EDFL moves Part 2

[blues_95]

that is a big loss given the other blokes they have already lost. he is certainly replaceable but makes it hard after losing big simon potter as well.
a lot riding on the big shoulders of vinnie "massive nose" randello and the likes now.
can anyone confirm whether the peakes boys are hanging around?

both are staying

 

[mindbender]

Would think Brodie Holland is the exception and maybe worth the big money straight out of the AFL.

I'm talking about local footy players who read these threads and listen to the crap that is talked around the place and decide they're worth $XXX because they heard some other guy from some other team was on that much.....

I guess since no one knows the answer to my question about the Prize money for winning the A Grade flag.....I'd like to pose another question. What makes Brodie Holland the "Exception"??

What makes him worth what eer he is getting. What return will any of the clubs get for any money they spend on players.....just a poser for your comment....

 

[touch footy]

I guess since no one knows the answer to my question about the Prize money for winning the A Grade flag.....I'd like to pose another question. What makes Brodie Holland the "Exception"??

What makes him worth what eer he is getting. What return will any of the clubs get for any money they spend on players.....just a poser for your comment....

what is brodie on and what is he worth?

 

[bomber44]

what is brodie on and what is he worth?

I am only assuming that he is being paid $1000 or more I don't know what he is being paid. It is not a financial equation to decide whether he is worth it or not. As far as I am aware the 'prize money' for winning the grand final is about $2000-$3000. It's the same in the AFL, the prize money is no where near what is spent on players.

The value of Holland (and similar recruits) is measured by his fitness, performance level, experience, positive influence on other players etc etc and finally that he may be the difference in winning a flag, but not because of the prize money.

If Marby win a flag it will make it easier to attract new talent and hopefully develop a footy club from Under10's up not just at senior level.....

Ask Greenvale people what they think Paxman has been worth since joining them......

 

[mindbender]

I am only assuming that he is being paid $1000 or more I don't know what he is being paid. It is not a financial equation to decide whether he is worth it or not. As far as I am aware the 'prize money' for winning the grand final is about $2000-$3000. It's the same in the AFL, the prize money is no where near what is spent on players.

The value of Holland (and similar recruits) is measured by his fitness, performance level, experience, positive influence on other players etc etc and finally that he may be the difference in winning a flag, but not because of the prize money.

If Marby win a flag it will make it easier to attract new talent and hopefully develop a footy club from Under10's up not just at senior level.....

Ask Greenvale people what they think Paxman has been worth since joining them......

See your point, although I don't think you can compare the EDFL to the AFL in terms of revenue generating options. Most EDFL clubs live and die by their bar takings and I think getting marquee players like Brodie Holland to the club would see a significant spike in those in the 1st half of the year from people just wanting to see how he goes, which I think is great for the club and competition...

I am more interested to know though, how other players justify their value and how clubs can justify a $120,000 (Low End) to win A Cup, A Flag and $3,000. Seems like these financial policies are the same as those which were applied by US Credit Agencies

I know at our club last year we had young guys from 3 A Grade clubs come to us asking for a game as they had been told by their clubs they were no chance of a game in 2008. One of them an U/18A Comp winner so they were no ponies. I don't really think clubs with big wallets have demonstrated OBVIOUS development plans or stratgies....

 

[mickdundee]

gee you couldnt be futher from the truth but good try and good money if you can get it!!!

Hey you Doutta Boys, heard last night that there are about 15-20 new players down from the country training at the moment and some really good players.
You guys kept this very quite,secrets out!

Could be a good year .

 

[mindbender]

If the league allows Glenroy to stay in B grade they will set a dangerous precedent. As bad as it may be for the club to come up as they may cop some floggings etc the league can't let them stay down because it will open the door for teams to dominate B grade for long periods of time.
What would happen if Glenroy were allowed to stay in B grade, the players that were leaving come back or they recruit some and they win the 2009 B grade flag???? Can't see it happening.

Should the EDFL introduce a $100,000 licence fee (On paper) to ensure any club entering A Grade is financial enough to be at least competitive.

 

[bomber44]

See your point, although I don't think you can compare the EDFL to the AFL in terms of revenue generating options. Most EDFL clubs live and die by their bar takings and I think getting marquee players like Brodie Holland to the club would see a significant spike in those in the 1st half of the year from people just wanting to see how he goes, which I think is great for the club and competition...

I am more interested to know though, how other players justify their value and how clubs can justify a $120,000 (Low End) to win A Cup, A Flag and $3,000. Seems like these financial policies are the same as those which were applied by US Credit Agencies

I know at our club last year we had young guys from 3 A Grade clubs come to us asking for a game as they had been told by their clubs they were no chance of a game in 2008. One of them an U/18A Comp winner so they were no ponies. I don't really think clubs with big wallets have demonstrated OBVIOUS development plans or stratgies....

I think if clubs are still relying on the bar to survive then they're not ready to make a tilt at an A grade flag... Big sponsors are required for that.

You're absolutley right, there is no money to be made in running a local footy club, no matter how successful. As I say though, success breeds success. Clubs can use senior success to build overall success.

The issue you raise with U18's is a tough one. If a strong A grade club has a successful U18's team probably 10 or more of the would be top age. The fact is there won't be 10 spots available in the senior side. Some of these players may have to move one to other clubs.... It comes down to position as to who will stay. if the senior sides midfield is strong then you may well lose an U18 comp medal winner....

In the current economic climate clubs will more than likely start looking internally for new talent rather than splashing cash. Hopefully that becomes the norm from then on.....

 

[bricksta]

Hey you Doutta Boys, heard last night that there are about 15-20 new players down from the country training at the moment and some really good players.
You guys kept this very quite,secrets out!

Could be a good year .

HOW MANY..

i am going to get to training tomorrow night to have look..!

 

[mindbender]

I think if clubs are still relying on the bar to survive then they're not ready to make a tilt at an A grade flag... Big sponsors are required for that.

You're absolutley right, there is no money to be made in running a local footy club, no matter how successful. As I say though, success breeds success. Clubs can use senior success to build overall success.

The issue you raise with U18's is a tough one. If a strong A grade club has a successful U18's team probably 10 or more of the would be top age. The fact is there won't be 10 spots available in the senior side. Some of these players may have to move one to other clubs.... It comes down to position as to who will stay. if the senior sides midfield is strong then you may well lose an U18 comp medal winner....

In the current economic climate clubs will more than likely start looking internally for new talent rather than splashing cash. Hopefully that becomes the norm from then on.....

Yep agree. Can't just rely on the bar...unless you are Oak Park . I just think it's a bit if a shame when there are clubs like Glenroy who have done a great job to win a B Grade Flag in a very good competition who are now stranded without a big budget to even compete in A Grade.

My post's were more to try and provoke some comment from clubs who are paying $700++ for players as to where they see the value of these players...what do they bring to the club and what do they see as their returns on this investment, as we have discussed winning the flag has no obvious financial benefits...

 

[bomber44]

Yep agree. Can't just rely on the bar...unless you are Oak Park . I just think it's a bit if a shame when there are clubs like Glenroy who have done a great job to win a B Grade Flag in a very good competition who are now stranded without a big budget to even compete in A Grade.

My post's were more to try and provoke some comment from clubs who are paying $700++ for players as to where they see the value of these players...what do they bring to the club and what do they see as their returns on this investment, as we have discussed winning the flag has no obvious financial benefits...

I dont think you'll get a reply from those people....

You're absolutely right about Glenroy. It is a shame they have found themselves in a bit of strife. But the responsibility is with them to set in place a 3-5 year plan that carries on after promotion to A grade. I think a lot of clubs get caught out with winning the B grade flag being the end of the plan rather than a stepping stone along the way....

 

[mindbender]

I dont think you'll get a reply from those people....

You're absolutely right about Glenroy. It is a shame they have found themselves in a bit of strife. But the responsibility is with them to set in place a 3-5 year plan that carries on after promotion to A grade. I think a lot of clubs get caught out with winning the B grade flag being the end of the plan rather than a stepping stone along the way....

I think you're correct on both fronts.

I guess it's hard, although not impossible, to know that you will be able to secure a couple of $40,000 - $60,000 sponsors in 3 years time.

Interesting how we have been able to take a sport built on mateship and passion and turn it into a complicated not for profit business.

 

[Prophetic]

Hey you Doutta Boys, heard last night that there are about 15-20 new players down from the country training at the moment and some really good players.
You guys kept this very quite,secrets out!

Could be a good year .

Haha, very amusing.

Who are the 4 new blokes over 6 foot though?

 

[bricksta]

Haha, very amusing.

Who are the 4 new blokes over 6 foot though?

You blokes are very funny getting us all excited about the club!

 

[bomber44]

that is a big loss given the other blokes they have already lost. he is certainly replaceable but makes it hard after losing big simon potter as well.
a lot riding on the big shoulders of vinnie "massive nose" randello and the likes now.
can anyone confirm whether the peakes boys are hanging around?

So is Vinnie paying Ruck/Full Forward as well as midfield/HFF/HBF??? He really can do it all....

 

[Thatll Do Newto]

I dont think you'll get a reply from those people....

You're absolutely right about Glenroy. It is a shame they have found themselves in a bit of strife. But the responsibility is with them to set in place a 3-5 year plan that carries on after promotion to A grade. I think a lot of clubs get caught out with winning the B grade flag being the end of the plan rather than a stepping stone along the way....

the landscape changes very quickly in the local footy scene. It was only 10 years ago the boys from Buckley won the 1998 B Grade flag and then backed up with the 1999 A grade flag with a side that did not have too many changes.

It was the first and last time it will happen me thinks.

 

[No Rules]

What's peoples thoughts about having a stand alone U18 competition with three divisions? Effectively all clubs would be graded based on the last two years performances.
10 sides per division. The extra sides would come from the clubs that can field a second side.
Clubs like Marby, Keilor Park, East Keilor, Moonee Valley could all play Div 3 until they strengthen their playing stocks.
Let's face it - kids want to enjoy their footy - getting beaten by 15 goals + certainly will not help with their development.
What chance have any of these clubs got with player retention & development. This is the future of all clubs irrespective if you can afford to recruit sebior players, sooner or later you will need home grown players.
Interested to hear peoples thouights?

 

[saintson the march]

What's peoples thoughts about having a stand alone U18 competition with three divisions? Effectively all clubs would be graded based on the last two years performances.
10 sides per division. The extra sides would come from the clubs that can field a second side.
Clubs like Marby, Keilor Park, East Keilor, Moonee Valley could all play Div 3 until they strengthen their playing stocks.
Let's face it - kids want to enjoy their footy - getting beaten by 15 goals + certainly will not help with their development.
What chance have any of these clubs got with player retention & development. This is the future of all clubs irrespective if you can afford to recruit sebior players, sooner or later you will need home grown players.
Interested to hear peoples thouights?

Can see the merits of the idea, however under 18s need to play where the seniors and ressies play. Helps them feel more like part of the club and often at the struggling clubs senior players are needed to help out on game days with the under 18s. Marby have made their bed, they will just buy their way out of trouble, Keilor Park seem to be spending a bit rather than developing juniors, but it is catch 22, the 18s wont stay if the seniors are struggling.

Think the EDFL have it right having the third division 18s comp for the teams with excess players. The bigger immediate concern is clubs from the VAFA taking players from the talent pool after doing no work with them as juniors. As well as certain clubs offering to pay under 18 players...and not just Marby, one of the teams in the north are doing it and they have good numbers...very poor darts....

 

[Nemo]

Can see the merits of the idea, however under 18s need to play where the seniors and ressies play. Helps them feel more like part of the club and often at the struggling clubs senior players are needed to help out on game days with the under 18s. Marby have made their bed, they will just buy their way out of trouble, Keilor Park seem to be spending a bit rather than developing juniors, but it is catch 22, the 18s wont stay if the seniors are struggling.

Think the EDFL have it right having the third division 18s comp for the teams with excess players. The bigger immediate concern is clubs from the VAFA taking players from the talent pool after doing no work with them as juniors. As well as certain clubs offering to pay under 18 players...and not just Marby, one of the teams in the north are doing it and they have good numbers...very poor darts....

Agree entirely with the fact that something has to be done in regards to the U18's leaving to play U19s in the VAFA. Either the EDFL has to change the age groups to odd numbers .ie U 9, 11......19's or the grades/age groups need to be standardised throughout the state.

In regards to paying U18's no wonder the kids come up with big heads asking for money when they have yet to play a senior game. If clubs need to pay juniors it is a direct reflection on the club in that its junior program is up the s**t and they can't produce their own juniors, or they don't care about their home growns that have stuck with the club and just push them aside when the new "guns" come to play.

Maybe it is pro active thinking in sourcing the best juniors but surely it is not right.

 

[bricksta]

So is Vinnie paying Ruck/Full Forward as well as midfield/HFF/HBF??? He really can do it all....

What is the news coming out of Strathmore...?

Seemed to have lost a few but no news on many coming in..

 

[mindbender]

Re: EDFL moves

I also think the leauge should introduce a rule which states that unless a player changes his address, if registered with a club at or after the age of 14, that he can't be cleared to another EDFL club until the age of 21.

This will avoid clubs poaching other clubs junior players and reward a club who has developed and supported a junior player who then moves away to another club for money.

Nemo...just some ideas I posted a while ago.....I don't think there is 1 quick fix for any of this but some ideas need to be generated....

 

[sierra]

Hey you Doutta Boys, heard last night that there are about 15-20 new players down from the country training at the moment and some really good players.
You guys kept this very quite,secrets out!

Could be a good year .

Mick, no fanfare just going about our business and that is to get the best team on the park without investing large amounts of the folding stuff. Surprising and refreshing that there are blokes around who just want to play for a great club and with their mates.

 

[Prophetic]

Agree entirely with the fact that something has to be done in regards to the U18's leaving to play U19s in the VAFA. Either the EDFL has to change the age groups to odd numbers .ie U 9, 11......19's or the grades/age groups need to be standardised throughout the state.

In regards to paying U18's no wonder the kids come up with big heads asking for money when they have yet to play a senior game. If clubs need to pay juniors it is a direct reflection on the club in that its junior program is up the s**t and they can't produce their own juniors, or they don't care about their home growns that have stuck with the club and just push them aside when the new "guns" come to play.

Maybe it is pro active thinking in sourcing the best juniors but surely it is not right.

I know Abers, Greenvale and co. have been pushing to introduce u19's for a long time to stop amateur clubs poaching players. I think the biggest issue for the EDFL is that it adds one extra age group because you start at u/9's rather than u/10's so that is a lot of hard work to organise? But maybe someone else has more info?

Stratmore have opposed u/19s in the past as well, I dunno what their stance is on it now, maybe soemone from Strathmore can fill you in. It seems pretty stupid because they would lose more players to amateur clubs than anyone I would've have thought.

 

[EDFL_Knowall]

So is Vinnie paying Ruck/Full Forward as well as midfield/HFF/HBF??? He really can do it all....

that is probably greenvale's best chance of wiining the flag this year if he does. his nose is big enough to use in the ruck contests, then he can use his fantastic fitness base to cover all the ground that he usually does.

would love to see a randello v brodie holland match up...2 real big engines going at it.

 

[bomber44]

that is probably greenvale's best chance of wiining the flag this year if he does. his nose is big enough to use in the ruck contests, then he can use his fantastic fitness base to cover all the ground that he usually does.

would love to see a randello v brodie holland match up...2 real big engines going at it.

Are you Vinnie's mum?? You seem to be a big fan!!

Do agree though that would be a great match-up to see...