EDFL Premier Div 2019

[Turbos mail]

Some big names leaving Pacco Polizzi/Foster to name a couple. Power brokers of the club were seen yesterday looking rather displeased! Watch this space.

Really.. Well I’m not sure on what Polizzi is doing but Foster definitely staying at this point unless things change and he heads back to WA.

Both have been loyal servants to Pacco.

 

[Localblues]

Been reading all these posts and your the unlucky one I will reply to but it’s a general based reply to all the critics. Not directed personally at you.

-Pacco have improved this season if you checked the ladder positions.
-Has anyone researched the list from yesterday’s final and a few under 19s played. Probably a tough day for these young boys as they are lightly built youngsters.
-Outside maybe Archer who are the big name recruits that Digby/Pacco recruited?
-They turned over the list in a big way and have focused on bringing back homegrown players.
-Compare the list’s of all finalists from this weekend and I’m sure the playing budget of Pacco is less than the other 3. Maybe Strathmore is similar but don’t tell there guns are not getting well paid and O’brien didn’t play. I will say the Strathmore coach is arguably on the lowest wage. But who cares as long as players payments are fulfilled as per contracts then I don’t have a problem with it.

•I agree they started the season well and kind of fell away at the end. Horrible conditions which is unusual for finals. Suited Strathmore more than Pacco. That’s no excuse but I believe on a sunny day at Windy Hill they definitely have the firepower up forward. They probably need at least 1 bigger bodied midfielder with a presence as most of there mids are smaller running types. They were flying when VFL listed Mellington was playing so that tells me they lack that type of player. Big Giles going down in pre season didn’t help either but agree all sides have injuries.

•The 3 sides left have the biggest junior participation numbers and have for many years. So the points system clearly favours these clubs and it will take years for others to catch up. Better get used to it. So being critical of Digby is not fair as these other 3 clubs have been given a clear advantage under this system and clearly have more depth.

To close out Keilor will win the premiership by 60+ points. I know for a fact McGuagne was more worried about Pacco than Abers or Strathmore. Reason being Pacco always are competitive against Keilor and seem to match up well against them.

ALSO can someone please explain to me why div2 Grand Final is played at Windy Hill and Premier footy is pushed to Coburg City Oval. Just another example of poor management. Play the best standard at the best ground. When will this league become more professional.
EDFL standard of footy has gone backwards over recent seasons. Standard has dropped a fair way compared to 5-10 years ago. It’s become very scrappy and the result of this final was an indication of why..

Cheers
Turbs..

Your clutching at straws if you think mcguane was more worried about a side keilor has beaten the last 7 times they have played, than the team that has won 3 of the last 4 flags.

 

[Rabies]

Your clutching at straws if you think mcguane was more worried about a side keilor has beaten the last 7 times they have played, than the team that has won 3 of the last 4 flags.
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Well Keilor beat Abers by 6 goals both times this year and Pacco by 4 points and 9 points , so they do match up quite well

 

[the horse whisper]

Totally untrue and a poor post Horse. He gives is all for that club. He wouldn’t be telling Digby how to coach and his not involved in the coaching panel.

I’m sure you can’t say Pacco are currently sitting in a position like the Keilors, Abers and Strathmores.
Do you want to see other clubs challenge or do you just like seeing the same clubs compete in the Grand Final each year???

Pacco are doing there best to compete and as off 2019 are ranked the 4th best club. Yes they want to do better but they are up having a crack.

Morgs might just know you Horse..

BTW: Bicer was not let go and went on to a higher position with a role at the Western Bulldogs. He was held in high regard..

Pac-Man - didn’t set the world on fire. Hasn’t coached much since Pacco days. Agree he might have been moved on but from memory stepped in after Bicer left to pursue further opportunities after Bicer was reappointed.

Contessa- Had a decent go and even he would say it was time for a change. Another who was well liked at Pacco and still is. Great clubman.

Hardingham- Im not convinced capt/coaches or Co coaches is the best way forward in premier league. Another who left on good terms and nice bloke.

Trust me Morgan had a lot of say when Bicer, Paxman and contessa were coaching.
Not only that he recruited players without consulting the coach. They are facts and come from Pacco players and ex coaches that I’ve spoken too.

 

[Turbos mail]

Your clutching at straws if you think mcguane was more worried about a side keilor has beaten the last 7 times they have played, than the team that has won 3 of the last 4 flags.

Maybe ask McGuane then. But it’s irrelevant as Pacco are out of finals.

 

[Turbos mail]

Pacco really should have won at Keilor early on. But McGuane just gets his players to lift that bit extra. Best coach by a long way..

 

[leo tolstoy]

Thanks Star. 6, that’s even more commendable. Augurs well for the future. Points and salary cap has worked well to some extent. Forces clubs to focus more on their locals and younger guys. No doubt other clubs have headed the same way. Played with 30 points yesterday, which is just about their lowest since points system came in.

Possibly a reason why the points total needs to be lowered, especially in the lower divisions.

 

[ZingerAbed]

Maybe they weren’t good enough to get a game in the reserves. That reserves side is very strong and went through undefeated. Plus come finals times most sides are close to full strength so maybe those 2 just didn’t make the team.
So when Strathmore lose the seniors and their 18’s win will those 6 players play in the 19’s grand final??
Or will u play the boys that played in the prelim... we all know that answer

Not saying it’s the wrong thing to do but Abers definitely do it.

I wouldn’t blame Strathmore for playing those 6 playing if they are available, pick your best possible side I think.

It’s one of those things - unfair or unlucky for those that miss out maybe, if you’re not good enough though then stiff. It’s definitely one that people could disagree on

 

[Sickofthecrap]

Talking about dropping blokes that have played reserves all year (except 2/3 games) into the U19’s.
They did it yesterday with 2 players so don’t say it’s BS.

That’s a completely different argument, actually it’s not, 19’s that play 1’s should always be able go to the 19’s at any stage


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[Johndoe]

Been reading all these posts and your the unlucky one I will reply to but it’s a general based reply to all the critics. Not directed personally at you.

-Pacco have improved this season if you checked the ladder positions.
-Has anyone researched the list from yesterday’s final and a few under 19s played. Probably a tough day for these young boys as they are lightly built youngsters.
-Outside maybe Archer who are the big name recruits that Digby/Pacco recruited?
-They turned over the list in a big way and have focused on bringing back homegrown players.
-Compare the list’s of all finalists from this weekend and I’m sure the playing budget of Pacco is less than the other 3. Maybe Strathmore is similar but don’t tell there guns are not getting well paid and O’brien didn’t play. I will say the Strathmore coach is arguably on the lowest wage. But who cares as long as players payments are fulfilled as per contracts then I don’t have a problem with it.

•I agree they started the season well and kind of fell away at the end. Horrible conditions which is unusual for finals. Suited Strathmore more than Pacco. That’s no excuse but I believe on a sunny day at Windy Hill they definitely have the firepower up forward. They probably need at least 1 bigger bodied midfielder with a presence as most of there mids are smaller running types. They were flying when VFL listed Mellington was playing so that tells me they lack that type of player. Big Giles going down in pre season didn’t help either but agree all sides have injuries.

•The 3 sides left have the biggest junior participation numbers and have for many years. So the points system clearly favours these clubs and it will take years for others to catch up. Better get used to it. So being critical of Digby is not fair as these other 3 clubs have been given a clear advantage under this system and clearly have more depth.

To close out Keilor will win the premiership by 60+ points. I know for a fact McGuagne was more worried about Pacco than Abers or Strathmore. Reason being Pacco always are competitive against Keilor and seem to match up well against them.

ALSO can someone please explain to me why div2 Grand Final is played at Windy Hill and Premier footy is pushed to Coburg City Oval. Just another example of poor management. Play the best standard at the best ground. When will this league become more professional.
EDFL standard of footy has gone backwards over recent seasons. Standard has dropped a fair way compared to 5-10 years ago. It’s become very scrappy and the result of this final was an indication of why..

Cheers
Turbs..

I take it as a compliment that you decided to quote me over the other fans you have on here Turbs!

I’d suggest bring in McConnell, Allan, Ogden all on $1k + (I Don’t know what Archer and Johncock would command) would suggest they’ve tried to top up again. Granted ones a junior coming back, and the others aren’t quite as experienced as previous recruits.

In my opinion they have tried to for a quickish fix again by bringing players in on the premise of $. I just think they would have expected to win a final and they didn’t. The back end of their season was stuttering at best.

 

[Turbos mail]

I take it as a compliment that you decided to quote me over the other fans you have on here Turbs!

I’d suggest bring in McConnell, Allan, Ogden all on $1k + (I Don’t know what Archer and Johncock would command) would suggest they’ve tried to top up again. Granted ones a junior coming back, and the others aren’t quite as experienced as previous recruits.

In my opinion they have tried to for a quickish fix again by bringing players in on the premise of $. I just think they would have expected to win a final and they didn’t. The back end of their season was stuttering at best.

Not sure those estimates are correct but why don’t you review other lists as well. Most recruits in the right age bracket to push forward.
Pacco made the finals but would be disappointed in losing the final this way. But hey they move on.

 

[Foss32]

Not sure those estimates are correct but why don’t you review other lists as well. Most recruits in the right age bracket to push forward.
Pacco made the finals but would be disappointed in losing the final this way. But hey they move on.

Turbo you’re a real piece of work I’m pretty sure during the year you were crowing quite loudly how good pacoe were and how they’d shake the finals up...

Now you’re finding every ****ing excuse under the son.
Just admit it mate they underachieved this year and they didn’t turn up for the elim final


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[Turbos mail]

Turbo you’re a real piece of work I’m pretty sure during the year you were crowing quite loudly how good pacoe were and how they’d shake the finals up...

Now you’re finding every ******* excuse under the son.
Just admit it mate they underachieved this year and they didn’t turn up for the elim final


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Underachieved by 1 position. Most punters had them 3rd or 4th so it’s “just” below a pass mark. Hopefully hold onto the list and recruit 2 or 3 more and have another crack. They were thinking 2020 when they built the list this season.

 

[Big Block]

Been reading all these posts and your the unlucky one I will reply to but it’s a general based reply to all the critics. Not directed personally at you.

-Pacco have improved this season if you checked the ladder positions.
-Has anyone researched the list from yesterday’s final and a few under 19s played. Probably a tough day for these young boys as they are lightly built youngsters.
-Outside maybe Archer who are the big name recruits that Digby/Pacco recruited?
-They turned over the list in a big way and have focused on bringing back homegrown players.
-Compare the list’s of all finalists from this weekend and I’m sure the playing budget of Pacco is less than the other 3. Maybe Strathmore is similar but don’t tell there guns are not getting well paid and O’brien didn’t play. I will say the Strathmore coach is arguably on the lowest wage. But who cares as long as players payments are fulfilled as per contracts then I don’t have a problem with it.

•I agree they started the season well and kind of fell away at the end. Horrible conditions which is unusual for finals. Suited Strathmore more than Pacco. That’s no excuse but I believe on a sunny day at Windy Hill they definitely have the firepower up forward. They probably need at least 1 bigger bodied midfielder with a presence as most of there mids are smaller running types. They were flying when VFL listed Mellington was playing so that tells me they lack that type of player. Big Giles going down in pre season didn’t help either but agree all sides have injuries.

•The 3 sides left have the biggest junior participation numbers and have for many years. So the points system clearly favours these clubs and it will take years for others to catch up. Better get used to it. So being critical of Digby is not fair as these other 3 clubs have been given a clear advantage under this system and clearly have more depth.

To close out Keilor will win the premiership by 60+ points. I know for a fact McGuagne was more worried about Pacco than Abers or Strathmore. Reason being Pacco always are competitive against Keilor and seem to match up well against them.

ALSO can someone please explain to me why div2 Grand Final is played at Windy Hill and Premier footy is pushed to Coburg City Oval. Just another example of poor management. Play the best standard at the best ground. When will this league become more professional.
EDFL standard of footy has gone backwards over recent seasons. Standard has dropped a fair way compared to 5-10 years ago. It’s become very scrappy and the result of this final was an indication of why..

Cheers
Turbs..

Laughing stock of the edfl

 

[Rabies]

Laughing stock of the edfl

Go get a job Big Block and change your name to Big Blockhead

 

[Sickofthecrap]

Underachieved by 1 position. Most punters had them 3rd or 4th so it’s “just” below a pass mark. Hopefully hold onto the list and recruit 2 or 3 more and have another crack. They were thinking 2020 when they built the list this season.

That’s all you can do, fast forward 12 months and you’ll be saying the plan is 2021


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[Johndoe]

Not sure those estimates are correct but why don’t you review other lists as well. Most recruits in the right age bracket to push forward.
Pacco made the finals but would be disappointed in losing the final this way. But hey they move on.

The ones i quoted are fact. Add significant sign ons to at least one of those and i'dc class them as significant recruits. Granted they are in the right age bracket, which is a change from previous seasons.

I'd argue that of the established A Grade clubs over the last 5 - 6 years (Abers, Keilor, Strathmore, GV, Paco, Marby, EDS & Avondale) they have only performed better than Avondale and Douttas over that time, let's say since 2015. I'd be hugely disappointed if i was tipping in at Paco

 

[Stax on the mill]

Been reading all these posts and your the unlucky one I will reply to but it’s a general based reply to all the critics. Not directed personally at you.

-Pacco have improved this season if you checked the ladder positions.
-Has anyone researched the list from yesterday’s final and a few under 19s played. Probably a tough day for these young boys as they are lightly built youngsters.
-Outside maybe Archer who are the big name recruits that Digby/Pacco recruited?
-They turned over the list in a big way and have focused on bringing back homegrown players.
-Compare the list’s of all finalists from this weekend and I’m sure the playing budget of Pacco is less than the other 3. Maybe Strathmore is similar but don’t tell there guns are not getting well paid and O’brien didn’t play. I will say the Strathmore coach is arguably on the lowest wage. But who cares as long as players payments are fulfilled as per contracts then I don’t have a problem with it.

•I agree they started the season well and kind of fell away at the end. Horrible conditions which is unusual for finals. Suited Strathmore more than Pacco. That’s no excuse but I believe on a sunny day at Windy Hill they definitely have the firepower up forward. They probably need at least 1 bigger bodied midfielder with a presence as most of there mids are smaller running types. They were flying when VFL listed Mellington was playing so that tells me they lack that type of player. Big Giles going down in pre season didn’t help either but agree all sides have injuries.

•The 3 sides left have the biggest junior participation numbers and have for many years. So the points system clearly favours these clubs and it will take years for others to catch up. Better get used to it. So being critical of Digby is not fair as these other 3 clubs have been given a clear advantage under this system and clearly have more depth.

To close out Keilor will win the premiership by 60+ points. I know for a fact McGuagne was more worried about Pacco than Abers or Strathmore. Reason being Pacco always are competitive against Keilor and seem to match up well against them.

ALSO can someone please explain to me why div2 Grand Final is played at Windy Hill and Premier footy is pushed to Coburg City Oval. Just another example of poor management. Play the best standard at the best ground. When will this league become more professional.
EDFL standard of footy has gone backwards over recent seasons. Standard has dropped a fair way compared to 5-10 years ago. It’s become very scrappy and the result of this final was an indication of why..

Cheers
Turbs..

Few excuses there Turbo. Some of which just don’t stack up. 19 scoring shots to 4 is a shellacking.

First of all you say the conditions suited Strathmore, but you don’t say why.

Secondly you mentioned having a few lightly built under 19 youngsters in the team, and the conditions would have been difficult for them. Strathmore had 6 lightly built under 19 youngsters in their team.

Thirdly you point to the advantages enjoyed by Abers, Keilor and Strathmore due to having large numbers of juniors coming through. For years you have been barrelling Strathmore, in particular for bringing in high points ex AFL/VFL players, and supposedly neglecting their local players, even though Pacco have been doing precisely the same, and continue to do so. Now, when Strathmore have gone down the youth path, and are obviously, largely concentrating on bringing through their juniors to play in the senior team, you bemoan their ability to do that as well. Make up your mind.

Agree with you as far as playing Premier Grade finals at Windy Hill. Also agree that overall the standard has slipped. Keilor and Abers are just as strong as any of the past finalists. Strathmore, Greenvale and Pacco a rung or 2 below. After that the standard falls away dramatically.

 

[Joey Montoro]

Few excuses there Turbo. Some of which just don’t stack up. 19 scoring shots to 4 is a shellacking.

First of all you say the conditions suited Strathmore, but you don’t say why.

Secondly you mentioned having a few lightly built under 19 youngsters in the team, and the conditions would have been difficult for them. Strathmore had 6 lightly built under 19 youngsters in their team.

Thirdly you point to the advantages enjoyed by Abers, Keilor and Strathmore due to having large numbers of juniors coming through. For years you have been barrelling Strathmore, in particular for bringing in high points ex AFL/VFL players, and supposedly neglecting their local players, even though Pacco have been doing precisely the same, and continue to do so. Now, when Strathmore have gone down the youth path, and are obviously, largely concentrating on bringing through their juniors to play in the senior team, you bemoan their ability to do that as well. Make up your mind.

Agree with you as far as playing Premier Grade finals at Windy Hill. Also agree that overall the standard has slipped. Keilor and Abers are just as strong as any of the past finalists. Strathmore, Greenvale and Pacco a rung or 2 below. After that the standard falls away dramatically.

Stax, do you think this trend will continue? The standard across premier in general? It’s interesting to crystal ball and see what may be in 5 years time, in particular to the two aspects you raise.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Stax, do you think this trend will continue? The standard across premier in general? It’s interesting to crystal ball and see what may be in 5 years time, in particular to the two aspects you raise.

Not sure Joey. Certainly hope not. It does seem to be an increasing trend across most of the comps, with the possible exception of the VAFA. There’s almost a degree of inevitably pre season as to the composition of the final 4 or 5. The others are desperately battling right from the outset every year to try and scrape together just enough wins to ensure they don’t get relegated. There is absolutely no hope under the present system that some of those clubs will ever play finals in the Premier Grade.

It must be exceptionally hard for some clubs, due to population and cultural demographics, lack of schools close by, shortage of sponsorship money, and also lack of football and financial expertise on their committees.

I’m not sure what the answer is. I know I’ve railed in the past ( only recently ) against giving extra player points to some clubs to try and ensure they are competitive. I look on it as a form of socialism, and find it hard to take seriously a competition where there are different handicap rules for some clubs over others.

You may find situation where a club with 47 player points wins the flag against a team with 41 player points. Or a team with 43 player points gets relegated, whilst a team with 47 player points survives. In my eyes a ludicrous situation. However it may be the only way to ensure a more even ( not necessarily fairer ) competition.

I know I didn’t really address your main point, which was more about the standard of the competition. But those are my thoughts.

 

[Oldtimesceptic]

Not sure Joey. Certainly hope not. It does seem to be an increasing trend across most of the comps, with the possible exception of the VAFA. There’s almost a degree of inevitably pre season as to the composition of the final 4 or 5. The others are desperately battling right from the outset every year to try and scrape together just enough wins to ensure they don’t get relegated. There is absolutely no hope under the present system that some of those clubs will ever play finals in the Premier Grade.

It must be exceptionally hard for some clubs, due to population and cultural demographics, lack of schools close by, shortage of sponsorship money, and also lack of football and financial expertise on their committees.

I’m not sure what the answer is. I know I’ve railed in the past ( only recently ) against giving extra player points to some clubs to try and ensure they are competitive. I look on it as a form of socialism, and find it hard to take seriously a competition where there are different handicap rules for some clubs over others.

You may find situation where a club with 47 player points wins the flag against a team with 41 player points. Or a team with 43 player points gets relegated, whilst a team with 47 player points survives. In my eyes a ludicrous situation. However it may be the only way to ensure a more even ( not necessarily fairer ) competition.

I know I didn’t really address your main point, which was more about the standard of the competition. But those are my thoughts.

Good points Stax. What are your thoughts on junior kids having residential boundaries / zones? Some may say its unfair on the better clubs, but if points dont work or salary cap not sure what else EDFL can try to even out the competition.

 

[Wow61]

Few excuses there Turbo. Some of which just don’t stack up. 19 scoring shots to 4 is a shellacking.

First of all you say the conditions suited Strathmore, but you don’t say why.

Secondly you mentioned having a few lightly built under 19 youngsters in the team, and the conditions would have been difficult for them. Strathmore had 6 lightly built under 19 youngsters in their team.

Thirdly you point to the advantages enjoyed by Abers, Keilor and Strathmore due to having large numbers of juniors coming through. For years you have been barrelling Strathmore, in particular for bringing in high points ex AFL/VFL players, and supposedly neglecting their local players, even though Pacco have been doing precisely the same, and continue to do so. Now, when Strathmore have gone down the youth path, and are obviously, largely concentrating on bringing through their juniors to play in the senior team, you bemoan their ability to do that as well. Make up your mind.

Agree with you as far as playing Premier Grade finals at Windy Hill. Also agree that overall the standard has slipped. Keilor and Abers are just as strong as any of the past finalists. Strathmore, Greenvale and Pacco a rung or 2 below. After that the standard falls away dramatically.

Was going to post something similar Stax. Plenty on here early in the season ruled out Strathmore from playing finals as the top 4 was set and couldnt change according to the experts. A few questioned the coaching appointment as well. Fantastic season by Mores even if it does end this week.

 

[Sickofthecrap]

Good points Stax. What are your thoughts on junior kids having residential boundaries / zones? Some may say its unfair on the better clubs, but if points dont work or salary cap not sure what else EDFL can try to even out the competition.

This has been put up before, total BS, it’s not school, but sport, eg. If I played 200 games for Keilor and live in Hillside, I’ll take my kid to Keilor if I want, end of story.


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[leo tolstoy]

Few excuses there Turbo. Some of which just don’t stack up. 19 scoring shots to 4 is a shellacking.

First of all you say the conditions suited Strathmore, but you don’t say why.

Secondly you mentioned having a few lightly built under 19 youngsters in the team, and the conditions would have been difficult for them. Strathmore had 6 lightly built under 19 youngsters in their team.

Thirdly you point to the advantages enjoyed by Abers, Keilor and Strathmore due to having large numbers of juniors coming through. For years you have been barrelling Strathmore, in particular for bringing in high points ex AFL/VFL players, and supposedly neglecting their local players, even though Pacco have been doing precisely the same, and continue to do so. Now, when Strathmore have gone down the youth path, and are obviously, largely concentrating on bringing through their juniors to play in the senior team, you bemoan their ability to do that as well. Make up your mind.

Agree with you as far as playing Premier Grade finals at Windy Hill. Also agree that overall the standard has slipped. Keilor and Abers are just as strong as any of the past finalists. Strathmore, Greenvale and Pacco a rung or 2 below. After that the standard falls away dramatically.

Think premier division can survive having an elimination final at Coburg.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Good points Stax. What are your thoughts on junior kids having residential boundaries / zones? Some may say its unfair on the better clubs, but if points dont work or salary cap not sure what else EDFL can try to even out the competition.

Thanks OldTime. Think zones for juniors would cause too much angst. Too much big brother. Bit tough telling young kids they can’t go and play with their mates at a club because they live one street out of the zone for that club. Or someone not allowed to play at the club where their brother/father played because they’re now in the wrong zone.
Could be a real minefield.