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[Percel]

I don't think "extraordinarily hard" is correct. It's more that most of the outgoing alerts are insignificant, apart from Family Law. It depends on what the originator of the alert wants done. The various FTRA, Wildlife, Vicpol etc. legislation allows for it to happen - it just rarely does.

If someone was suspected of exporting wildlife, then their bags would absolutely be dragged off the plane and searched. If Vicpol had an alert in relation to a murder case which said 'contact detective Bloggs', then Bloggs would consider the circumstances as to whether to allow travel.

Should have been clearer. Hard to hold and prevent from getting on a plane unless they grounds. As you rightly pointed out, wildlife is one case, but without the MXU running pre departure, or holding up the actual departure, it's difficult.

Vic Pol would need something stronger, but I do agree that at least having them as contact on alert to make that decision.

Outwards 219?

 

[Earls Smother]

Should have been clearer. Hard to hold and prevent from getting on a plane unless they grounds. As you rightly pointed out, wildlife is one case, but without the MXU running pre departure, or holding up the actual departure, it's difficult.

Vic Pol would need something stronger, but I do agree that at least having them as contact on alert to make that decision.

Outwards 219?

Interesting discussion. You think Vicpol would need something stronger than suspected murder?

What if for example, police do have DNA from the Sharon Wills offender. They decide to test all the Sierra 7 and the next 20-odd suspects in the Mr. Cruel case.

24 of them agree to the test. 3 refuse the test, or say they will come back for a later appointment. A couple are known to regularly travel overseas. Would it be reasonable for the detectives to want to intercept one of those 3 at the airport, if they suddenly decided to head off overseas?

Someone said earlier, that in this case they were only testing to eliminate, rather than target. That is flawed and would lead to an attitude of "it won't be this one, it will be one of the other 119". To me, they were all suspected targets, until they were eliminated. I'm not saying they should have had PK on alert, but they certainly could have. They had the ability to do it quite easily, and the legal framework existed to support them doing it.

 

[GrayRanga]

As I quoted in one of earlier posts; " “The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there,”

The offence was committed 47 years ago. Was the investigation conducted in line with best practices and procedure utilising the forefront of modern technology available at the time?

What legislation then applicable that guided that investigation? What was the political environment, the societal environment at the time that may have impacted the investigation?

It went into the cold case cupboard but obviously revisited at regular intervals given the odd piece of reporting (10 years later type)

I'd consider it plausable that the police would review the previous investigations with contemporaneous eyes taking into account changes to investigative current best practice in Policing standards nationally and internationally and current Victorian Statutes

So, on the 30th the anniversary of the deaths, the State Government announces a Reward, which indicates that VicPol have successfully lobbied the Minister to release extra funds. Obviously part of that went to an investment to DNA comparison testing.

2007; what was the legilsation, policy and procedures with were accepted by VicPol and the prececents set by the Courts relating to DNA testing?

There is no doubt that errors were made during during the investigation(s) but choosing to base a judgment on 2024 legislation, current investigative and technological best practice on the events of both 47 years ago and 17 years ago is a bit ingenuous

Critisize the cops for the errors they made in the context of time period they were made, rather than with 20/20 hindsight use current legislation, policies, and best practice to attack a complex investigation with a cast as big as Ben Hur

 

[GreyCrow]

I would rather a Judiciary that allows freedom to eliminate rather than be held in custody pending elimination

 

[Earls Smother]

As I quoted in one of earlier posts; " “The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there,”

The offence was committed 47 years ago. Was the investigation conducted in line with best practices and procedure utilising the forefront of modern technology available at the time?

What legislation then applicable that guided that investigation? What was the political environment, the societal environment at the time that may have impacted the investigation?

It went into the cold case cupboard but obviously revisited at regular intervals given the odd piece of reporting (10 years later type)

I'd consider it plausable that the police would review the previous investigations with contemporaneous eyes taking into account changes to investigative current best practice in Policing standards nationally and internationally and current Victorian Statutes

So, on the 30th the anniversary of the deaths, the State Government announces a Reward, which indicates that VicPol have successfully lobbied the Minister to release extra funds. Obviously part of that went to an investment to DNA comparison testing.

2007; what was the legilsation, policy and procedures with were accepted by VicPol and the prececents set by the Courts relating to DNA testing?

There is no doubt that errors were made during during the investigation(s) but choosing to base a judgment on 2024 legislation, current investigative and technological best practice on the events of both 47 years ago and 17 years ago is a bit ingenuous

Critisize the cops for the errors they made in the context of time period they were made, rather than with 20/20 hindsight use current legislation, policies, and best practice to attack a complex investigation with a cast as big as Ben Hur

I think just about everyone would agree things were different in 1977. If Iddles hadn't done what he did, they probably never have his name on file to even consider DNA testing him.

The recent discussion has been around something that happened in 2017, hardly the dim, dark ages. The only relevant change since then, would be a "senior police officer" rather than a Magistrate, would have to approve him being held at the airport pending the DNA test.

 

[Percel]

In 77, primary line officers had kb cans and a lit Winnie blue under the table…

 

[GrayRanga]

In 77, primary line officers had kb cans and a lit Winnie blue under the table…

And each interview room had both editions of the white pages just in case the suspect needed to ring a friend

 

[CD Xbow]

And each interview room had both editions of the white pages just in case the suspect needed to ring a friend

Bring back that analog world. I'm over digital. Nothing is real.

 

[Nikita Blue]

A very interesting conversation on cold cases and right at the end John Silvester mentions bf.

What makes a cold case run hot? - ABC listen

A crucial cog in cracking any cold case is forensic science and investigation.

www.abc.net.au

 

[tandino]

......maybe not.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

......maybe not.


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Facebook does that to me all the time now. I'll click on someone's profile who's made a nuffy comment on some public page that I'm a member of and then there's a good chance they'll pop up as a person I may know, even though we have zero mutual friends. Kind of freaks me out a bit. I hope I'm not coming up on their lists...

 

[tandino]

Facebook does that to me all the time now. I'll click on someone's profile who's made a nuffy comment on some public page that I'm a member of and then there's a good chance they'll pop up as a person I may know, even though we have zero mutual friends. Kind of freaks me out a bit. I hope I'm not coming up on their lists...

Can't even stalk Facebook in peace.

 

[Pamcake1]

A very interesting conversation on cold cases and right at the end John Silvester mentions bf.

What makes a cold case run hot? - ABC listen

A crucial cog in cracking any cold case is forensic science and investigation.

www.abc.net.au

"The psychopathic Footy nuts on Big Footy..." John Sylvester

 

[Bont the Lord]

......maybe not.


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Whose the blonde?

 

[rdhopkins2]

"The psychopathic Footy nuts on Big Footy..." John Sylvester

Chief we claim this as a badge of honour

 

[tandino]

Whose the blonde?

Friend of a friend and out of your league.

 

[Visions]

As an FYI I think prosecuting this today would be just as difficult

DNA - yeah ok I had sex with her but I left her alive

Knife - I said I found it and I have an alibi

Alibi - I stretched the truth and said I was with my mates longer because I didnt want them to know I was with the chick

Alibi witnesses - If they recant the question is why not anytime in the last 47 years why you didnt come forward. Are they alive to recant?

This is not a slam dunk - unless there is stuff we are not aware of

Just on your first point about DNA. From what I have read, it was shown the sexual act happened after she was dead.

So if that DNA is his, going to have a hard time convincing anyone he wasn't there during the murder.

 

[GreyCrow]

Just on your first point about DNA. From what I have read, it was shown the sexual act happened after she was dead.

So if that DNA is his, going to have a hard time convincing anyone he wasn't there during the murder.

Thanks for the clarification

 

[Kurve]

"The psychopathic Footy nuts on Big Footy..." John Sylvester

Terms of endearment

 

[Pamcake1]

Terms of endearment

Rusted on 'Psychopathis Footy Nuts'
Logo sketch for you Kurve

 

[Percel]

Rusted on 'Psychopathis Footy Nuts'
Logo sketch for you Kurve

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This needs a badge of its own Chief

 

[Kurve]

This needs a badge of its own Chief

I like it.

 

[Pamcake1]

I like it.

I like it a lot.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I want one too

 

[Sir_Loin]

If I don’t get one I’ll lose my nut