Coach Fages and the coaching group

[Tom14]

Press conference responses and not being a hard-arse and dropping players are pretty well bottom of my issue with Fages.

People just want their frustration over poor performances taken out somehow, be it through the coach being like 'yeah we were shit house and I suck' in the presser or dropping a player who annoys them.

Leigh Matthews was doing pre-game on 3AW a few weeks ago and basically said putting the fear of being dropped into players was worse for performance - because players will be tight and nervous, not in a position to perform their best.

 

[martinson]

Press conference responses and not being a hard-arse and dropping players are pretty well bottom of my issue with Fages.

People just want their frustration over poor performances taken out somehow, be it through the coach being like 'yeah we were s**t house and I suck' in the presser or dropping a player who annoys them.

Leigh Matthews was doing pre-game on 3AW a few weeks ago and basically said putting the fear of being dropped into players was worse for performance - because players will be tight and nervous, not in a position to perform their best.

Some coaches have been pilloried after their PC's ever since I've been following footy.

If you're a Melbourne club you're going to cop it especially if things aren't going too well. Look at Voss last year . Seriously I don't know how he got out of bed in the morning because he was done and dusted ,had no clue , and just degraded especially on SM week after week.

Fages doesn't know he's alive and has reacted poorly on occasions to mundane legitimate questions.

As far as what Leigh said he's our Board member isn't he and what he said I didn't see in particular applied to his coaching history.

Obviously you need to get a balance , some players need a wake up call and a kick up the backside ,others get petrified of making a mistake , you need to look at individuals and what is needed for the team. There's nothing in essence wrong with Fagan's philosophy except you do run the risk of breeding complacency and maybe damage the motivation of those not getting a crack.

Anyone who thinks hard and fast rules should apply needs to be in the army.

 

[Doctor B]

Please excuse my intrusion onto the Lions board.

As a Glenelg fan in the SANFL, how did you rate Mark Stone as strategy & stoppage coach while he was there?

Is he missed?

 

[martinson]

To add to this anyone who thinks motivation and effort isn't a significant issue for our team just hasn't been watching.

I don't have any answer as to what the best course of action is ,if anything , but it's something the coaches have to bear the responsibilty for redressing. Presuming they've identified the problem.

 

[martinson]

Please excuse my intrusion onto the Lions board.

As a Glenelg fan in the SANFL, how did you rate Mark Stone as strategy & stoppage coach while he was there?

Is he missed?

Anyone who mentioned him on here used to knock him like they do most coaches but he's looking a whole lot better since he left.

 

[ZoBlitz]

I think I've watched the press conference of a Lions coach maybe five times since 1997 and never felt like I've missed anything. Never really understood why fans of any club think press conference comments have any relevance to coaching ability but whatever.

 

[martinson]

I think I've watched the press conference of a Lions coach maybe five times since 1997 and never felt like I've missed anything. Never really understood why fans of any club think press conference comments have any relevance to coaching ability but whatever.

I don't think anyone half sensible thinks it has any relevance to coaching ability but many take it as a character test to see if the coach is hurting as much as they are and accepting any responsibility for what happened on the field.

All the coaches hate it . David Parkin used to call it the 5th quarter.

I feel sorry for tennis players and golfers who have to front up after blowing an unlosable situation or whatever. You would really have to put your emotions aside.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Anyone who mentioned him on here used to knock him like they do most coaches but he's looking a whole lot better since he left.

Won’t be long until the same people start talking him up as a big loss same as they did with the other assistants who have left

 

[martinson]

Won’t be long until the same people start talking him up as a big loss same as they did with the other assistants who have left

Could be the reason ?

Why did we let him go ?

 

[Nathan Barley]

Could be the reason ?

Why did we let him go ?

They said money but the tone of the announcement made it seem to me like he wasn't going to be missed

 

[martinson]

They said money but the tone of the announcement made it seem to me like he wasn't going to be missed

Absolutely. So close after the GF. With not a word of thanks.

Now he could be up for a Senior role and be some sort of genius if we keep coughing it up.

 

[Elixuh]

You either need to do what fages does during pressers or troll like ross - "yeah i think we did a bit".

 

[Happy_Neale]

I'm happy we kept Dev as depth but he just has limitations that are hard to overcome. I know he hasn't got a shot as an inside mid but I don't see why we would have ever dropped any of our other mids over the last few years.

His disposal and decision making leave a lot to be desired - basically all he can kind of do is a defensive role.

Yeah unfortunately he does scream ‘depth player’ at this point.

 

[martinson]

Whether it's indicative of anything who knows but I've been very impressed with Kingsley's performance in PC's.

He answers questions directly straight up with what seems like honesty. I did see him get a bit niggly over Toby's bump which is the first time I've seen him what you might call overreact.

 

[Doctor B]

Could be the reason ?

Why did we let him go ?

Correct me if any of this is incorrect, from memory.
Was at West Coast when they won a premiership.
Sydney were going up the ladder when he was there, but he left the year before they won their flag.
Was at Freo when they were going well, top four.
Came to Glenelg as coach and won a flag.
Went to Brisbane, made the GF.

 

[martinson]

Correct me if any of this is incorrect, from memory.
Was at West Coast when they won a premiership.
Sydney were going up the ladder when he was there, but he left the year before they won their flag.
Was at Freo when they were going well, top four.
Came to Glenelg as coach and won a flag.
Went to Brisbane, made the GF.

Maybe he wanted to drop players and send a message. Or give them a bake. Or offended some of them.

Very impressive CV it must be said. Which is probably why we employed him.

 

[Kickback Flip]

Maybe he wanted to drop players and send a message. Or give them a bake. Or offended some of them.

Very impressive CV it must be said. Which is probably why we employed him.

He was on SA radio a week after the Grand Final, if I remember correctly, he mentioned a few things we got wrong on the big day and said Collingwood deserved the win, they were the better team on the day. He mentioned he was looking forward to the preseason and a big 2024 tilt at the premiership. A few weeks later, Brisbane said he will be leaving the Lions.

 

[martinson]

He was on SA radio a week after the Grand Final, if I remember correctly, he mentioned a few things we got wrong on the big day and said Collingwood deserved the win, they were the better team on the day. He mentioned he was looking forward to the preseason and a big 2024 tilt at the premiership. A few weeks later, Brisbane said he will be leaving the Lions.

Maybe shouldn't have given that interview.

Any sort of criticism doesn't go down well in the bunker.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Maybe shouldn't have given that interview.

Any sort of criticism doesn't go down well in the bunker.

That would be very disappointing if true.

 

[Nunez]

Maybe shouldn't have given that interview.

Any sort of criticism doesn't go down well in the bunker.

Spoken like someone who has no idea. There is a great feedback culture at the club.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

Spoken like someone who has no idea. There is a great feedback culture at the club.

So why did Stone leave?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Absolutely. So close after the GF. With not a word of thanks.

But there was a word of thanks. Not a big one, but it was there.

Mark Stone To Depart The Den

The Brisbane Lions confirm assistant coach Mark Stone will depart the Club.

www.lions.com.au

 

[Squizz89]

The one I would love to know what happened to is Dan. Started working with us for what would’ve only been a couple of months in that capacity and then just left, with no mention of it from the club?

Seems…… strange.

 

[martinson]

Spoken like someone who has no idea. There is a great feedback culture at the club.

Within the club.

But not without.

 

[Nunez]

So why did Stone leave?

He left the AFL system all together. He either wanted to leave the AFL system or we wanted to let him go. I think there is only one likely answer.

Within the club.

But not without.

What?