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If you say 1987 might as well say 1982 when South moved north (to Sydney).
First side to 17 premierships?
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If you say 1987 might as well say 1982 when South moved north (to Sydney).
Hawthorn would not really get much role on graph until late 70's and beyond and even then, not close to the premiership leaders. 2015 is their high point. Three behind, bloody good effort from 1961 to 2015 to win 13 flags. But as we saw with Melbourne stuck on 12 for over five decades and Colingwood stuck on 13 for over three decades and Fitzroy flying to 7 about hundred years ago this league is full of clubs that can go from golden eras to big droughts. Hawks may never get closer for all we know. My own club on our longest right now of 23 years. Hence we now have a good battle on our hands to get to 17 first.
or late 70's when games were played at SCG.
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Really shows how clubs had a couple of decades of powerhouse eras at most before they get back in the pack.
Eg Carlton's power club status was really only for only 20 or so years, seven premierships between 1967-87. Still good in the 90s but nowhere near as good as that.
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Well if you're including Melbourne and Richmond in the race makes sense to add the Hawks as they're above them. Imagine, but for the Pies drawing and winning the replay and Hawks losing in 2012 both could be on 14!
I did not include Richmond in the race. The only clubs that have ever lead the premiership count at any stage are Carlton, Collingwood, Fitzroy , Essendon and Melbourne. That was just a tiger fan curious to see how close they ever come to getting in the mix.
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It would be interesting to see if Collingwood drew level on most premierships whether Essendon and Carlton would quit coasting on past glories and get serious again.
Essendon especially have always seemed smugly self satisfied that they have the most premierships and their most recent one was the most dominant ever. Carlton seem to fall back on being a powerhouse, despite not having resembled it for nearly 20 years.
Essendon especially have always seemed smugly self satisfied that they have the most premierships and their most recent one was the most dominant ever. Carlton seem to fall back on being a powerhouse, despite not having resembled it for nearly 20 years.
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Not really. The Swans were a relocated team. They went from being totally irrelevant to being everyone's second team televised live every second Sunday arvo. Other than that, the comp was essentially the same. It wasn't a huge change. Same players, same colours, same logo... The crowds were the same: 15,000 at the Lake Oval --> 15,000 at the SCG
But everything changed with the league expansion in 1987. The West Coast Eagles and Brisbane Bears were brand new teams with new colours and new players we hadn't seen before. The Eagles were basically a "Best of the WAFL" and they immediately made the WAFL a minor secondary competition, basically a feeder league to the VFL/AFL.
Instead of 5 games in Melbourne on Saturday and one in Sydney on Sunday, we suddenly had 2 or 3 games played interstate each week. Games on Friday night , Saturday and Sunday.
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Collingwood win the flag this year,Carlton and Essendon would wake up in a flash.
Interesting year next year with the Geelong rules.
Interesting year next year with the Geelong rules.
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My God if we'd only won half of all those we've lost. No one would ever catch us.
Yes a very successful era.
I included Melbourne because they were in the race when they last won a flag (1964). I probably should've included Fitzroy, because they led for a number of years in the early years of the comp. I included Richmond because they are my side and I was interested.
Yep, that's all it was.
Interesting to see there's a few groups that have formed
The ever-successful sides (15-16 flags)
The mainly-successful-with-the-occasional-drought sides (9-13)
The unsuccessful sides (1-4)
Obviously the non-victorian sides are fairly heavily handicapped in a raw premiership race.
I'd be intrigued to see a graph with all teams at the same starting point.
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That would be very interesting. I think for the first ~80 years after entry Collingwood would still be streets ahead, but Hawthorn would be grouped with Essendon and Carlton.
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No club is close to 17 flags in the AFL. Sure if you include VFL records but that was an inferior league and fewer clubs.
Hawks, eagles, cats and Brisbane are leading the race
Hawks, eagles, cats and Brisbane are leading the race
The 'AFL' era is ridiculous and vague. 1990 was essentially the same competition as 1989 - and only had 1 more club than most of the VFL era.
Either count premierships from the formation of the league that became the AFL (1897), or from when the competition took its current form (2012). Picking any other year is, from a difficulty view, arbitrary.
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Actually, 1990 had the same number of clubs as 1989, Adelaide didn't enter until the next year. It was simply a name change.
The VFL was already quasi national by 1987, with all the mainland states aside from SA represented. After the Crows came in 1991, the only expansion has been adding extra clubs to states that were already represented.
Personally I don't think 'expansion' was concrete until Sydney and Brisbane had made GFs / won premierships. People forget in the early 90s both clubs were at serious risk of disappearing entirely, and the security of the national comp was not guaranteed.
The argument that Victoria was just a state league like the WAFL / SANFL is bullshit. Victoria is and always has been larger in terms of population than both those states combined. Unless you think there is something special about WA or SA talent, the VFL was always the premier league, and always had the best talent, simply due to sheer weight of numbers.
Your fellow West Aussies will round up a mob, track you down and hang you at old Fremantle jail before sunset.
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It’s like 1925 to 1960 and 1992 to 2007 never happened.
Melbourne had won flags in 5 successive decades up to 1964.
Collingwood had won flags in 5 of 6 decades to 1958.
Fitzroy won flags in 4 of 5 decades to 1944.
But yeah, nothing ever changes.
Are you actually saying both clubs just haven't given a **** and are happy to be where they are?
I can assure you neither club, whilst proud of their past achievements, have ever considered resting on their laurels.
There's certainly not been much to rest upon of late.
Seems a very silly statement all in all.
A powerful team like Collingwood not to be in a Grand Final for another 40 years, seems very unlikely. They'll make it there at least 3 or 4 more over the next 40 years.
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Lol so thanks for pointing out what he said was correct... we won 1991 (covered 90's decade) and won 2008 (covered 2000's).
Don't be a sour grapes peanut.
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