - Cash Cows

Thoughts???

This one looks pretty good....Taking a bit of a punt on Hill, and not sure about Gumbleton....but nice

 

[theone5]

So many of these teams are similar...in fact, they are all similar.

I have not really seen anyone take any unique strategy.
I also find it hard to believe that 95% of the people in here genuinely want B.Goddard, R.Houlihan, S.Hill, B.Gibbs, D.Rich, J.Ziebell, D.Cox, B.Deledio, S.Lucas, S.Higgins and others in their team.
Just because you see every team with most of these names in there, it does not mean that your team needs them too.

We have spoken about going with your gut, and not getting influenced.
If you genuinely want all of these guys, then go for it.
But if you are picking them based on the mob mentality, then you are doomed without even knowing it because it shows no confidence or independence in your own coaching abilities.

I will tell you one thing about my team...and that is i DO NOT have B.Gibbs.
I have my reasons.
That puts me in the minority and may give me the edge.

 

[GeeCats07]

People do get caught up in certain players, but they are all either proven or have performed well in the NAB already. I will probably start with most of those players as they seem to be the best cash cows or breakout players. As you said, it just may give you the edge when Gibbs only averages 85 for the season or something.

 

[NT.Thunder]

So many of these teams are similar...in fact, they are all similar.

I have not really seen anyone take any unique strategy.
I also find it hard to believe that 95% of the people in here genuinely want B.Goddard, R.Houlihan, S.Hill, B.Gibbs, D.Rich, J.Ziebell, D.Cox, B.Deledio, S.Lucas, S.Higgins and others in their team.
Just because you see every team with most of these names in there, it does not mean that your team needs them too.

We have spoken about going with your gut, and not getting influenced.
If you genuinely want all of these guys, then go for it.
But if you are picking them based on the mob mentality, then you are doomed without even knowing it because it shows no confidence or independence in your own coaching abilities.

I will tell you one thing about my team...and that is i DO NOT have B.Gibbs.
I have my reasons.
That puts me in the minority and may give me the edge.

You have to admit that each one of these players represent potentially good value in their own way.

You may not have Gibbs and you may be in the minority but this doesnt give you the edge at all. What if Gibbs is given free reign and does average over 100 which is more then possible. I mean it's like last year with Stevens. Everyone was saying that he's in every team and too go unique, but why when you have easy points coming your way at a cheap price. I mean the guy who won still had Stevens in his team come last round. Discounts IMO are not nescessarilly related to injury prone players. If a player changes role and you can see him increasing his points by this role change then he is a bargain. Make the most of it.

The difference is that you need to choose which ones you need to take full advantage of. I mean is Lucas going to get back to 06 numbers, will Higgins remain injury free, Haselby's numbers may not get back to early days with him running off half back, Cox well if you dont have him yr behind from the start IMO, but thats another thread. Goddard, well he should be a lock in all teams, and the youngsters, well if your not choosing youngsters who are more then likely to play rnd1 and 15+ games, well you'll be in the minority and it wont be to your benefit.

 

[Kirk Hinrich #12]

Backs - Hodge, Shaw, Cornes, Malceski, Wojinski, Hurn, J Smith, Raines, Hill
Mids - Ablett, Judd, Pendles, Masten, Cotchin, Rich, Swift, Robinson
Rucks- Cox, Fraser, Cordy, Spencer
Forwards - Pav, Dildo, J Reiwoldt, Lucas, Higgins, Skipworth, Gumbelton, Hentschell, Dowler

 

[GeeCats07]

Backs - Hodge, Shaw, Cornes, Malceski, Wojinski, Hurn, J Smith, Raines, Hill
Mids - Ablett, Judd, Pendles, Masten, Cotchin, Rich, Swift, Robinson
Rucks- Cox, Fraser, Cordy, Spencer
Forwards - Pav, Dildo, J Reiwoldt, Lucas, Higgins, Skipworth, Gumbelton, Hentschell, Dowler

I think you could do better than Wojinkski and Hurn. Turn those two into another high end player and get one of the rookie backmen. Then use any extra cash on the forward line. Maybe upgrade Riewoldt if you can. Just my thoughts.

 

[LemmingMaster]

You have to admit that each one of these players represent potentially good value in their own way.

I think he was just attempting to make people think for themselves at why they're picking certain players. Jones and Dyson board from last year, by your response you're one of the people that have made an educated decision.

When you don't know why you picked a certain players, it then causes you to make silly decisions with regards to trading.

 

[theone5]

I think he was just attempting to make people think for themselves at why they're picking certain players. Jones and Dyson board from last year, by your response you're one of the people that have made an educated decision.

When you don't know why you picked a certain players, it then causes you to make silly decisions with regards to trading.

Thanks Tarquin.
This is precisely what i meant, picking a player based on your OWN thoughts. Teams subconsciously find ways to get the most popular BigFooty names mentioned in their team without even realizing it even when it is not their own work/research.
This reliance on BigFooty will make your trading days hell, as you will not be confident in any decision yo make without asking the 'mob'.

 

[rdangelo]

Dont be stealing my team. It wont end well.

I had these 4 players, but I just dont know at all. got 4 weeks to think about it.

 

[samwise]

MY CONVICTS STRUCTURED TEAM
not gonna post my actual team cuz i like it too much but i messed around with the sort of 'no starting rookie, small price fluctuation' structure that last years winner convicts used. i chose to start hill though cuz i think he will be good. pretty interesting i think.

18k remaining
bock, raines, lockyer, mattner, goddard, drummond, hill

hayes, boyd, jackson, gibbs, t tuck, montagna

cox, johnson

n brown, skipworth, higgins, b johnson, houlihan, lucas, j reiwoldt


...pretty rough. i could downgrade montagna to haselby and upgrade skipworth for example

thoughts?

 

[Decipher]

So many of these teams are similar...in fact, they are all similar.

I have not really seen anyone take any unique strategy.
I also find it hard to believe that 95% of the people in here genuinely want B.Goddard, R.Houlihan, S.Hill, B.Gibbs, D.Rich, J.Ziebell, D.Cox, B.Deledio, S.Lucas, S.Higgins and others in their team.
Just because you see every team with most of these names in there, it does not mean that your team needs them too.

We have spoken about going with your gut, and not getting influenced.
If you genuinely want all of these guys, then go for it.
But if you are picking them based on the mob mentality, then you are doomed without even knowing it because it shows no confidence or independence in your own coaching abilities.

I will tell you one thing about my team...and that is i DO NOT have B.Gibbs.
I have my reasons.
That puts me in the minority and may give me the edge.

You seriously cant act suprised?
With the massive amount of support (fanfooty, dreamteamtalk, AFL prospectus, Bigfooty members) alot of the quality pickups are going to get leaked out. These are obvious and I dont think will be the difference between a good side and a great side despite both having them. I think the difference comes in your strategy, the rest of your players, your trading, your captaincy options (Which ive noticed many are lacking this year). Having a quality starting structure and a solid plan with enough wiggle room for late problems like last year disastorous backline will be the main thing and I think it will clearly distinguish between those copying others and those who have a genuine understanding. Also doing your research and finding the extra 2-3 smokies not mentioned so often you feel will have a good year will also make a huge difference, specially since first round draft picks are so expensive making this cash cow thing so much more difficult for many.

 

[Roos34]

Backs-Goddard, P burgoyne, H Shaw, Gilbee, macleski, J smith, Raines (Hill and Hurley)

Mids-Black, Judd, Kerr, Foley,Haselby, Rich (Ziebell and Beams)

Rucks-Ottens, Mcintosh (Bock and Vickery)

Fwds-Deledio, Franklin, B Harvey, Fevola,Houlihan, Higgins, Ballanytyne (Sidebottom and M Brown)

any comments

 

[Kellebra]

I think he was just attempting to make people think for themselves at why they're picking certain players. Jones and Dyson board from last year, by your response you're one of the people that have made an educated decision.

When you don't know why you picked a certain players, it then causes you to make silly decisions with regards to trading.

I think you've hit the nail on the head...

When you have the number of people on here all musing over selections the most popular 5-10 players that start being thrown up are probably going to be fairly solid picks

However, what most people may not understand is that players in that list are in the list for different reasons - not appreciating this will have consequences for trading.

 

[Lakey91]

Most structures in this thread, and the first version, were pretty similar. Most had 2-4 rookies starting, often with 2 in the forwards.

While the odd mid priced team has popped up, i think the full blown guns rookies structure hasn’t been explored or discussed much. Here’s a quick version of my own (bold denotes keeper):

Hodge
Goddard
Fisher
Enright
Chad
Shaw
Adcock

Suban
Petrenko

Kane
Selwood
Gibbs
Hill
Rich
Dangerfield/Steele

Swift
Robinson

Cox
Simmonds

Currie
Spencer

Deledio
O’Keefe
Brennan
Sylvia
Yarran
Ziebell
Grant

Gumbleton
Ballantyne/Hogan

About 7k left over.

For me, a team like this looks VERY appealing, especially with 16 good keepers. After all, this team only needs 6 upgrades until its set! This means you could use 2-3 trades per upgrade. I would have in mind bringing in Ablett, BArtel, Corey, Riewoldt, Pavlich, Franklin to this team. For the forwards, ive gone for my lower end keepers (O’keefe, Brennan, Sylvia) and Deledio. The backs, you have got to love, lock and leave, and will score very well all season.

But, the question is about the rookies. Will they get games? And with this structure, you cant afford to just rotate the 5 forward rookies through to cover a spot on your field, as you need them all to be making cash so you can make those upgrades. Without this, you could be in deep trouble. However, i think the possibility of 5 FW rookies playing each week is quite high. Id expect grant and gumby to play most weeks, and with ziebell and yarran obviously going to be blooded, its not hard to put two of Hogan, Gumbleton and ballantyne as your 8 and 9th FWs and then your set. This seems quite fine no? But note, think about the structure now, not just the names – do you think you could find 5 FW rookies to play most weeks for the first 10-15 rounds?

The mid rookies are a little more challenging IMO. Rich is set. ‘Forgotten Otten’ seems as though craigs finally remembered him, and is challenging Dangerfield for a spot in the 22 - nab cup can change everything. Theres always steele in replacement, though i think he is far way from pies 22 at this stage. They seemed pretty settled round one, with medhurst and rocca to come back too. Hill looks like he will get games early at least, and did look ok in round one. Swift has a few injury concerns, and could be in and out a bit. Robinson looks the goods, but will he make the cut when the blues welcome back a few stars? So its a bit iffy. But with a bit of tweaking there are other options that could be fit in – zaharakis, davenport, Anthony, laidlaw, beams, polkinghorne Hartlett, otten.

As for the backs, petrenko did some nice things in the second half of round one NAB, and suban should get at least a couple of games in the first half of the season.

So there are risks with rookies copping you a zero. But can you afford to have a few donuts since you are getting so many guns into your starting side? Id say no more than normal (so hopefully none!), and by my estimates i actually see a team like this averaging about the same in round one as my mid price planteam with no rookies, and my planteam with 2-3.

The other think i dislike about this structure, is it disregards the value in the mid pricers. It was said that in Convicts starting side, almost all of his starting 30 increased in value. When you start this many guns, this isn’t going to happen. This means you miss out on players like Higgins, hasleby, lucas and houlihan, and if you try to fit these guys in, well suddenly your back to the mixed structure with 2-3 rookies that is so very common on these BF pages.

In conclusion, this structure can either put you in front of the pack, or leave you behind it, but with such a strong draft, and everyone having a deeper understanding than ever of these draftees due to the rise of youtube videos, more people heading along to the U/18 championships and coaches starting to think long term and blooding youngsters, maybe now is the best opportunity yet to field a guns rookies structure like this.

What are your thoughts of this structure?

 

[wallcob]

hey was wondering if someone could maybe post a thread with the topic being a discussion about player combinations. for example...you could select two players in your mids with your salary cap remaining and you have narrowed it down to either pendlebury and corey..or swan and j.selwood..but just cant decide which two go go with. thoughts?

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

hey was wondering if someone could maybe post a thread with the topic being a discussion about player combinations. for example...you could select two players in your mids with your salary cap remaining and you have narrowed it down to either pendlebury and corey..or swan and j.selwood..but just cant decide which two go go with. thoughts?

Use the player comparison thread.

 

[spence]

Great post Lakey

 

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

Is hill/rance in your starting 22? If so i would definately lean towards the brennan option. It you dont like brennan, get davis or sylvia instead or someone else in that price range who takes your fancy. Never have a player in your starting team who you dont have confidence in.

Thanks mate.
Yeah Rance is starting, and I probably need a good backup in Hill, so maybe going him is a good idea..

I might stick with Brennan, and call him a potential keeper, but he may be upgraded during the year.