Coach Fages and the coaching group

[briztoon]

At present i am having trouble finding the penalties under the soft cap via AFL "Rules" and the AFL "Regulations".
Lots of referring to things like "sanction 40 units" and referring to a "FDE Manual" which i can't find.

Recently Tom Browne (X) refers to a 200% luxury tax in relation to sacking Simpson and the penalty would be $7 million.
I found this video that was released in 2021 that explains the "soft cap" quite well.
The image below taken from the video is what they say will be the new AFL penalties in the future. So, after 2021.

This falls into line with the Tom Browne mention of a 200% tax at the higher end.



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I’ll check on the West Coast board at some time, they had the full spreadsheet of penalties.

They are harsh, and graduate the longer you run in excess of the soft cap.

A one year hit is ok, three years in a row and you’ve basically exceeded the law of diminishing returns.

 

[briztoon]

My interpretation is only the amounts outside the base payments go to football department soft cap.
So, players like Brain & Michael won't have anything going to the soft cap.
However, McKenna would have been a different story in 2023.
I assume he might stay again as a rookie in 2024. Rookie list closes today so will know that by tomorrow.
So, each year it is a balancing act for the club to retain players and coaches/other staff under both caps.

Below from the AFL rules (Feb 2023) and then the base salary scale for rookies under the new CBA.
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10.12 Payments to Rookie Players Outside Total Player Payments
(a)
Category A Rookies Any amount paid by a Club to a Player listed on its Category A Rookie List in excess of the base payment payable to a first year 41+ choice selection shall be included as Football Payments for the purposes of calculating the Club’s Total Player Payments.
(b)
Category B Rookies Subject to Rule 11, all payments made by a Club to a Player listed on its Rookie List are excluded as Football Payments for the purposes of calculating a Club’s Total Player Payments.

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I believe you may have misinterpreted that.

The rookie base salary is NOT included in the salary cap, i.e TPP (Total Player Payments). It IS included under the soft cap (non player payments).

However, if you have a player such as McKenna on the rookie list, he may be on $300k for the past season. $85k goes under the soft cap, the remaining $215k is included in the TPP.

Pretty sure it was Noble who explained this on one of the clubs podcast episodes, when he was talking about why we delisted a contracted player, and redrafted them in the rookie draft.

Basically explained it was one way of manipulating the salary cap, within the rules.

Cat B rookies are different though, as they are allowed to be paid extra, to entice them over from another sport.

However, I’m unaware if their salary falls under the soft cap, or is outside both the TPP and soft cap.

 

[briztoon]

At present i am having trouble finding the penalties under the soft cap via AFL "Rules" and the AFL "Regulations".
Lots of referring to things like "sanction 40 units" and referring to a "FDE Manual" which i can't find.

Recently Tom Browne (X) refers to a 200% luxury tax in relation to sacking Simpson and the penalty would be $7 million.
I found this video that was released in 2021 that explains the "soft cap" quite well.
The image below taken from the video is what they say will be the new AFL penalties in the future. So, after 2021.

This falls into line with the Tom Browne mention of a 200% tax at the higher end.



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[Section 5]

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That is the same as the screenshot i took from the video

 

[Section 5]

I believe you may have misinterpreted that.

The rookie base salary is NOT included in the salary cap, i.e TPP (Total Player Payments). It IS included under the soft cap (non player payments).

However, if you have a player such as McKenna on the rookie list, he may be on $300k for the past season. $85k goes under the soft cap, the remaining $215k is included in the TPP.

Pretty sure it was Noble who explained this on one of the clubs podcast episodes, when he was talking about why we delisted a contracted player, and redrafted them in the rookie draft.

Basically explained it was one way of manipulating the salary cap, within the rules.

Cat B rookies are different though, as they are allowed to be paid extra, to entice them over from another sport.

However, I’m unaware if their salary falls under the soft cap, or is outside both the TPP and soft cap.

Yes, you are correct.

I checked the "Definitions" section.
I assumed wrongly that "football payments" were football department payments as they then go on to mention "Club’s Total Player Payments." in the same sentence. So, i assumed they were different.

Under definitions of "Club’s Total Player Payments". This is referred to fairly simply as Football Payments.

However, under definitions "Football Payments". This has quite a few paragraphs to its meaning and does not include the words "Club’s Total Player Payments" anywhere in the definition.

 

[Jivlain]

Rookie salaries are counted under the soft cap, not under the TPP.

If you run with a full rookie list, you are pushing two players payments from the senior list (TPP) to under the soft cap.

That’s $85k per player, so $170k. That’s an assistant coach, or a couple membership employees, etc.

I don't think membership employees come under the soft cap.

Coaches, analysts, player welfare, medical, and recruitment.

 

[JasRulz63]

Rich pickings: Retired Lion takes on new role

Daniel Rich will remain at Brisbane after retiring at the end of the season

www.afl.com.au

Looks like Rich will split his role between wellbeing and development.

 

[Ceebee]

Rich pickings: Retired Lion takes on new role

Daniel Rich will remain at Brisbane after retiring at the end of the season

www.afl.com.au

Looks like Rich will split his role between wellbeing and development.

Good news .

 

[Squizz89]

Hmm…

 

[Dalions]

Hmm…

Maybe we can afford Dew now?

 

[Squizz89]

Maybe we can afford Dew now?

Nah mate, all the incumbent assistants just got a higher raise.

 

[Section 5]

Hmm…

This may just result in the clubs paying the senior coach a fair bit more money.
Pay more to get the right senior coach and deal with the other coaches with what's left over.
Similar to what's already happening now.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Just saw on AFL.com that Daniel Lloyd

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(ex GWS) is filling Dale’s role in development: Former Giants forward joins Lions after post-career move north

 

[lioninthesand]

Good luck to Lloyd, Rich and Morris in their new positions.

 

[lioninthesand]

Hmm…

This will only further penalise us you’d imagine, we don’t have the cash to pay the cap, so will only further expand the gap between us and wealthy clubs.

 

[McIvor]

Just saw on AFL.com that Daniel Lloyd (ex GWS) is filling Dale’s role in development: Former Giants forward joins Lions after post-career move north

I quite liked Lloyd as a player; wish him well in his new role at the Lions.

 

[dlanod]

Just saw on AFL.com that Daniel Lloyd (ex GWS) is filling Dale’s role in development: Former Giants forward joins Lions after post-career move north

I quite liked Lloyd as a player; wish him well in his new role at the Lions.

One thing I can 100% say about Lloyd is that he got every drop of talent he had out of himself and then some. Fantastically hard worker. If he can pass that on, it'll be a great role for him.

 

[irel]

One thing I can 100% say about Lloyd is that he got every drop of talent he had out of himself and then some. Fantastically hard worker. If he can pass that on, it'll be a great role for him.

Definitely fits the mold of a player lacking natural talent, making good through sheer hard work and going on to make excellent coach.

 

[KissKiss]

Also ticks the box of bringing in some outside IP from a club that has been pretty successful, but also works harder at playing away than anyone else

 

[T Rick]

One thing I can 100% say about Lloyd is that he got every drop of talent he had out of himself and then some. Fantastically hard worker. If he can pass that on, it'll be a great role for him.

Is he Matthew Lloyd's younger brother?

 

[Dalions]

Just saw on AFL.com that Daniel Lloyd (ex GWS) is filling Dale’s role in development: Former Giants forward joins Lions after post-career move north

Interesting wording in your linked article about our chase of Scott Selwood.

“Brisbane tried to lure Collingwood assistant coach Scott Selwood north but the Magpies held him to his contract, retaining the panel that helped the club secure a 16th premiership in September.”

 

[SizeMatters]

I quite liked Lloyd as a player; wish him well in his new role at the Lions.

Very pleased with this appointment. From all reports a fantastic person and has been through a lot to get where he is today. An astute move by the club. He should be able to navigate all sorts of player personalities and draw on his vast life and footy experiences to break down any barriers existing and incoming players might have.

The hardest part of being a teacher or coach is getting that connection and trust to instill his thoughts and teachings onto the individual. He shouldn't have any concerns there.

 

[spotthedog1]

No coaching experience. No leadership experience. Has played for a different team, but not exactly experienced at developing other players, coming up with strategies, sharing at a coaching level, etc.

So, we went for Selwood. Missed him, and instead just picked up a recent player. Not exactly overwhelming.

 

[SizeMatters]

No coaching experience. No leadership experience. Has played for a different team, but not exactly experienced at developing other players, coming up with strategies, sharing at a coaching level, etc.

So, we went for Selwood. Missed him, and instead just picked up a recent player. Not exactly overwhelming.

He's a development coach not a strategic coach. He would leave that to others who are employed to do the heavy lifting in that space with appropriate information flowing down when required. He will be doing a lot of upwards management instead.

I don't think you need a lot of experience to do this role. It's usually a first step for most coaches currently in the game now. It's not like he's from the streets and doesn't have any idea on how things work… has been in the system for years and would probably have dealt with welfare and development coaches the majority of his time at the Giants.

 

[Nathan Barley]

No coaching experience. No leadership experience. Has played for a different team, but not exactly experienced at developing other players, coming up with strategies, sharing at a coaching level, etc.

So, we went for Selwood. Missed him, and instead just picked up a recent player. Not exactly overwhelming.

I'd be pretty confident your second paragraph is complete rubbish