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https://apnews.com/united-states-government-be0f73d88547411a9a85e402d23788ed
Trump has taken to Twitter to slam “The FAKE NEWS media,” saying it “is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!”​
Trump specifically cited a series of news outlets, naming The New York Times, NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN.​
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...move-chrissy-teigen-insult-ex-exec-testifies/
The Trump White House urged it remove a 2019 Tweet by celebrity Chrissy Teigen insulting then-President Donald Trump​
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https://newrepublic.com/article/188946/kash-patel-fbi-enemies-list
Trump’s pick to run the FBI has already made it known who he plans to persecute if he gets confirmed.
“not just in government, but in the media.… Whether it’s criminally or civilly, we’ll figure that out.”​

Michael Atkinson (former inspector general of the intelligence community)
Lloyd Austin (defense secretary under President Joe Biden)
Brian Auten (supervisory intelligence analyst, FBI)
James Baker (not the former secretary of state; this James Baker is former general counsel for the FBI and former deputy general counsel at Twitter)
Bill Barr (former attorney general under Trump)
John Bolton (former national security adviser under Trump)
Stephen Boyd (former chief of legislative affairs, FBI)
Joe Biden (president of the United States)
John Brennan (former CIA director under President Barack Obama)
John Carlin (acting deputy attorney general, previously ran DOJ’s national security division under Trump)
Eric Ciaramella (former National Security Council staffer, Obama and Trump administrations)
Pat Cippolone (former White House counsel under Trump)
James Clapper (Obama’s director of national intelligence)
Hillary Clinton (former secretary of state and presidential candidate)
James Comey (former FBI director)
Elizabeth Dibble (former deputy chief of mission, U.S. Embassy, London)
Mark Esper (former secretary of defense under Trump)
Alyssa Farah (former director of strategic communications under Trump)
Evelyn Farkas (former deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia under Obama)
Sarah Isgur Flores (former DOJ head of communications under Trump)
Merrick Garland (attorney general under Biden)
Stephanie Grisham (former press secretary under Trump)
Kamala Harris (vice president under Biden; former presidential candidate)
Gina Haspel (CIA director under Trump)
Fiona Hill (former staffer on the National Security Council)
Curtis Heide (FBI agent)
Eric Holder (former attorney general under Obama)*
Robert Hur (special counsel who investigated Biden over mishandling of classified documents)
Cassidy Hutchinson (aide to Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows)
Nina Jankowicz (former executive director, Disinformation Governance Board, under Biden)
Lois Lerner (former IRS director under Obama)
Loretta Lynch (former attorney general under Obama)
Charles Kupperman (former deputy national security adviser under Trump)
Gen. Kenneth Mackenzie, retired (former commander of United States Central Command)
Andrew McCabe (former FBI deputy director under Trump)
Ryan McCarthy (former secretary of the Army under Trump)
Mary McCord (former acting assistant attorney general for national security under Obama)
Denis McDonough (former chief of staff for Obama, secretary of veterans affairs under Biden)
Gen. Mark Milley, retired (former chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff)
Lisa Monaco (deputy attorney general under Biden)
Sally Myer (former supervisory attorney, FBI)
Robert Mueller (former FBI director, special counsel for Russiagate)
Bruce Ohr (former associate deputy attorney general under Obama and Trump)
Nellie Ohr (wife of Bruce Ohr and former CIA employee)
Lisa Page (former legal counsel for Deputy Director Andrew McCabe at FBI under Obama and Trump; exchanged texts about Trump with Peter Strzok)
Pat Philbin (former deputy White House counsel under Trump)
John Podesta (former counselor to Obama; senior adviser to Biden on climate policy)
Samatha Power (former ambassador to the United Nations under Obama, administrator of AID under Biden)
Bill Priestap (former assistant director for counterintelligence, FBI, under Obama)
Susan Rice (former national security adviser under Obama, director of the Domestic Policy Council under Biden)
Rod Rosenstein (former deputy attorney general under Trump)
Peter Strzok (former deputy assistant director for counterintelligence, FBI, under Obama and Trump; exchanged texts about Trump with Lisa Page)
Jake Sullivan (national security adviser under President Joe Biden)
Michael Sussman (former legal representative, Democratic National Committee)
Miles Taylor (former DHS official under Trump; penned New York Times op-ed critical of Trump under the byline, “Anonymous”)
Timothy Thibault (former assistant special agent, FBI)
Andrew Weissman (Mueller’s deputy in Russiagate probe)
Alexander Vindman (former National Security Council director for European affairs)
Christopher Wray (FBI director under Trump and Biden; Trump nominated Patel to replace him even though Wray’s term doesn’t expire until August 2027)
Sally Yates (former deputy attorney general under Obama and, briefly, acting attorney general under Trump)

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/10/nx-s1-5252473/elon-musk-germany-election-afd-candidate-alice-weidel

After working to help elect Donald Trump, and gaining a new role over U.S. government efficiency, tech billionaire Musk has gone on a tear on X criticizing and insulting European leaders — from the United Kingdom to Germany, France and others — causing alarm among politicians, while winning applause from some including Italy's prime minister.​
Germany's domestic intelligence agency has put the AfD — a party known for hardline stances against immigration and Islam — under surveillance for suspected right-wing extremism, which the party denies. Figures in the party have been accused of using Nazi slogans in speeches and downplaying the Holocaust.​

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D.E.I are an enemy of the people. If you are found to be giving them safe haven you will be punished.


Ok. Let's now look for ways to define the final outcomes of fascism, in order to point out that the Trump regime isn't there yet... Therefore will never be there.
I’m not defending Trump, the guy scares me. I genuinely worried about the direction the world is taking.

I’m simply making the point that he’s not a “fascist” though he’s certainly nationalistic and autocratic (as far as he can be within their constitutional framework).
 

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I’m not defending Trump, the guy scares me. I genuinely worried about the direction the world is taking.

I’m simply making the point that he’s not a “fascist” though he’s certainly nationalistic and autocratic (as far as he can be within their constitutional framework).
Can you admit that his regime is showing signs of fascism?
 
There’s nothing emotive in that sentence.

You quite literally confidently assert something sweeping about a political party and then a post later say that you know nothing of their economic policies.

Do you not realise how asinine that is?
I’m making statements about the policies of the Nazis and Mussolini based on my research. I’m focusing on them as they were really the genesis of Fascism.

I don’t research so-called Neo-Nazis. They appear to be little more than thugs and terrorists.
 
I stated at post #651 that he is nationalistic and has tendencies towards autocracy.


Can you admit that his regime is showing signs of fascism?

I will state that Trump's regime is showing signs of fascism, from schedule F to being supported by the people who control most of access to online information.

Can you admit his regime is specifically showing signs of fascism?
And if so, what do you believe is the signs of fascism, in your opinion?
 
I’m making statements about the policies of the Nazis and Mussolini based on my research. I’m focusing on them as they were really the genesis of Fascism.

I don’t research so-called Neo-Nazis. They appear to be little more than thugs and terrorists.
My bad, I didn’t catch the neo bit of your post and read it as I’m not sure of the Nazis economic policies.

Btw - the neo Nazis economic policies are the same as the old Nazis economic policies.

Now for a bit of research, go tell a bunch of neo Nazis that they are socialists…. See how you go
 
I don't use those terms, precisely because of how fluid and vague they are.

The current usage seems to be 'left' = progressive, 'right' = conservative, which matches up with those original definitions.

It all depends on whether socialism is considered progressive, and capitalism, conservative. What do you think?
I don’t think socialism is necessarily under the “progressive” umbrella but many of its stated goals are shared. I expect plenty of progressives would identify as socialists though, and few would identify as capitalists.

Capitalism isn’t necessarily conservatism. But I think there’s a large overlap between the groups.
 

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So the finger pointing of Nazis on both sides, is what you're having fun with?
Yep. One side - Elon is a nazi. Other side- these guys did the same thing.
Both sides - but you’re wrong i’m right. We could argue for a year and it will go nowhere.
 
If you want to understand what the fascists stood for it’s best to look to their policies and actions rather than the opinions of authors and other commentators made nearly a century later (especially given the revisionism that has become popular).

Here’s a link to a site with the Nazis 25 point plan:

It doesn’t sound much like capitalism does it?
Dude, you clearly didn't peruse the links provided, because if you did you'd have seen the quotes from Hitler, Himmler and Mussolini on them.

Also, if you have a bone to pick with academia, this might be your go:


Again, and for the third time now: ask people what they think and why they think it, instead of jumping straight into an series of generalisations and assumptions.

The other side is, this forum has misinformation rules. If you seriously want to try on "the Nazis were acktually socialist all along!" thing on here, you're going to have to prove it, factually, or find yourself butting up against those rules.
You seem to be a very emotive poster and struggle with a rational discussion, instead resorting to attempts at ridicule to de-rail discussion.
... and this is a dismissal, not an attempt at rational discussion.
 
OK.

Well let's skip past the optics.

If what Elon did was intentionally symbolic.
Do you think that's bad, and if so, why?
I think he did a dumb thing that wasn't intended as a nazi salute. Just scroll through the pages mate, because I CBF repeating the same stuff.
 
I will state that Trump's regime is showing signs of fascism, from schedule F to being supported by the people who control most of access to online information.

Can you admit his regime is specifically showing signs of fascism?
And if so, what do you believe is the signs of fascism, in your opinion?
As previously stated he is nationalistic and has a tendency towards autocracy like Fascists. But on economic matters he’s poles apart.
 
Dude, you clearly didn't peruse the links provided, because if you did you'd have seen the quotes from Hitler, Himmler and Mussolini on them.

Also, if you have a bone to pick with academia, this might be your go:


Again, and for the third time now: ask people what they think and why they think it, instead of jumping straight into an series of generalisations and assumptions.

The other side is, this forum has misinformation rules. If you seriously want to try on "the Nazis were acktually socialist all along!" thing on here, you're going to have to prove it, factually, or find yourself butting up against those rules.
I thought we were having a healthy debate. But I can see that I’m on borrowed time here. I’ve endeavoured to post rationally.

Obviously you disagree with the views I’ve posted and you’re the one with the big stick so there’s little point in me continuing to post here.
 
I thought we were having a healthy debate. But I can see that I’m on borrowed time here. I’ve endeavoured to post rationally.

Obviously you disagree with the views I’ve posted and you’re the one with the big stick so there’s little point in me continuing to post here.
Don't do this.

Substantiate your positions, or be open to adjusting them based on new information.

You are not being censored, you're being engaged with and pushed to substantiate your position.
 
If what Elon did was intentionally symbolic.

Do you think that's bad, and if so, why?
See, when it gets to the yelly stage it's get's stupid. Re-read the last few pages. I don't think it was intentional. Why is so hard to understand? Just like the Waltz one isn't, or the Harris one isn't etc etc. Why do you think MSN is in the toilet? Why have independent media streams grown. Why did 70 odd million vote for Trump again and reject Harris? Is everyone who voted for Trump a nationalistic, white supremist who hates gays etc? If yes, you tell me why.
 
See, when it gets to the yelly stage it's get's stupid. Re-read the last few pages. I don't think it was intentional. Why is so hard to understand? Just like the Waltz one isn't, or the Harris one isn't etc etc. Why do you think MSN is in the toilet? Why have independent media streams grown. Why did 70 odd million vote for Trump again and reject Harris? Is everyone who voted for Trump a nationalistic, white supremist who hates gays etc? If yes, you tell me why.
If what Elon did was intentionally symbolic.
Do you think that's bad, and if so, why?


There is a reason you cannot engage and respond to this.
You know the optics are bad, what it represents are bad. But you don't understand why...

It's why you all jump to any similar imagery. Ignoring the intent.

The problem with so many of the people who cry about the Hitler comparisons, is that they don't understand any of this.

They know that Hitler is bad. And to compare a person with Hitler, is bad etc.
It's why they compared wearing a mask with The Holocaust.
Bad thing is bad.
They don't really know why Hitler was 'bad'.
To them, Hitler wasn't real. He's like the devil or Satan. (no offense Satan).

To them, Hitler is a phrase used to denote evil, rather than a historical figure that literal comparisons can be made with.
 
See, when it gets to the yelly stage it's get's stupid. Re-read the last few pages. I don't think it was intentional. Why is so hard to understand? Just like the Waltz one isn't, or the Harris one isn't etc etc. Why do you think MSN is in the toilet? Why have independent media streams grown. Why did 70 odd million vote for Trump again and reject Harris? Is everyone who voted for Trump a nationalistic, white supremist who hates gays etc? If yes, you tell me why.

Not intentional…. So you are saying that Elon’s default setting is fascist/nazi?
 

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