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Recruiting EFC Trade/Draft Talk II with F/A rules in OP - Billings for a fourth rounder the latest rumour
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When statistics don't count for sh#t...
Cyril Rioli - Norm Smith Medalist 2015
14 kicks 2 handballs 2 tackles 2 goals
Gaff 16 kicks 18 handballs 2 tackles
Shuey 9 kicks 17 handballs 5 tackles
Pridis 9 kicks 16 handballs 7 tackles
Rack Watts
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Rioli had 9 score involvements, the cool thing about statistics is; apart from being relevant most of the time, they're also bendable to suit your cause. As you've done.
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Go back an watch the Daniel Rioli video keeping this in mind.
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*Highlights passage that focuses on his one good quarter.
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That's all it takes to tear the game apart.
We really need some players that can hit the scoreboard. We have players that collect a lot of touches for no hurt factor.
I'd be happy if we pick Lovell and I have nothing against him, but your summary really undersells the importance of kicking goals. I daresay that this is the most important stat from a small that we need on our list.
Look at Hawthorn and Adelaide. Betts and Rioli don't need to collect a lot of touches to kick a bag. Now I like Lovell because of his ability to win both the contested and uncontested possession, but if I had a choice between him and a damaging small forward, then I'd choose the latter. Not sold on Rioli filling that role for us however.
Maybe Hisham Kerbatieh? Not sure which one out of him and Rioli performed better.
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Didn't Kav have 14 disposals in one quarter against Geelong at the same time as Geelong slammed on 9 goals for the quarter.
We need class!
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You're kind of highlighting how it's a team game that requires more than one person turn up.
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I think at some level I'm going to be a little disappointed regardless of who we pick, simply because their are 4-5 players there I'd genuinely like to grab.
But Dodoro has drafted pretty damn well the last couple of year - I'd back in whoever we end up picking up at 4 and 5.
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And for what it's worth, **** you have to feel sorry for Parish.
Melbourne absolutely mangle first round draftees.
Melbourne absolutely mangle first round draftees.
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Not if you're invisible for the rest of the match.
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Boston is the third young player to walk/retire from the Suns this year, worrying signs.
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I asked KM earlier today, but does anyone think we're any chance of NOT taking a KPF with 4 or 5? Obviously it's a need, but I'm wondering if it's possible to cover for going for something like Francis and Oliver if we pick up a DFA or two, plus hopefully Brown/Hartley and draft tall next year. Thoughts?
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I feel the same way, I don't really want Weideman, but if our recruitment team nabs him, I'll assume it was the right call, because they've been red hot of late.
If we took Balic or Oliver early, I'd assume they've found something big in them that makes them a potential superstar.
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Cyril had a great game. But if you're looking at Norm Smith's, let's see who's won them since 2000:
2000: James Hird, 29 disposals, 2 goals
2001: Shaun Hart, 23 disposals
2002: Nathan Buckley, 32 disposals, 1 goal
2003: Simon Black, 39 disposals, 1 goal
2004: Byron Pickett, 20 disposals, 3 goals
2005: Chris Judd, 29 disposals
2006: Andrew Embley, 26 disposals, 2 goals
2007: Steve Johnson, 23 disposals, 3 goals
2008: Luke Hodge, 26 disposals, 1 goal
2009: Paul Chapman, 26 disposals, 3 goals
2010: Lenny Hayes, 32 disposals, 1 goal; Scott Pendlebury, 29 disposals
2011: Jimmy Bartel, 26 disposals, 3 goals
2012: Ryan O'Keefe, 28 disposals
2013: Brian Lake, 22 disposals
2014: Luke Hodge, 35 disposals, 2 goals
2015: Cyril Rioli, 16 disposals, 2 goals
So Cyril is the only player in the past 15 years to have less than 20 touches and win the Norm Smith. More often than not, midfielders win the NS and I'll bet my bottom dollar that a midfielder will win it next year.
Kicking goals is important, but Rioli doesn't kick that many goals as a small forward, and as the stats have shown, Lovell is a goal kicking midfielder. I'd rather back Edwards, McKenna and Fantasia in that role.
Seeing as this would only benefit us later in the draft, I cannot understand why?
A guy that struggles for kicks in a local league or juniors will struggle even more at afl level. Guys like betts or Cyril Rioli would be dominating the lower levels. I remember when Cyril played for NT u/18s in one game he started midfield was going well but then copped a leg injury which meant he couldn't run that well. He went forward and booted 6 goals. I recall the opposition coach comically saying he was happy when Cyril moved out of midfield due to injury but then he bobs up on virtually one leg booting 6.
This is a different level of performance from what we've seen daniel Rioli do in the u/18s. It's interesting they have some opposite traits. Cyril was a natural footballer with gun instincts who didn't test well for endurance and some other areas and this lowered his draft order according to recruiters.
Daniel Rioli on the other hand is not as naturally gifted as Cyril yet due to testing very well his draft order may have increased.
I always prefer the more natural footballer hence I don't think Daniel Rioli is worthy earlier than a pick in the 30s
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I'm still of the opinion we'll end up with Francis and Weideman at 4 & 5, but I think a combo of Francis and Oliver would be the most exciting (and probably risky) pair we could take.
Few querys on Oliver's kicking skills on the outside, but that acceleration out of the stoppage, room for development (since he's largely been out of the system) and size make him bloody interesting. Missing the national championships makes it tough to assess him too.
I probably wouldn't take him at 5, but it'd be tempting. Certainly deserves to be in the conversation more than Milera imo.
Few querys on Oliver's kicking skills on the outside, but that acceleration out of the stoppage, room for development (since he's largely been out of the system) and size make him bloody interesting. Missing the national championships makes it tough to assess him too.
I probably wouldn't take him at 5, but it'd be tempting. Certainly deserves to be in the conversation more than Milera imo.
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Could Oliver do a DeGooey and leap up to the top 5 because he has that explosion in stoppages and a high ceiling? That could also mean a Laverde will drop out of the first round 
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In the video, Rioli gave away 4 goals. He also missed a handful. So he could have had 5 or 6. He still kicked 3.
I don't believe Edwards, Fantasia or McKenna have anywhere near as much ability to steal the ball through quick hands and super quick closing speed. I think they will be flat out learning to kick a handful of goals, let alone defend at the same time. I hope I am proven wrong.
Edwards may have the ability to leap in all marking contests which is another Rioli trait. I find it hard to imagine the other 2 doing the same
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My god, highlights videos show highlights. He had a good game that day, yes. Should Travis Dean be Australia's next opening batsman because he made two unbeaten centuries on debut?
The skill you mention is handy, yes, but hardly a necessary requirement. They are very fast, have you seen any of them play?
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