Everton fans thread Part 2

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Sheeds said:
It is easy to be critical but I am still in shock at the selection and tactics Moyes implements. He is such a negative and cautious manager and it will stop us ever amounting to anything. Villa has been rubbish the last 2 games and they were there for the absolute taking today.

Point # 1- Hibbert. This does not need to be explained in too much detail. Tony ****ing Hibbert has no place what so ever in our starting team. How is Coleman supposed to get any experience if we do not start giving him an opportunity! And to top it all off Moyes decides to blast the performance of Coleman for his performance against Huddersfield during the week despite winning a penalty and having a hand in another 2 goals. When is the last time Hibbert won anything? Heitinga is a versatile player and a Dutch international that played in the World Cup Final……….But not quite good enough to squeeze Hibbert out of the starting lineup.:rolleyes:

Point #2- Jack Rodwell. I love Rodwell and he is a superstar plain and simple but if he is going to be played he needs to be played in position. WTF was he doing out on the right!!! Absolute madness.:mad:

Point #3- I have nothing against Jermaine Beckford and I hope he can be a valuable member of the squad BUT how can you possibly leave a proven Premiership scorer in Saha on the bench and start with 1 striker up front and a striker who has scored at only Div 3 level previously. Absolute joke. Saha did more in his first 5 minutes than Beckford contributed at all.

Things do not get any easier either with our next fixture Man United. We can look forward to 1 striker up front as we enjoy plenty of possession without creating a thing. We had the perfect opportunity with our fixture to setup our season but we do what we always do and we have dropped the ball with 1 point in 3 games. Another season of promise with nothing to show for it will be the end result.
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Nail on the head. When Coleman came he looked sensational. We actually had some natural width out there on the park. I love Rodwell but he is certainly not a winger, Coleman at RM looked fantastic. Reminded me a bit of Gareth Bale, started out as an attacking full back but is now looking a class left winger. I can see the same applying to Coleman. And Beckford did nothing once more, Saha should have started certainly.

Having said that we really should have won in spite of all this. We had 68% of possession and won 18 corners, yet couldn't bloody make 1 of them count. A completely frustrating afternoon.
 
You are right we still deserved to win despite all that.
Baines and Piennar need to be taking more corners and set pieces because Arteta is off the boil at the moment.
 
I have more of an issue with Yakubu not playing rather than anybody else.

Apparently he hasn't played this season due to a knock on the shin (which is code for we're trying to sell him and don't want injury to ruin a deal).

As a lone target man there aren't too many better than him and Beckford isn't up to that role IMO.
 

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Sheeds said:
It is easy to be critical but I am still in shock at the selection and tactics Moyes implements. He is such a negative and cautious manager and it will stop us ever amounting to anything. Villa has been rubbish the last 2 games and they were there for the absolute taking today.

Point # 1- Hibbert. This does not need to be explained in too much detail. Tony ****ing Hibbert has no place what so ever in our starting team. How is Coleman supposed to get any experience if we do not start giving him an opportunity! And to top it all off Moyes decides to blast the performance of Coleman for his performance against Huddersfield during the week despite winning a penalty and having a hand in another 2 goals. When is the last time Hibbert won anything? Heitinga is a versatile player and a Dutch international that played in the World Cup Final……….But not quite good enough to squeeze Hibbert out of the starting lineup.:rolleyes:

Point #2- Jack Rodwell. I love Rodwell and he is a superstar plain and simple but if he is going to be played he needs to be played in position. WTF was he doing out on the right!!! Absolute madness.:mad:

Point #3- I have nothing against Jermaine Beckford and I hope he can be a valuable member of the squad BUT how can you possibly leave a proven Premiership scorer in Saha on the bench and start with 1 striker up front and a striker who has scored at only Div 3 level previously. Absolute joke. Saha did more in his first 5 minutes than Beckford contributed at all.

Things do not get any easier either with our next fixture Man United. We can look forward to 1 striker up front as we enjoy plenty of possession without creating a thing. We had the perfect opportunity with our fixture to setup our season but we do what we always do and we have dropped the ball with 1 point in 3 games. Another season of promise with nothing to show for it will be the end result.
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Gun post... Agree completely.
 
Duncan Disorderly said:
I have more of an issue with Yakubu not playing rather than anybody else.

Apparently he hasn't played this season due to a knock on the shin (which is code for we're trying to sell him and don't want injury to ruin a deal).

As a lone target man there aren't too many better than him and Beckford isn't up to that role IMO.
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The whole Yakubu situation is fishy. He was not involved in any pre-season games when he came back from the World Cup. They used injury as the reason he missed against Huddersfield then conveniently used sickness as the reason he did not make the trip against Villa.:confused:

I do not care he is lazy........ He is a proven goalscorer who will put chances away.
 
well isn't this situation is so familiar...

I'm sick of saying it and reading it elsewhere but Hibbert is not up to it as starting RB in a team that has ambition to finish top 4.

Distin. Well I don't dislike him to the extent of posters on other forums but I agree he, like Hibbert should not be starting in a team that wants a top 4 finish. Should be used as sub/squad player.

The quicker that Johnny Heitinga and Phil Neville are slotted back into our back 4 the better. The sooner our XI looks like this the better.

Howard
Neville - Heitinga - Jagielka - Baines
Rodwell/Arteta - Fellaini
Arteta/Pienaar - Cahill - Bilyaletdinov/Pienaar
Saha
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Yobo and Yakubu can go. Doesn't worry me, but if we sell them now, a day before the window closes, we won't be able to sign anyone so we will be losing two handy squad players. I highly doubt that Moyes will be given all the funds but hopefully with he he can attract a handy midfielder.
 
Tristagi said:
IMHO if I was in Moyes shoes I would be tempted to join Villa.. they spend and clearly have a chairman with some ambition..
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Didn't O'Neill walk out on them for pretty much the same reasons Moyes is supposed to be fed up with Everton?

Sounds like a sideways move to me, which is why I don't believe it.
 
belfast_bomber said:
Didn't O'Neill walk out on them for pretty much the same reasons Moyes is supposed to be fed up with Everton?

Sounds like a sideways move to me, which is why I don't believe it.
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Everton have generally finished above Villa the last few years however it is a bit of a myth that Villa have had no money to spend especially under O'Neill and especially in comparison to Moyes.

In fact O'Neill has basically spent more in each of his single years than Moyes has in his total time at Everton.

But Moyes is not capable of taking a team to the top so Villa would be advised to look elsewhere.
 

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I don't mind Moyes actually. I'd rather him than one or two others that have been touted as potential successors to ol' whiskey nose (including O'Neill), though he wouldn't be my first choice.

The point is, why would he go right now just when Villa seem to be reining in their spending?
 
Tristagi said:
well isn't this situation is so familiar...

I'm sick of saying it and reading it elsewhere but Hibbert is not up to it as starting RB in a team that has ambition to finish top 4.

Distin. Well I don't dislike him to the extent of posters on other forums but I agree he, like Hibbert should not be starting in a team that wants a top 4 finish. Should be used as sub/squad player.

The quicker that Johnny Heitinga and Phil Neville are slotted back into our back 4 the better. The sooner our XI looks like this the better.

Howard
Neville - Heitinga - Jagielka - Baines
Rodwell/Arteta - Fellaini
Arteta/Pienaar - Cahill - Bilyaletdinov/Pienaar
Saha​


Yobo and Yakubu can go. Doesn't worry me, but if we sell them now, a day before the window closes, we won't be able to sign anyone so we will be losing two handy squad players. I highly doubt that Moyes will be given all the funds but hopefully with he he can attract a handy midfielder.
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My personal opinion is that Hibbert does have a role to play in our squad, but only against the better teams. I believe that because I don't think there's a better right sided full-back in the league at defending than him, but he isn't good enough in an attacking sense to play against sides where we are going to have most of the possession.

Last season I thought Distin was okay at best, however this season he has been our best player IMO and despite Heitinga being a better player, I think Distin deserves to start ahead of Heitinga for the time being due to form.

I like that team you posted and the only change I would make is to put Yakubu as the lone striker. He's excellent at that role and he guarantees goals.
 
Well the transfer window is over and Moyes could not get the deal he wanted for Yakubu so he will have to swallow his pride and start playing him. It is absolute madness playing Beckford on his own.

Another thing that will force his hand is Saha was injured for France.:(
 
We haven't gotten off to the best of starts this season, as with last season, but I hope we can recover soon- because not doing so quickly enough cost us a European spot last season, despite our excellent second half form.

There's no doubt a great deal of progress has been made under Moyes and we have our best squad in a generation. But the issue at Everton FC, as has been for years, is clearly at boardroom level.
 
David Votoupal said:
We haven't gotten off to the best of starts this season, as with last season, but I hope we can recover soon- because not doing so quickly enough cost us a European spot last season, despite our excellent second half form.

There's no doubt a great deal of progress has been made under Moyes and we have our best squad in a generation. But the issue at Everton FC, as has been for years, is clearly at boardroom level.
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I agree the boardroom issues have been taking their toll.

I can forgive them for not having the capital themselves to sign players, but it doesn't appear as though they have any plan to raise money for Moyes.

The accounts in recent years appear to show that the boards strategy in raising funds was to asset strip. Even the car park at Goodison has been sold and eventually we get to the stage where we are now, where there isn't any more assets that can be sold.

The net transfer spend today is very similar to what it was 20 years ago and even something as simple as a share issue could raise at least something for Moyes.
 
Duncan Disorderly said:
The net transfer spend today is very similar to what it was 20 years ago and even something as simple as a share issue could raise at least something for Moyes.
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Yes it was the gross incompetence of the board back then and our failure to replace a winning team that led to our downfall. Signing players like Mike Milligan led to Colin Harvey's downfall. Yet you look at Harvey's record over the three years he was in charge (1987-90), and it doesn't look too bad compared to what would come next.
 
David Votoupal said:
Yes it was the gross incompetence of the board back then and our failure to replace a winning team that led to our downfall. Signing players like Mike Milligan led to Colin Harvey's downfall. Yet you look at Harvey's record over the three years he was in charge (1987-90), and it doesn't look too bad compared to what would come next.
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Harvey did have a good record compared to Kendell MK II and III, Walker and Smith, but expectations from 1987-90 were far greater than they were in the 90's and there wre no complaints when he was sacked.He was probably better suited to coaching than he was to management.

Mike Milligan was a waste of money, but he never really go a chance to settle IMO. When you add up the money that Harvey spent of the likes of Milligan, Whiteside, Rehn and Newell, it comes to around £3 million. With that sort of money being wasted it wasn't a surprise that we slid down the table once most of the mid eighties squad left.
 
Duncan Disorderly said:
Harvey did have a good record compared to Kendell MK II and III, Walker and Smith, but expectations from 1987-90 were far greater than they were in the 90's and there wre no complaints when he was sacked.He was probably better suited to coaching than he was to management.
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Between 1960 and 1991, we finished in the top half for all but 5 of 31 seasons. It has only been the last 4 years that we've come anywhere near what we had once been.

Mike Milligan was a waste of money, but he never really go a chance to settle IMO. When you add up the money that Harvey spent of the likes of Milligan, Whiteside, Rehn and Newell, it comes to around £3 million. With that sort of money being wasted it wasn't a surprise that we slid down the table once most of the mid eighties squad left.
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Funny thing is in his only season with us, Whiteside got a decent return of a goal every three games. Newell faded after a bright start. But just the way we slid down post 1990 was painful, it was hard to take.
 
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