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Official Club Stuff Football Department Review and Board update
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Tough first press conference for Sayers. But don't think he came across all that well. And the Liddle-Sayers combo looked like another deadman walking scenario
game plan was too offensive. I want to know why Teague and coaches were not able to recify that? Wondering if the comments on Cripps are an attempt to lay the blame at the players, so therefore is it a problem that the coaches were not able to get the players to defend?
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I think this level of detail was all they were ever going to publicly announce. I'm not sure what other people expected.
It will be interesting to see the impact of the new data guy on the board. I'd be curious to know how they go about measuring success indicators across the club.
It will be interesting to see the impact of the new data guy on the board. I'd be curious to know how they go about measuring success indicators across the club.
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There's only one measure of success as far as I'm concerned, wins.
Lloyd and Liddle being safe is peak Carlton, scapegoat the coaches and keep on keeping on.
No-one should be bigger than the club.
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The most alarming thing for me is that we continue down the corporate representation path. Many people are wowed by corporate hotshots. Not me. We should be aiming for greater representation from different sections of society, people who offer different perspectives.
It would also be nice of them to acknowledge that this has been going on for 20 years, not 2. That would mean having to acknowledge being the common denominator through a lot of it though - won't hold my breath.
It would also be nice of them to acknowledge that this has been going on for 20 years, not 2. That would mean having to acknowledge being the common denominator through a lot of it though - won't hold my breath.
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Aspects were performing strongly according to the presser and email
- We were pleased that the final report delivered by the external panel outlined a number of areas our football department had been performing strongly, relating to areas of football strategy, list management, systems and operations, with quality people committed to what they’re doing.
It never ceases to amaze me how quick people are to over react.
This is not the final position of the review findings, it even states that in black and white in the email.
What needs to be addressed can't be be just slash and burn everything all at once.
The clubs has 20 or so recommendations to follow through on, the review highlighted some positives as well as the bleedingly obvious negatives.
Does Lloyd stay on or will there be an ongoing search for his replacement?
We can't assume that just because he is still in his role today that that is the clubs position moving forward.
Even just listening to the moronic questions from the meedya shows what a minefield there is to navigate.
As for the details released in the members email, what did people honestly expect?
This is not the final position of the review findings, it even states that in black and white in the email.
What needs to be addressed can't be be just slash and burn everything all at once.
The clubs has 20 or so recommendations to follow through on, the review highlighted some positives as well as the bleedingly obvious negatives.
Does Lloyd stay on or will there be an ongoing search for his replacement?
We can't assume that just because he is still in his role today that that is the clubs position moving forward.
Even just listening to the moronic questions from the meedya shows what a minefield there is to navigate.
As for the details released in the members email, what did people honestly expect?
Does it mean Liddle and Lloyd stay or go?
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John Nicholls was wrong.
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Some of the so-called positives were fairyland stuff and predictably so. That's what makes the rest of it read so bad.
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My best guess is they will depart as soon as they are able to line up another gig elsewhere. Lloyd for example to Pies. Liddle not sure but he probably exits once he can - Sayers probably gave him a few months to line something up.
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Those doing the review came to the conclusions that are in the review, unlikely that they found only negative things happening in the footy dept.
We cant assume they just made stuff up or were just being nice for the sake of it.
Give the board the opportunity to enact the findings in a measured, orderly and thought out manner.
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I'm of two minds here.
We're a footy club, and those are made up of people who above and beyond all else are committed to the club. A club is the varied mindsets and viewpoints generated from multiple perspectives, so ostensibly I'd be inclined to agree with a greater representation from a broader subsection of our supporter base than we have now.
On the other, it's a business, and we need to acknowledge that it's a business and that we're competing. You're not going to be able to compete without at least some expertise in the area.
Be specific. What are you referring to when you say that "this has been going on for 20 years, not 2"?
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Imagine how confused these players are going to be with Ross Lyon's game plans....
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Sayers could play midfield the way he baulked the question about the option to provide more support to Teague.
And then he says the review wasn’t about the coach yet all he did was sack another one. His 3rd in 7 years as a board member.
Disappointed that Townshend has left the Board. New appointment, very smart bloke with contacts right across the footy spectrum.
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Teague didn't see it as a problem and placed blame elsewhere for failings.
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Can we pin an official body count..
So far its,
Coaching - Teague, Stanton, Barker
Footy dept?
Board - Judd, Jeanne, Logo, Townshend
So far its,
Coaching - Teague, Stanton, Barker
Footy dept?
Board - Judd, Jeanne, Logo, Townshend
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If they both 'miraculously' take positions elsewhere then sayers is still right. It's harder to sack head of football type positions whilst the rest of the department is empty.
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I read this as "Russell knows what he's doing but people are meddling. We are going to fix this.".
My mind is boggling at the commentary around "all they did is sack the coach". Half the board is gone. A large cohort of assistants gone. Other key findings to be executed.
Read the statement.
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It might surprise you to learn, but, I did read the statement. Did you?
The board changes, while mentioned in the statement, have nothing to do with the review. The review was only focused on the footy department.
My comment wasn't just focused on the head coach, it was on the coaches (plural, meaning assistants as well).
Liddle and Lloyd should not be safe in this. It was clear as day from the outside that things weren't working on field from round 2 this year, if they couldn't see it, or worse did see it and failed to address it during the season, they have failed in their roles.
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Full presser ...
www.carltonfc.com.au
Full press conference: Sayers, Liddle on football department review
President Luke Sayers and CEO Cain Liddle addressed the media to discuss the findings of the Club's football department review.
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I did.
How can you divorce a 50% turn over the board from the review? The scope of the review was what was inhibiting the footy department being successful, but that causation appears to have been attributed to the board in some way too.
Without being an insider to the club or the review, tts impossible to assume what the root cause of many of these issues. I think it's a bit simplistic to say Lloyd and Liddle are accountable for everything and they should be sacked. How do you know Lloyd and Liddle weren't be overruled at the board level with key decision making? How do you know if Teague refused to execute in line with a strategy being set out Lloyd? The club is clearly fractured and being ruled by different factions. I think those nuances are unable to be convayed in a few pages of a summary of the review and would be inappropriate to share publicly.
From what I can gather, the club has taken a highly structured approach to this review and hasn't wavered from it, despite unfair media coverage. I respect that and I'll keep drinking the kool aid until I see evidence that it's a just a facade for the same old Carlton BS.
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