F1 F1 2024 thread

[gaskin]

What is with the section of fans whining about how ‘unfair’ it was to boot Sargeant?

The guy wasn’t just slow but also couldn’t be trusted not to keep damaging the car.

This is the crucial bit. Zhou is slow as **** even in the Sauber that is barely an F2 car at the moment but unlike Logan he isn't crashing it. All Sargent had to do was keep it out of the walls.

 

[Barrybran]

F1 twitter fans are pretty weird in general

Twitter in general is weird. It's a great place for news but when nothing is happening it's just an ocean of nuffies.

 

[Not Important]

Kind of - watching how much Max is having to wrestle the car kind of indicates it's not easy to drive. No one is stepping into it and going instantly better. That Red Bull in the hands of anyone other than Max is going to struggle.

that's true but max is still competitive. checo isn't.

 

[Vader]

that's true but max is still competitive. checo isn't.

That's the whole point though. Max could probably drive the 2024 Sauber to a semi-regular points finish. He's able to get more out of a car than pretty much any other driver in the current field.

By rights, the Red Bull cars shouldn't be finishing most races in the top-4 at present - and there are some circuits where a top-6 finish wouldn't be guaranteed. The fact that Max is wringing podium finishes out of it is testament to his elite skills as a driver, not the car, and not a lack of skills by Checo.

 

[happy_eagle]

If Mercedes don't announce Antonelli this week, I'd put my money on him not having the seat for next year.

 

[Jatz]

If Mercedes don't announce Antonelli this week, I'd put my money on him not having the seat for next year.

Who else would they give it to?

 

[skam85]

Who else would they give it to?

Bottas as a known pair of hands for a year while Kimi cooks in F2 a bit more

 

[happy_eagle]

Who else would they give it to?

No clue, but it makes no sense if they don't announce at at the guys home race, when he's driving in FP1. Aren't going to get a better opportunity than that. So basically if they don't announce him at Monza, either

1. They haven't fully made their mind up yet
2. Someone else is getting the seat

 

[Barrybran]

Bottas as a known pair of hands for a year while Kimi cooks in F2 a bit more

I wouldn't mind seeing Bottas with Russell. That would be a solid pairing.

 

[Vader]

No clue, but it makes no sense if they don't announce at at the guys home race, when he's driving in FP1. Aren't going to get a better opportunity than that. So basically if they don't announce him at Monza, either

1. They haven't fully made their mind up yet
2. Someone else is getting the seat

I doubt having the next race in Italy makes any difference whatsoever to their contract discussions.

 

[happy_eagle]

I doubt having the next race in Italy makes any difference whatsoever to their contract discussions.

If the decision has already been made, then its all about PR as to when they announce. And it makes no sense to not announce this week if they have already decided.

 

[gaskin]

You would have to assume they are waiting for a definite no from Max.

 

[99 Problems]

I’d like to see a bit more from McLaren before saying it’s definitely the best car on the grid. For sure it’s fast and on the right tracks by a big margin, but with two very good drivers behind the wheel they’ve managed 3 race wins. It’s the same as Mercedes and one more than Ferrari. Even if you don’t include the start of the season and go from their first win when the car has been at its best they’ve won the same amount as the Red Bull.

 

[Bradesmaen]

This is the crucial bit. Zhou is slow as **** even in the Sauber that is barely an F2 car at the moment but unlike Logan he isn't crashing it. All Sargent had to do was keep it out of the walls.

TBH Logan wasn't even that slow. He's up against someone who people consider an excellent driver who just had a rough time at RBR behind Verstappen. Last 6 races he's been there or there abouts but he's binned it too much.

 

[happy_eagle]

I’d like to see a bit more from McLaren before saying it’s definitely the best car on the grid. For sure it’s fast and on the right tracks by a big margin, but with two very good drivers behind the wheel they’ve managed 3 race wins. It’s the same as Mercedes and one more than Ferrari. Even if you don’t include the start of the season and go from their first win when the car has been at its best they’ve won the same amount as the Red Bull.

They (Norris specifically) have bungled quite a few races where they should have won.

Since Monaco
Canadian GP - Lando misjudging the weather switch, losing a position to Russell.
Spanish GP - Lando failing at the start
Austrian GP - Lando coming together with Max
Brittish GP - Pit stop errors on the weather switch for both drivers.
Hungarian GP - 1-2 Finish.
Belgian GP - Off the pace in qualifying
Dutch GP - Lando win


With the exception of Spa, McLaren were the fastest car at pretty much every race since Canada. They have underperformed to only have the 2 wins since this time.

 

[gaskin]

TBH Logan wasn't even that slow. He's up against someone who people consider an excellent driver who just had a rough time at RBR behind Verstappen. Last 6 races he's been there or there abouts but he's binned it too much.

I know he isn't that slow. My point is that Williams could have tolerated him being slow as long as he wasn't crashing every other race.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

They (Norris specifically) have bungled quite a few races where they should have won.

Since Monaco
Canadian GP - Lando misjudging the weather switch, losing a position to Russell.
Spanish GP - Lando failing at the start
Austrian GP - Lando coming together with Max
Brittish GP - Pit stop errors on the weather switch for both drivers.
Hungarian GP - 1-2 Finish.
Belgian GP - Off the pace in qualifying
Dutch GP - Lando win


With the exception of Spa, McLaren were the fastest car at pretty much every race since Canada. They have underperformed to only have the 2 wins since this time.

Agree. McLaren (the car) is #1 now, with a decent gap to RB/Merc on most/all tracks. McLaren (the people) are still a ways behind. They are rising fast, but are losing points from the people, rather than the car.

First - McLaren learned to "stop creating", instead of weird and wonderful strategies, to exploit unforseen or unusual circumstances - to simply looking how to maximise their time in clean air.

Now - they are learning to stop being so reactive - to trust their initial 'lowest race time' scenarios will hold true. A simple, but effective strategy with little variation or decision making required.

The next step, will be to realise they can proactively use their advantages (clean air pace, long run tyre wear) to manipulate other teams into sub-optimal strategies.

 

[Iceman!]

TBH Logan wasn't even that slow. He's up against someone who people consider an excellent driver who just had a rough time at RBR behind Verstappen. Last 6 races he's been there or there abouts but he's binned it too much.

Albon is a good driver but the head to head in qualifying between the two was 35-0, that is pretty disastrous.

 

[skam85]

You would have to assume they are waiting for a definite no from Max.

Last weekend Toto came out and said that they got the actual no (for now) over the summer break.

So yeah you'd think definitely this weekend the Kimi announcement.

 

[Not Important]

now that’s what i call optimism.

It was comfortably Daniel Ricciardo’s best grand prix qualifying result of the year and the first weekend of the turnaround that’s put him in the frame to replace Sergio Pérez if the Mexican continues underperforming.

Ricciardo boost set to turn up heat on Perez; debut that could seal Mercedes call: Burning Qs

Ricciardo boost set to turn up heat on Perez; debut that could seal Mercedes call: Burning Qs

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[jabba5114]

World's worst secret. Antonelli named as mercedes driver replacing lewis

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[Barrybran]

So that's three new drivers next year. Not bad given the relative stability of the last couple of years.

 

[gaskin]

I wonder how many others have received the same email.

 

[Gasometer]

Re attending Melbourne 2025

Been a few times over the journey

1. Is a Grand Stand ticket worthwhile?

2. If so which one?

When I have been I come away as thinking it was great but I would have got greater perspective sitting on the couch listening to Croft and Brundle

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Re attending Melbourne 2025

Been a few times over the journey

1. Is a Grand Stand ticket worthwhile?

2. If so which one?

When I have been I come away as thinking it was great but I would have got greater perspective sitting on the couch listening to Croft and Brundle

You'll get a much better perspective of the race from a grandstand than any GA spot for sure, plus the extra bonus of not stressing about your spot on the grass every time you want to go for a walk.