EDFL Premier Division 2017

[Johndoe]

Vezpremi down to 4 points now I believe (out of AFL system 3 years)
But I still think they will struggle with points each week.

I don't think that's the way the system works

A player is allocated their points prior to joining a club, they are then allowed a 1 point reduction for each year of service

Each player isn't re-evaluated at the beginning of each season, only new players to your club

 

[mickdundee]

Early Prediction.
Ladder.

Doutta Star
Strathmore
Keilor
Maribyrnong Park

Pascoe Vale
Aberfeldie
Greenvale
Avondale Heights
West Coburg
Craigieburn

Comp Best & Fairest- Will Martinello
Leading Goalkicker- Rose

 

[callmecrazy]

Early Prediction.
Ladder.

Doutta Star
Strathmore
Keilor
Maribyrnong Park

Pascoe Vale
Aberfeldie
Greenvale
Avondale Heights
West Coburg
Craigieburn

Comp Best & Fairest- Will Martinello
Leading Goalkicker- Rose

Mickdindee, Your top 4 is spot on. However, it could change with Marby and Pacco. The they way the recruiting has been taking place I did say earlier that the top 4 would be a new look in 2017.

 

[goalside]

Early Prediction.
Ladder.

Doutta Star
Strathmore
Keilor
Maribyrnong Park

Pascoe Vale
Aberfeldie
Greenvale
Avondale Heights
West Coburg
Craigieburn

Comp Best & Fairest- Will Martinello
Leading Goalkicker- Rose

wow, starting to change. I'd like to see a Avo or West Coburg in the top 4 aswell,....perhaps even Pacco...- Geez I can't believe I said that! - I take it back, wash my mouth out!!!) The others are fine though..

 

[runstraight]

ladder prediction
Douttas (however if they get pinged for player signons which all the talk is about how much they've done it could be premiership points deducted)
Keilor
Marby
Pascoe
Avondale
Greenvale
Strathmore
Aberfeldie
Craigieburn
West Coburg

 

[sierra]

ladder prediction
Douttas (however if they get pinged for player signons which all the talk is about how much they've done it could be premiership points deducted)
Keilor
Marby
Pascoe
Avondale
Greenvale
Strathmore
Aberfeldie
Craigieburn
West Coburg

Blah blah! If any clubs should be worried about sign ons it would be Mores and Paco

 

[the horse whisper]

Blah blah! If any clubs should be worried about sign ons it would be Mores and Paco

Sign ons are allowed

 

[runstraight]

Sign ons are allowed

since when? last I heard they weren't part of the salary cap?

 

[Turbos mail]

Blah blah! If any clubs should be worried about sign ons it would be Mores and Paco

No sign ons at Pacco so maybe get your facts right Sierra.. Blah Blah Blah..

 

[sierra]

No sign ons at Pacco so maybe get your facts right Sierra.. Blah Blah Blah..

Exactly the reaction I would expect Turbo

 

[runstraight]

nobody denying douttas sign ons? haha

 

[the horse whisper]

since when? last I heard they weren't part of the salary cap?

The draft copy said no sign ons but they changed that to allow sign ons and to pay for finals

 

[Billyblogs]

The draft copy said no sign ons but they changed that to allow sign ons and to pay for finals

Finals couldn't be part of the cap? Maybe triple time for finals

 

[runstraight]

The draft copy said no sign ons but they changed that to allow sign ons and to pay for finals

is there a copy of this floating about? I didn't know that was the final changes....

 

[the horse whisper]

is there a copy of this floating about? I didn't know that was the final changes....

http://www.aflvic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Player-Payment-Framework-Guidelines.pdf

 

[SEMPAI]

Good post Gremlin.

I can't make sense of what Douttas are doing from a points point of view. I can only imagine Fletcher may not play or they're expecting a few players to not play regularly

At a rough calculation: Allan (3), Pfeifer (4) Hughes (3) Hartwig (3) Veszpremi (6) Schroder (5) Marklew (3) Boyse (3) - 30 points across 8 players. Leaving 18 points for your remaining 14 players. Include Fletcher in that calculation and Douttas might run around with the bare 18 come round 1 next year!

And don't even get started on the salary cap! Talk about a so called "soft cap" for 2017. Douttas must be very very close to the max! Wonder how much investigation will be done in regards to this for next season as if i was looking for a club to investigate i certainly know where i'd start!

Not sure about the others but Boyse is a one pointer played his junior football at doutta's

 

[THE DREBSTER]

Sign ons are allowed in 2017 so if Pacco have any they are fine, not saying they have but point being they are ok.

I'll be at Fredericks for some Xmas cheer this Friday if anyone wants to see how it's done by an ole pro

THE DREBSTER

 

[Turbos mail]

Sign ons are allowed in 2017 so if Pacco have any they are fine, not saying they have but point being they are ok.

I'll be at Fredericks for some Xmas cheer this Friday if anyone wants to see how it's done by an ole pro

THE DREBSTER

Good stuff and enjoy the night.

So my point from last season regarding this new system is pretty much on the mark. The stakeholders didn't think about this properly before implementing it, and now changing things which is more work for club volunteers..

I don't agree with sign ons unless it's an upfront payment with less weekly payments. If it's just extra $$ to get the player to sign with your club I'm totally against it unless it's a playing coach or assistant in where they have to put in more hrs into the role..Players in my view should be only paid for games played (maybe incl finals) plus incentives for weekly best 5 players in whereas if a player plays well he gets some extra $$.
For example:
Club A - pays 4 players a $5 k sign on = 20k.. *risk is do they all perform on a weekly basis??

Club B - pays weekly awards of 5 x $200 for best 5 players. Or 4 best and MVP (most valuable player) player. = approx 18-20k *your best are getting paid.

Note: if a player requests a sign on, then surely he would be confident of being in the best 5 most weeks which would guarantee him around 3k extra per season with club B. Or do they sign with club A and possibly rip them off come end of season..

However I totally understand you need to find the extra 20k but if the majority or your players are getting paid "true" market value then I think this money can be allocated from the budget. I guess your marquee players might be getting well paid however you would hope most players are at your club for the right reasons and not just for the $$. And yes we talk of "homegrowns" who played juniors at the club but some senior players who you recruit and stay for a number of years (probably more than 3) would be classed as "home" players by most people I reckon..

Cheers..

 

[callmecrazy]

T

Good stuff and enjoy the night.

So my point from last season regarding this new system is pretty much on the mark. The stakeholders didn't think about this properly before implementing it, and now changing things which is more work for club volunteers..

I don't agree with sign ons unless it's an upfront payment with less weekly payments. If it's just extra $$ to get the player to sign with your club I'm totally against it unless it's a playing coach or assistant in where they have to put in more hrs into the role..Players in my view should be only paid for games played (maybe incl finals) plus incentives for weekly best 5 players in whereas if a player plays well he gets some extra $$.
For example:
Club A - pays 4 players a $5 k sign on = 20k.. *risk is do they all perform on a weekly basis??

Club B - pays weekly awards of 5 x $200 for best 5 players. Or 4 best and MVP (most valuable player) player. = approx 18-20k *your best are getting paid.

Note: if a player requests a sign on, then surely he would be confident of being in the best 5 most weeks which would guarantee him around 3k extra per season with club B. Or do they sign with club A and possibly rip them off come end of season..

However I totally understand you need to find the extra 20k but if the majority or your players are getting paid "true" market value then I think this money can be allocated from the budget. I guess your marquee players might be getting well paid however you would hope most players are at your club for the right reasons and not just for the $$. And yes we talk of "homegrowns" who played juniors at the club but some senior players who you recruit and stay for a number of years (probably more than 3) would be classed as "home" players by most people I reckon..

Cheers..

Turbo, You make good sense and thanks for the note, well thought out. I also don't agree with classifying up front payments as a way to attract or payout extra dollars. Performance based is a good way to ensure the "Superstars" of the Game do actually perform and deliver value for money.

 

[Graceland]

This is correct and Boyce is only one point. This means 7 players attract 25 points and as all other players apart from Fletcher are 1 point I'm pretty sure points won't be an issue this coming season.

Was Vezpremi a 7 pointer this year? If so he only looses 1 point for each year of service so would be 6 points next year also Jack Landt from Sunbury would be a 4 point player( the standard 3 points coming from a major league plus an extra point for winning Sunburys goal kicking)

 

[Turbos mail]

Was Vezpremi a 7 pointer this year? If so he only looses 1 point for each year of service so would be 6 points next year also Jack Landt from Sunbury would be a 4 point player( the standard 3 points coming from a major league plus an extra point for winning Sunburys goal kicking)

Add Schroder who is a 5 pointer as well..

 

[Turbos mail]

Add Schroder who is a 5 pointer as well..

Actually being a recent Liston winner might be 6 points..

 

[the horse whisper]

Will Fletcher be a 6 pointer or a 5 pointer?? He was a registered player at EDS this season was just suspended. Will he drop by a point or do u have to play a game to get a point reduction

 

[Turbos mail]

Will Fletcher be a 6 pointer or a 5 pointer?? He was a registered player at EDS this season was just suspended. Will he drop by a point or do u have to play a game to get a point reduction

6 points as you must play a certain number of games. An example would be signing a VFL player as a feeder player and he doesn't play a game during the year it's not a 1 point deduction the following year.
However having said this the Essendon situation is an unusual one.

 

[Johndoe]

Hello again gents,
How are we all?
Just for the fun of it I'm gonna throw out my December ladder prediction and then look back in 10 months and laugh at how wrong is was

1) Keilor
- Can we really doubt Mighty Mick? Any side with Galea in it is a 5 goal better side and have quality through all 3 lines on the field. Hard to beat at home and super hard to score against. Wins: 14-15

2) Douttas
- No explanation needed here. One of the strongest teams on paper and Wallis rivals Mick as the leagues best coach. 'The double S' (Shylo and Schroder) will run riot at every ground in the league. The only possible question mark is with so many inclusions will it take time to gel? Wins: 13-14

3) Strathmore
- Another side that have gone about their signings well and have an array of quality 'A' grade EDFL players at their disposal coming in at 1-2 points due to years of commitment to the club. They've been down for too long and I hear the vibe around the club is similar to when they won flags. Wins: 12-14

4) Aberfieldie
- With "distractions" hitting the club in the offseason surely putting doubt in the minds of some players I can see a drop at Clifton Park. In saying that they're way too good for anyone to think they wont make the 4. Too much quality across the park and like always will have a strong percentage after beating on the "weaker" teams. Wins: 12-14

5) Greenvale
- I don't even know what to write about Greenvale. They've gone pretty quietly about their business this offseason and it's hard to get a grip on where they're really at. I fear Chapman will do more bad than good as he comes with some horrible references from Werribee. I really don't know. They could easily finish top 2 but also finish 6-8. So i'll stick them in the middle and say 5th. Wins: 10-12

6 & 7 Marby Park/Pascoe Vale
- I can't split these two. I love what Castello has done at Marby post G.A. Not that he had much option but he got rid of all the players there purely for the coin and would doubt theres another club that have played more original juniors through the senior system in the last 3 years. As previously mentioned he's a players coach and the players play for him. A VERY young side again and another year into them will do them wonders. Reminds me of when all the guns of Keilor were all 22-23 and look what they're doing as a club at now 27-28. Wins: 9-12
- I think my positioning for Pacco comes from previous seasons of let downs. I gather it must be like being an Arsenal supporter (for those who follow soccer) - So much promise through 3/4 of the season and when push comes to shove they crumble. I'd happily see Pacco go all the way and I don't mind them as a club but I'd need to see more than the last 3 years. Wins: 9-12

8: Avondale Heights:
Another tough year for the Heights in my opinion. Core group are good enough. The rest are not. Simple as that. Wins:6-8

9:Craigieburn
- Not much going on off-field and its a tough jump from playing Northern Saints and Hadfield to Abers and Keilor. They have some quality, but have lost alot too. Wins:5-7

10: West Coburg:
This years beat up boys I worry.
Players going to another club in the same league and same division is always a worry. Happened twice in 2 years now with Morano and Baravi both jumping to Maribyrnong Park. They will pull a few surprises but both good and bad ones. No doubt they'll have some success over a top4 side and then blow it the next week and lose to a Craigieburn/Avo in the true WC fashion. Win: 4-5

Not bad, a bit to generous in the wins column for each club however! Unless we've suddenly started playing a 22 round season!

I doubt that the bottom 2 sides will get 9 - 10 wins between them. i thought West Coburg seemed to be making some good progress over the last few years. Not sure if there's more to it but they have now lost Saad, Baravi, Morano, Drummond & Marwan (if reports are true that he's also on the move) over the last 2 seasons who have all been at the club for a period of time. Not only leaving but 3 of those players now playing against their former club.

Craigieburn have done well to rectify their situation with the eventual re-appointment of the coach. They have recruited a couple but i fear if they don't get some more players in they could also find themselves in a relegation battle. They may well get a few more in but there is a significant difference in the way the last Div 1 premiers have gone about they're first season back up in Premier

It's gonna be a tough season, i'd be surprised if all 3 of Marby, Paco and Greenvale missed finals. Would expect at least 1 of them to possibly sneak in. Not sure who i'd leave out at this stage though showing how tough it is going to be to even make the 4 next year let alone win it