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Mark Louguidace has only been prez under 12 months, the club at boardroom level has been piss poor for 20 years .. Far too early to condemn the big fella yet.

Really not much we as supporters can do, the previous coachin/recruiting thought we were much more closer to a flag then what we actually were, and made a series of horrific recruiting errors.

You can mount an argument that Docherty and Cripps will turn out to be more valuable players then kids drafted from the Ratten/Hughes era, so I think we are (slowly) getting the recruiting stuff right.

Stick fat with the club my friends
 
chunkylover53 said:
This.

No doubt it was the board who teed up Edleston in the box last night too.

We need a Melbourne style overhaul. We need to take 20 steps backwards, and ask the AFL for help.

We can't keep having these rich, shady guys funding us. We just ******* can't. The board and admin is where the culture is set in a club. Its the same as local level, and its the same in a business, and its the same as an AFL club.

I am not liking what I'm seeing thus far from Loguidance or however you spell it.
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Spot on we need a Melborne style overhaul. They have an amazing coach with strong assistants supporting him, professional and experienced.
They can spot talent and develop it too.
The team culture has been reset and there're finally going forward.
We defenitly need AFL's help, as board an power brokers have lost the plot, if we don't make the move ask for help we'll be in the wilderness for a least another 3 or 4 years
Sad state of affairs after so many years of disappointment.
I love the Baggers and always will and shall support the best I can, let's just get on with it , no more glossly PR , just facts.
Go Blues
 

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Start by getting rid of at least some of our assistant coaches and fitness staff who have not been able to do their job properly as once a fit list who could at least handball can't do that anymore.

Make a decision on Mick.. You want him then let him know, get him to start from scratch, teach football 101 to the new list. Else if you don't want him, let him go and don't let it fester till round 17...

Trade, trade, trade... Players from our spoon era are still scarred and their foundation AFL years have set them up for failure.. Sometimes it can be beaten out of these players but more often than not it can't. We need to offload a few of Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer, Simpson, Walker., Jamison the trade able currency we have still stuck in our doomsday mindset. Judd, Carazzo thank you and farewell you'll be remembered as warriors of the club. Then we need to get some decent rucks, and some KPP who have strut and are not shy... All kids drafted need to pass an extrovert exam as well.

Then Trigg, our marketing department and the board and the coaches have yo unite and show real strategic leadership and do it right.
 
DaVillaBlues said:
Mark Louguidace has only been prez under 12 months, the club at boardroom level has been piss poor for 20 years .. Far too early to condemn the big fella yet.

Really not much we as supporters can do, the previous coachin/recruiting thought we were much more closer to a flag then what we actually were, and made a series of horrific recruiting errors.

You can mount an argument that Docherty and Cripps will turn out to be more valuable players then kids drafted from the Ratten/Hughes era, so I think we are (slowly) getting the recruiting stuff right.

Stick fat with the club my friends
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The Pres is a well meaning idiot.

Front man for the ********s running the board.

Can barely string a sentence together, incoherent as are his plans for the future.
 
passmark said:
The Pres is a well meaning idiot.

Front man for the ********s running the board.

Can barely string a sentence together, incoherent as are his plans for the future.
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With all due respect, MLG is one of Australia's moat successful and wealthiest businessmen, and yes whilst that doesn't automatically mean he is suitable president/chairman of a footy club material, he is a far cry from the nuffie you make him out to be.

Don't think there was any need to call him a c-head either, i feel your anger and frustration but i think you probably should rein in your venting a bit mate ..
 
DaVillaBlues said:
With all due respect, MLG is one of Australia's moat successful and wealthiest businessmen, and yes whilst that doesn't automatically mean he is suitable president/chairman of a footy club material, he is a far cry from the nuffie you make him out to be.

Don't think there was any need to call him a c-head either, i feel your anger and frustration but i think you probably should rein in your venting a bit mate ..
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Nope.
He's a buffoon.

Watching him blunder through the AFL industry is almost as embarrassing as when Sticks was Pres.

They don't get it. They lack insight.

He's part of the problem. He doesn't deserve anymore time, he's been there for years as part of the board.
 
bmaurizio said:
Spot on we need a Melborne style overhaul. They have an amazing coach with strong assistants supporting him, professional and experienced.
They can spot talent and develop it too.
The team culture has been reset and there're finally going forward.
We defenitly need AFL's help, as board an power brokers have lost the plot, if we don't make the move ask for help we'll be in the wilderness for a least another 3 or 4 years
Sad state of affairs after so many years of disappointment.
I love the Baggers and always will and shall support the best I can, let's just get on with it , no more glossly PR , just facts.
Go Blues
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Don't mean this as a troll...but you won't get one.

The reason Melbourne got an overhaul was the club was completely listless by late 2012. Jim was dead, and with him was the passion and power of the board. The FD was powerless as Neeld had delivered a terrible season. The joint was being run in all facets by Schwab and we bloody well know how that goes. The club put up a massive loss and was completely uncompetitive on-field. It took McLardy, despite his weakness, standing up and sacking Schwab to realise the problem.

But the problem wasn't over. Now you had a listless board, a FD dead in the water and no CEO.

You blokes don't have that. You just appointed an AFL-approved CEO in Trigg (god knows why), and have a board that despite its failings would seem to AFL House to have a semblance of control rather than the demoralised disaster that was the old Melbourne board.

I can't see the AFL stepping in. And that's really concerning in and of itself.
 
Striker475 said:
Don't mean this as a troll...but you won't get one.

The reason Melbourne got an overhaul was the club was completely listless by late 2012. Jim was dead, and with him was the passion and power of the board. The FD was powerless as Neeld had delivered a terrible season. The joint was being run in all facets by Schwab and we bloody well know how that goes. The club put up a massive loss and was completely uncompetitive on-field. It took McLardy, despite his weakness, standing up and sacking Schwab to realise the problem.

But the problem wasn't over. Now you had a listless board, a FD dead in the water and no CEO.

You blokes don't have that. You just appointed an AFL-approved CEO in Trigg (god knows why), and have a board that despite its failings would seem to AFL House to have a semblance of control rather than the demoralised disaster that was the old Melbourne board.

I can't see the AFL stepping in. And that's really concerning in and of itself.
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I don't want or expect AFL assistance, the last time they tried to 'meddle' in Carlton affairs, it was an unmitigated disaster (stepping in ti prevent Smorgon's board from sacking Denis Pagan in 2006 ??? IIRC)

Quite frankly the Gold Coast Suns and Brisbane Lions are in much more need of City Hall assistance than us.
 
I'll barrack for and love the Blues until my daying day. That is as non-negotiable as the love I have for my son.

But I no longer "support" the Club, because I do not agree with and cannot respect the decisions the Club (as an organisation) makes nor how they go about things.

Until this changes I'm a fan, not a member. We need a knock down re-build - not just the list, but the Board and basically everyone associated with the club. All jobs spilled, find the best people for each, unite behind a vision and a plan to head towards it.
 
I don't understand how not buying a mbership is going to help the club.

I was sickened by that performance and am embarrassed at the Millionaire criminal/Fwits that have too much say in the club.

But I have faith in trigg, he is listening to us.

I have faith in sos and McKay, they will get us on the right track.

Plus I love carlton and will till I die.

I can't understand ppl jumping off the club/not buying mberships/not showing up to the game/ leaving early.

That's just gutless.

Yes let's bitch and moan on bigfooty, we all need to vent, but to anyone who doesn't buy a mbership or stay home because they think we'll get thrashed, go and look yourself in the mirror, what you will see is a gutless front runner.


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I feel sorry for the supporters. That is probably the largest insult any supporter of another club can give albeit, i come in peace.

The sooner your richy-rich dudes piss off from the spotlight the better as from the outside in, Carlton has failed to progress re. the running of a football club or the way rich-folk should be dealt with. Pratt, MLG, Mathesion et al are all really successful individuals but being a bona-fide kent in business does not equate to being successful in a highly regulated, insular market to itself being the AFL. There are massive levellers in this competition i.e. the draft, free agency and the like. These sorts of levellers are not prevalent in the 'real world' outside of the bubble that is the AFL.

That weird, old man last night in the background to Malthouse was really...embarrassing. Carlton folk do not deserve that.
 

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Kruzering said:
Yes let's bitch and moan on bigfooty, we all need to vent, but to anyone who doesn't buy a mbership or stay home because they think we'll get thrashed, go and look yourself in the mirror, what you will see is a gutless front runner.
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So true fans turn up and cheer something they don't respect, don't believe in and don't enjoy? I'm angry with the club. They're ruining something that's special to me. I can't keep fronting up like it's OK, because then they can get away with spinning that it's OK. It's not #&^()@(*&(* OK.
 
Right. I've had a realisation today and it's that I'm not angry, I'm not disappointed, I'm not disgusted, I'm just....eh.

Half the team doesn't care. You can't tell me that Gibbs is proud to be a Carlton player. Proud players don't stand with their hands on their hips in the defensive 50 and watch as the ball sails by. Proud players don't give a half-assed jog after their opposition and then give up after a minute or two. Proud players don't dish up the rubbish that I sat through last night, sat through until the bitter end.

What can we do? Very little. The CEO sends out emails full of platitudes and promises-- "We need you members! We won't let you down again! We're not run by power brokers, pinkie swear!"--and at the same time Geoffrey Edelstein sits in our coaches' box. They could not have spat in the members' faces any harder if they tried.

We can send letters, but they'll send pre-written templates in reply. We can refuse to go to the games, and they'll accuse us of jumping off because we're losing. We can stop buying memberships, and they'll blame us for the growing debt and the lack of success on field.

So I'll keep going. I'll continue to buy a membership, and I'll continue to clap and cheer. I'll go to the VFL games to watch the up and comers. I'll make all the right groans in all the right places when an umpiring decision doesn't go our way, and I'll stand and cheer when someone finally kicks a goal or takes an overhead or contested mark. But my heart won't be in it. I just don't love them any more, I barely even like them.
 
Chookaradley said:
The players aren't playing for the coach. If ever a team was going to demonstrate love and respect for ones coach it was last night. The exact opposite was the result. It's hard to come to any other conclusion.
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They never do. They didn't play for Ratts either. There's a handful that didn't play for Pagan as well. What makes us think they will play for the next coach?

The players are mentally fragile and it has been easier to get rid of the coach. Well now we have a coach that has developed lists for 30 years and got players playing for him.

These players are damaged goods. I am starting to think that picking out the few players that will give their all every week and getting rid of the rest, no matter how talented, is the only thing we haven't tried.
 
Shpeshal Ed said:
Need to start from ground zero. There's a new president now, a new list manager. Replace the footy department from the coach down and turnover most of the list with a new fresh young coach who has CARLTON'S best interests at heart. Not his own.
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The new president is tied to old money. The board is out of touch.
 
MEB_ said:
I just don't love them any more, I barely even like them.
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I love the club, love the Guernsey, love the history, love the champions of yesteryear, love the guys that commit themselves 100% ... the rest are but a blip in time and don't represent us.
 
I don't post much on forums but feel that I will put my 2 cents in
I agree that enough is enough and this year cannot continue down its current path

I believe that last nights game is a defining point and a fork in the road for the Blues to redefine a path to follow

I have a lot of respect for MM and believe that the Blues need to engineer a plan to part company in a mutual way in that between now and the bye
he needs to be thanked for his services and ideally I still believe he is a good coach as he wouldn't have achieved what he has over 715 games but is he good for Carlton in its current situation no
to me too much damage has been done from the start of this year with mixed messages from coach and board ie rebuild / no players coming to the club / trade off key players etc regardless of if these are right or wrong the messages to players / staff and supporters is poor
I agree also that there seems to be a lack of cohesion / unity and passion from the players and god knows what the game plan is but last night showed me a team playing individuals

With MM gone we need to look at current possible options balanced with experience but still relatively new to the AFL coaching ranks
from immediate thought there are Worsfold / Sanderson / McKenna
Not sure if woosha still keen to go back into coaching but believe both Sanderson and McKenna would jump at the chance to get back into senior coaching and could leave there current posts ideally without knowing other candidates would be good to look at a Sanderson / McKenna team to come in as a possible option

They could use the rest of the year to sort out staff / implement a proper development program / have a open view of current list as to moving forward based on a competitive rebuild as this message is a positive one for the players and Supporters regardless of how far a rebuild they decide to take
yes we need to get a core of players to move forward to add and build around them

I want to know if the players are that poor or that the message from coach to players just failing horribly and a new team of coaching staff can use the majority of the year to determine the fate of the players. If the players still perform poorly without improvement then a decision can be made at end of year but the message will be that all players will be given proper chance regardless of being in seniors of the reserve team.
Yes the plan if we have or if the players cant work to it wont affect the new coaching staff as they can use the remainder of the season to implement a new one that will be properly in place by 2016

The change of coach / coaches may also keep players who may want to jump ship in the current status by seeing a positive path defined by the club for remainder of season and beyond the new coaches need to be given all the support in a unified message to players and supporters

Anyway I just want to see a proper planned change that gives players and supporters renewed hope and passion moving forward as the current situation is just not acceptable and will be more damaging if it keeps going forward as it is

anyway my 2 cents worth

cheers guys and go Blues
 
Twenty years of failure, blunders, financial buffoonery and broken promises.

We cheat to mask our own inadequacies: the salary cap scandal, tanking for Kreuzer.

We can't adjust to the modern game, how modern clubs are run and how modern players think. We try to copy and steal from the successful clubs without really understanding what it is they're doing to be so good in the first place.

We hold up the CFC logo and demand that players sacrifice for it without realising it's a broken symbol.

When it all comes crashing down like clockwork every four or five years, we knife scapegoats: Ratten, Rogers.

Ask yourself which kid in their right mind would choose to follow Carlton, unless their parents were dyed-in-the-wool Blues tragics who forced the team onto them?

It's become so bad that most neutral supporters have burnt through their innate hatred of Carlton and are feeling sorry for us instead.

Three of the Big Four clubs are now: Hawthorn, Essendon and Collingwood. We're fighting Richmond for the last spot, and right now, we're losing.
 
Broadside said:
a fish rots from the head

what does having Doc Edelston in the box last night say about our culture?

and yet we expect the players to show integrity on the field? the whole organisation needs a cleanout
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What gets me is that he doesn't even have any money to do anything for us. He's there because he has a profile and wins favour from the board. We aren't the Dallas Cowboys with Jerry Jones having Chris Christie in the box.

What makes Edelsten more worthy than us?
 
All the senior players are mentally cooked and their lack of effort, lack of application is a cancer which, if not cut out, will spread and infect the young players. Gibbs is the prime culprit. Should have cut the campaigner loose last year. Jamo and Walker seem to be in the same boat. Goodbye boys.

I'd rather play shit players with hearts than (supposedly) good players who are peaheart princesses.

The leadership problem has been addressed ad nausem, but merits a mention. We have a complete and utter lack of leadership and it was a major mistake appointing Murphy. This needs to be corrected.

A decision must be made on Malthouse sooner rather than later. Either he coaches out the season and retires on his own terms, or we offer him 5 years for a complete rebuild and overhaul. None of this in between shit.

Get campaigners like Edelstein out of the club.

Youth policy. Yes, there will be a couple of years of pain, but this topping up, and giving away our first round picks every year has failed miserably. One just has to look at Melbourne, Bulldogs and - to a lesser extent - St. Kilda to see that a patient youth-oriented rebuild will reap rewards. Hell, the Dogs and the Dees did it during the worst time possible with GC and GWS taking the majority of the draft picks yet they are still looking very good.

Trade players for draft picks. Try to get 2 or 3 first round picks for the next three years.

A new forward line coach. Our forward line, and our entries inside 50 are as dysfunctional as I've ever seen. Not just at Carlton, at any club. It's a disgrace and whoever is responsible for it needs to be cut.

Bring back the passion. Senior players seem to be content to run about a field for a couple of hours a week and then cash a very fat cheque. Stuff this. Passion and burning desire to win at all costs MUST be instilled into the next generation of Carlton players.

Spend massive amounts of time and if need be, money on recruiting and development. We can't afford 10 more years of failed recruiting. No club can.

Poach coaching and admin talent from teams with a track record of success. Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney and Collingwood are the obvious ones.

Stop living in the past. Yes, we WERE a successful team. Yes, we WERE a powerhouse. NOW though, we are a shit team and we are hemorrhaging members, viewers, game attendess and revenue. A flaccid Facebook post about how good we were in 1982 doesn't cut it.

SO MUCH TO DO.
 
Faz 2000 said:
So true fans turn up and cheer something they don't respect, don't believe in and don't enjoy? I'm angry with the club. They're ruining something that's special to me. I can't keep fronting up like it's OK, because then they can get away with spinning that it's OK. It's not #&^()@(*&(* OK.
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Trust me, no supporter is more upset than me. Many may be equally hurt by whats happened this year, but I highly doubt anyone is more upset.

But there are things to cheer. Cripps and Doc if nothing else are 20 and 21 and the future leaders of the club at very least we can get down and he happy with their efforts.

Just like playing, it's easy when you're winning not so much when you're losing.
 

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