Football club finances / FFP

[moomba]

Lost a little bit in the drama over associated party rules was the suggestion by the Times that the main case against us will start in November and is expected to last for six weeks.

 

[moomba]

And disappointingly, with the APT case the league will announce a verdict, but will provide no written reasons or explanation.

A real shame, whichever way the case goes I think it's important that supporters are able to see why decisions are being made the way they are.

 

[ossie_21]

Where is Dick Master in all this? Or is he keeping quiet trying to work out how to defend this case by blaming Everton?

 

[moomba]

Where is Dick Master in all this? Or is he keeping quiet trying to work out how to defend this case by blaming Everton?

Confidentiality provisions unfortunately.

Whoever leaked it to the press shouldn't have.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Great article and sums up my and many other people’s thoughts on how the FA well and truly f***** it allowing govts for owners and its ramifications..to quote the article ‘let the tiger in’…

Manchester City’s Trumpian tactics spotlight autocratic creep in football | Barney Ronay

As club’s powerful owners rail against ‘the elites’ in legal battle with Premier League, there is a looming danger to the game

www.theguardian.com

 

[SM]

Great article and sums up mine and people’s thoughts on how the FA well and truly f***** it allowing govts for owners and its ramifications..to quote the article ‘let the tiger in’…

Manchester City’s Trumpian tactics spotlight autocratic creep in football | Barney Ronay

As club’s powerful owners rail against ‘the elites’ in legal battle with Premier League, there is a looming danger to the game

www.theguardian.com

It's why sometimes I think the championship isn't so bad.

 

[chef]

 

[SM]

Rodri undefeated is a good in for that side.

 

[Bostonian]

Depending who you believe, teams supporting Man Shitty.

Newcastle, Chelsea, Villa, Everton

v

The Good Guys

 

[Lebbo73]

If they do go to 18, that will end my support of football.

There's just some things that shouldn't be ****ed with. The domestic leagues should never be impacted by the European leagues and it's ****ing gross they continue to do it.

Something has to give. The top clubs play too much football. In saying this though, I don’t believe that the amount of games played will be reduced for these clubs.

 

[Zidane98]

LOL, OK if you believe football is exempt from UK law despite me posting the rule that says it isn't, then I guess there isn't much point continuing the discussion.

This is desperation from you. The FA is a shareholder of the PL with veto power, Any rule voted into the PL is compliant with UK law. MCFC saying it isn't means nothing. Otherwise every single club that disagrees with a PL rule change can just claim it isn't compliant with UK law and no rule changes would ever be passed.

Suggestions of football being exempt from the law are nonsense.

 

[Zidane98]

Depending who you believe, teams supporting Man Shitty.

Newcastle, Chelsea, Villa, Everton

v

The Good Guys

Newcastle for obvious reasons support fellow oil money clubs. Saudis also have billions invested in Clearlake. No surprises. Everton & Villa are a bit of a surprise.

 

[Jatz]

Something has to give. The top clubs play too much football. In saying this though, I don’t believe that the amount of games played will be reduced for these clubs.

That's what you get for being a top club. Like I said previously, you've got massive squads. Rotate more often.

It shouldn't be up to the smaller clubs to help ease that burden for them.

 

[Lebbo73]

That's what you get for being a top club. Like I said previously, you've got massive squads. Rotate more often.

It shouldn't be up to the smaller clubs to help ease that burden for them.

It’s one of the reasons why the other big leagues produce way more Champions League winners than the EPL. The EPL is the strongest league but the players are too tired when playing in Europe.

 

[Jatz]

It’s one of the reasons why the other big leagues produce way more Champions League winners than the EPL. The EPL is the strongest league but the players are too tired when playing in Europe.

But again, not the problem of the other clubs...

The top 6 need to figure it out without impacting the domestic league.

 

[Lebbo73]

This is desperation from you. The FA is a shareholder of the PL with veto power, Any rule voted into the PL is compliant with UK law. MCFC saying it isn't means nothing. Otherwise every single club that disagrees with a PL rule change can just claim it isn't compliant with UK law and no rule changes would ever be passed.

Suggestions of football being exempt from the law are nonsense.

Why is it compliant with UK law? So you’re saying that a rule voted in by the PL should be accepted as UK law? That’s the starting basis for shit laws to be passed.

 

[moomba]

Depending who you believe, teams supporting Man Shitty.

Newcastle, Chelsea, Villa, Everton

v

The Good Guys

If the rules changes made back in February turn out to be illegal according to UK law do you think they should be changed?

That is the only issue here. If they are illegal, the laws will revert back to their previous form, and will no doubt be re-written so they comply with UK law.

If the current law is deemed compliant, we'll lose the case and everyone will move on with their lives.

Forget the hysteria about us wanting free reign, or pushing everyone back to super league, or stopping distribution of money to the EFL, or making sure games will be played abroad, or causing corona and killing JR.

That's just scaremongering written by client journalists. Been a lot of it in the past 24 hours, but the only issue is if the current laws are legal.

If they're not, everyone should want them changed, and the only way for that to happen is for us to take the action we've taken.

 

[moomba]

There's a bit of a narrative put out at the moment that it's big, bad City and their expensive lawyers vs poor old Premier League and legal aid.

They have some big hitters on their side as well.

 

[moomba]

Why is it compliant with UK law? So you’re saying that a rule voted in by the PL should be accepted as UK law? That’s the starting basis for shit laws to be passed.

It's just Zidane98 being Zidane98.

The Premier league handbook even says that everything in it is subject to UK law.

 

[Zidane98]

If the rules changes made back in February turn out to be illegal according to UK law do you think they should be changed?

That is the only issue here. If they are illegal, the laws will revert back to their previous form, and will no doubt be re-written so they comply with UK law.

If the current law is deemed compliant, we'll lose the case and everyone will move on with their lives.

Forget the hysteria about us wanting free reign, or pushing everyone back to super league, or stopping distribution of money to the EFL, or making sure games will be played abroad, or causing corona and killing JR.

That's just scaremongering written by client journalists. Been a lot of it in the past 24 hours, but the only issue is if the current laws are legal.

If they're not, everyone should want them changed, and the only way for that to happen is for us to take the action we've taken.

"If they are" Sorry, this is nonsense. By default, the rules are compliant with UK law. They've been passed by 19 other shareholder clubs and also by the FA who hold veto power on any rule change.

 

[Zidane98]

It's just Zidane98 being Zidane98.

The Premier league handbook even says that everything in it is subject to UK law.

Yes, and for that reason all rule changes that have been passed are compliant with UK law.



Man City trying to claim they aren't because of impending charges related to the very same rule doesn't change a thing.

 

[Bostonian]

If the rules changes made back in February turn out to be illegal according to UK law do you think they should be changed?

That is the only issue here. If they are illegal, the laws will revert back to their previous form, and will no doubt be re-written so they comply with UK law.

If the current law is deemed compliant, we'll lose the case and everyone will move on with their lives.

Forget the hysteria about us wanting free reign, or pushing everyone back to super league, or stopping distribution of money to the EFL, or making sure games will be played abroad, or causing corona and killing JR.

That's just scaremongering written by client journalists. Been a lot of it in the past 24 hours, but the only issue is if the current laws are legal.

If they're not, everyone should want them changed, and the only way for that to happen is for us to take the action we've taken.

The PL sets the rules for their competition.

All clubs get a vote on them do they not?

It's not scaremongering.

The majority of fans which is who make the game would want your owners gone forever out of the English game.

Would be great if they could be ham stung enough by the other clubs votes to the point where they leave the competition for good.

 

[chef]

 

[moomba]

Man City trying to claim they aren't because of impending charges related to the very same rule doesn't change a thing.

This claim has nothing to do with impending charges. It is about rule changes made in February 2024. If we win, or if we lose it will have no impact on the charges.

 

[moomba]

The PL sets the rules for their competition.

All clubs get a vote on them do they not?

It's not scaremongering.

The majority of fans which is who make the game would want your owners gone forever out of the English game.

Would be great if they could be ham stung enough by the other clubs votes to the point where they leave the competition for good.

It wasn't that complicated a question.

If the laws are found to be non compliant with UK law would you want them changed?

Or just carry on, because 12 football clubs voted for them and a couple abstained?