Fevola a Lion

[POBT]

I reckon that it appears to be a bargain trade is making a lot of supporters feel better. It doesn't help me though.

He acts like a w***er on the footy field and does a pretty good impression of a w***er off the field too, at least in his public capacity. When it was Aker, I didn't care (at first) because he was our w***er. But Fevola will never be ours. He will be the Carlton player who finished his career at the Lions. Only a premiership (perhaps) could change that, IMO.

I'm not going to don the hemp cloth and start a protest or burn my membership card but I just don't want Brendan Fevola at my club. If he comes here, I will accept it and move on with supporting the Lions. But as much good as it will do us on the field, I'm not in favour of progressing with this trade. A personal thing, I guess.

 

[dlanod]

He will be the Carlton player who finished his career at the Lions. Only a premiership (perhaps) could change that, IMO.

Doubt it. Caracella is still Essendon to me.

 

[Hollow Knight]

You guys will just have to take my word for it that Bradshaw has absolutely no problem with this deal. Really can't justify it more than that without exposing a source.

The Rischitelli reluctance tugs at the heartstrings a little though. Hopefully the club don't push him too far. JMac wants to move to Melbourne, sub him in instead.

 

[Hubb]

Carlton need a defender more than a midfeilder, so J.Mac seems like a better deal.
And from the Lions perspective I'd perfer to lose J.Mac than Ricsch

 

[3KZ is Football]

The Rischitelli reluctance tugs at the heartstrings a little though. Hopefully the club don't push him too far. JMac wants to move to Melbourne, sub him in instead.

Agreed.

I think Rischitelli is a better footballer than Joel Macdonald and I would much rather have him on our list.

Go Lions.

 

[dlanod]

I'm surprised JMac wasn't part of the deal, especially since I think he's a better footballer these days than Rischitelli. Maybe the Lions are figuring they could get back that second rounder off the Roos for him (maybe packaging him with pick 47), rather than tossing him into the Fev deal, while Rischitelli is more expendable. Or maybe Carlton knocked him back first before they settled on Rischitelli.

 

[Grimreepah]

The Rischitelli reluctance tugs at the heartstrings a little though. Hopefully the club don't push him too far. JMac wants to move to Melbourne, sub him in instead.

I wonder why JMac wasn't offered instead of Riska. IMO they have similar value, although JMac has reached a higher level of performance, which I believe gives him slightly more currency. Jmac wants to go, Riska doesn't. I would have thought Carlton need a defender more than a midfielder. Maybe Carlton doesn't rate Jmac, maybe Voss doesn't rate Riska. Maybe Jmac is scheduled to be used in another trade.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I wonder why JMac wasn't offered instead of Riska. IMO they have similar value, although JMac has reached a higher level of performance, which I believe gives him slightly more currency. Jmac wants to go, Riska doesn't. I would have thought Carlton need a defender more than a midfielder. Maybe Carlton doesn't rate Jmac, maybe Voss doesn't rate Riska. Maybe Jmac is scheduled to be used in another trade.

Maybe Carlton wanted to replace an Italian with another one.

Seriously, these Rischitelli developments are bumming me out.

Would rather the deal fell over than Rischitelli be pressured against his wishes, if Carlton's pitch wasn't enough to win him over, let him stay. Start tweaking the deal Gubby. Sub JMac for Rischa. Throw in pick 47 as well.

Maybe JMac is insistent on playing under Brad Scott at North?

 

[notting18]

I wonder why JMac wasn't offered instead of Riska. IMO they have similar value, although JMac has reached a higher level of performance, which I believe gives him slightly more currency. Jmac wants to go, Riska doesn't. I would have thought Carlton need a defender more than a midfielder. Maybe Carlton doesn't rate Jmac, maybe Voss doesn't rate Riska. Maybe Jmac is scheduled to be used in another trade.

Another option is it may be money related. Rischa on a lot more coin than MacDonald IMO

 

[whatboutbob]

Another option is it may be money related. Rischa on a lot more coin than MacDonald IMO

Good point. Reckon you might be on to something.

 

[Hollow Knight]

SEN have reported that Fev has officially approved the move.

 

[Gautama]

I wonder why JMac wasn't offered instead of Riska. IMO they have similar value, although JMac has reached a higher level of performance, which I believe gives him slightly more currency. Jmac wants to go, Riska doesn't. I would have thought Carlton need a defender more than a midfielder. Maybe Carlton doesn't rate Jmac, maybe Voss doesn't rate Riska. Maybe Jmac is scheduled to be used in another trade.

Correct me if I'm wrong but MacDonald is a running/linking defender who cannot play on a Key Forward. We already have Bower and Thornton to do this job and they do it well, MacDonald could get a game on a HBF but we already have Scotland playing there with Grigg likely to replace him soon. Rischitelli offers something we lack, hence the interest.
I would be ropable if we agreed to the deal with MacDonald instead of Rischitelli.

 

[POBT]

Another option is it may be money related. Rischa on a lot more coin than MacDonald IMO

Hit. Nail. Head.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Rischitelli offers something we lack, hence the interest.

I would have agreed that he offered you something you lack, had you not traded pick 11 for Brock McLean on Monday.

 

[POBT]

Correct me if I'm wrong but MacDonald is a running/linking defender who cannot play on a Key Forward. We already have Bower and Thornton to do this job and they do it well, MacDonald could get a game on a HBF but we already have Scotland playing there with Grigg likely to replace him soon. Rischitelli offers something we lack, hence the interest.
I would be ropable if we agreed to the deal with MacDonald instead of Rischitelli.

Was going to make the point that mid sized backmen is not an area that Carlton lack in. You'd even throw Waite in there as someone with the ability to play short(er) and tall and provide backline run. However, I think the difference is that Riska gives the impression of someone who can play at a high level (and has, sporadically) while JMac probably get every ounce of ability out of himself. Carlton may back themselves to turn Riska into something better while JMac is what he is.

 

[Grimreepah]

Another option is it may be money related. Rischa on a lot more coin than MacDonald IMO

Possibly, possibly not. It was reported earlier that Macdonald is being traded to relieve salary cap pressure. If Riska is on bigger money than Macdonald then I would have thought he would have been more likely to be put up for trade (especially considering Voss supposedly doesn't rate him).

Although I do recognise that Rischitelli's salary is probably inflated considering Essendon's attempt to poach him a couple of years ago.

 

[Gautama]

I would have agreed that he offered you something you lack, had you not traded pick 11 for Brock McLean on Monday.

Admittedly I don't know either player that well but I don't think McLean can be asked to shut down players, nor is he mobile enough to play away from the packs. He is a see ball get ball kick ball kinda player, Rischitelli has more nous than that (I hope).

 

[Loyal Lion]

SEN have reported that Fev has officially approved the move.

He'll probably be a Lion now regardless of whether Braddy or Rischa or both go to Carlton. Lions reluctantly may concede pick 12 as plan B.

Rumour is that Braddy has said yes, but his wife is not sure about moving to Melbourne.

 

[notting18]

He is a see ball get ball kick ball kinda player, Rischitelli has more nous than that (I hope).

You're right - Rischa is a "see ball, get ball, kick ball long" kinda player

 

[POBT]

Admittedly I don't know either player that well but I don't think McLean can be asked to shut down players, nor is he mobile enough to play away from the packs. He is a see ball get ball kick ball kinda player, Rischitelli has more nous than that (I hope).

Riska gives every impression of being a good inside mid - but he doesn't produce it regularly enough. He does have a massive engine and has the ability to pick up touches in the open. He works hard without the ball. He probably isn't a pure shut down player but he will lift the defensive intensity when on ball (can be sometimes too focused on that and not focused enough on winning the ball).

He'll be around about the mark of your 18th-25th player - as he probably was on our list. Given there was so much talk about Carlton's lack of depth this year, he'll be OK for you. Don't expect Brownlows or B&F wins though - he's just a good solid citizen.

 

[Lionfan17]

You're right - Rischa is a "see ball, get ball, kick ball long" kinda player

Old school?

 

[Gautama]

You're right - Rischa is a "see ball, get ball, kick ball long" kinda player

Riska gives every impression of being a good inside mid - but he doesn't produce it regularly enough. He does have a massive engine and has the ability to pick up touches in the open. He works hard without the ball. He probably isn't a pure shut down player but he will lift the defensive intensity when on ball (can be sometimes too focused on that and not focused enough on winning the ball).

He'll be around about the mark of your 18th-25th player - as he probably was on our list. Given there was so much talk about Carlton's lack of depth this year, he'll be OK for you. Don't expect Brownlows or B&F wins though - he's just a good solid citizen.

All I want is someone who can be moved into the centre square when Judd is on the bench who has some awareness that the opposition might get their hands on the ball first and try and prevent that, he can smother, tackle, block, chase, whatever... I'm just tired of seeing our midfielders treat clearances like a game of Russian Roulette. I like the acquisition of McLean a lot but he like the rest of our mids is a purely offensively minded player. He will help us win more clearances but he won't do much to prevent the opposition winning them either. Rischitelli hopefully will, and when he's not he has the engine to play around the ground.

It all sounds good in my head...

 

[Hollow Knight]

All I want is someone who can be moved into the centre square when Judd is on the bench who has some awareness that the opposition might get their hands on the ball first and try and prevent that, he can smother, tackle, block, chase, whatever... I'm just tired of seeing our midfielders treat clearances like a game of Russian Roulette. I like the acquisition of McLean a lot but he like the rest of our mids is a purely offensively minded player. He will help us win more clearances but he won't do much to prevent the opposition winning them either. Rischitelli hopefully will, and when he's not he has the engine to play around the ground.

It all sounds good in my head...

The problem is you can have too many defensively minded blokes in the centre and you either tackle the opposition and force another ball up, or you are too reactive and the opposition gets away with the clearance.

This is part of Brisbane's clearance problem. Too many blokes applying pressure, not enough trying to make the play.

 

[Bomber Bears]

If Brown and Fevola play well together, holy crap, alot of goals to be kicked

 

[Lionfan17]

I'm still not convinced Fev is coming.