Coaching Staff Former Coach Ben "Truck" Rutten - Sacked for real this time - 21/8

[The Donners]

He still has time but was expecting a more professional football side no matter the win/loss. You could say it’s either the players aren’t listening or they’re simply not up to it but this has been carrying on for more than a decade.

 

[Lore]

He still has time but was expecting a more professional football side no matter the win/loss. You could say it’s either the players aren’t listening or they’re simply not up to it but this has been carrying on for more than a decade.

Maybe there are too many professionals... train hard, do everything that is asked of them, but heart isn't in it.

 

[BomberFan355]

300-700k a year and we have to dumb it down.

 

[faible]

300-700k a year and we have to dumb it down.

Footballers are good at football skills, not thinking.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Footballers are good at football skills, not thinking.

Can you please let half our players know?

 

[faible]

Can you please let half our players know?

I think they're trying to think, and their brains can't football and think all at once, so they end up doing both badly.

 

[BrunoV]

Sigh.
Father of jobe asking the question....let the white-anting begin.

He may be polished as a media performer but Tim is as bad and unrealistic as it gets when it comes to Essendon.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I think they're trying to think, and their brains can't football and think all at once, so they end up doing both badly.

There is a lot of truth to this when trying to remove bad habits and learn a game plan.

 

[Call Me Cake]

If we're going to be using injuries as an excuse every time the team shows insipidness and a lack of effort then we've truly fallen off the trajectory of what builds a solid team structure.

You look at other teams, who also suffer injuries to key players, and while they may not win games with as big of margins or may lose more of them, it won't be at the expense of trying or playing to a structure. The result isn't ideal but you walk away knowing you executed to the best of your ability because that's what the structure has provided - a structure which is handed down by the coach regardless of who is sitting in front of him.

We can talk about cakes all we like but if your entire trajectory, or layer, evades you and you endlessly make the same repeated obvious mistakes and only attempt 50 tackles a game as an entire unit then you have far deeper issues than injuries. That's a cultural and accountability/consenquence issue.

 

[Beerfish]

If we're going to be using injuries as an excuse every time the team shows insipidness and a lack of effort then we've truly fallen off the trajectory of what builds a solid team structure.

You look at other teams, who also suffer injuries to key players, and while they may not win games with as big of margins or may lose more of them, it won't be at the expense of trying or playing to a structure. The result isn't ideal but you walk away knowing you executed to the best of your ability because that's what the structure has provided - a structure which is handed down by the coach regardless of who is sitting in front of him.

We can talk about cakes all we like but if your entire trajectory, or layer, evades you and you endlessly make the same repeated obvious mistakes and only attempt 50 tackles a game as an entire unit then you have far deeper issues than injuries. That's a cultural and accountability/consenquence issue.

You don't think injuries have played any part at all in where we find ourselves currently? Is anybody actually blaming injuries exclusively for this?

 

[Call Me Cake]

You don't think injuries have played any part at all in where we find ourselves currently? Is anybody actually blaming injuries exclusively for this?

They may have played a part in our ability to win matches, but not in our reflection of effort coming away from them.

 

[Beerfish]

but not in our reflection of effort coming away from them.

What does that even mean?

Is anyone blaming losses on injuries alone?

 

[The Donners]

You don't think injuries have played any part at all in where we find ourselves currently? Is anybody actually blaming injuries exclusively for this?

Injuries have played no part in the lack of endeavour but perhaps they have in the inability to run both ways.

 

[Beerfish]

Injuries have played no part in the lack of endeavour but perhaps they have in the inability to run both ways.

injuries have played a part in the inability of the team to implement the system the coaching staff have been trying to implement. i think.

 

[Lore]

injuries have played a part in the inability of the team to implement the system the coaching staff have been trying to implement. i think.

I don’t recognise you with this avatar.

 

[Beerfish]

I don’t recognise you with this avatar.

i don't know how to respond to that

 

[Lore]

i don't know how to respond to that

Someone else has this avatar somewhere I think. I don’t remember who

 

[RearNaked]

Dodo should go before him but if we can get clarko we get clarko it’s simple

 

[JayDon]

To my surprise I'm hearing Clarkson is a big chance!?
Really!?
That would shake things up and attract talent that he would want.
Anyone else? We should be in the 5 year window.
We need something drastic. This might be it?

 

[JayJ20]

Am I the only one that wants nothing to do with Clarko? It's giving me Mick Malthouse at Carlton and Bomber Thompson and Woosha at Essendon vibes.

 

[brain taylor]

i think someone like clarkson or lyon would take one look at the way we chew up and spit out coaches, then block all calls from essendon.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Am I the only one that wants nothing to do with Clarko? It's giving me Mick Malthouse at Carlton and Bomber Thompson and Woosha at Essendon vibes.

Not the only one, no. In fact it's a pretty common take here.

Personally I'd love Clarko. I think we need some of his calibre over a greenhorn in Rutten. Clarko is in another league compared to those guys.

 

[blitzer]

Personally if Clarkson was available I'd be keen to get him. No idea how realistic that may or may not be.

I've been really disappointed at how our ability to execute a consistent game plan has actually got worse than last year. Its not all about wins and losses but even visually the way we play doesn't resemble anything approaching a top tier footy or one on the path to get there.
I look at a team like Adelaide who are no better than us really and are the only team putting out younger sides than we are and honestly its easier to see a path forward for them than us.

 

[bombreys]

i think someone like clarkson or lyon would take one look at the way we chew up and spit out coaches, then block all calls from essendon.

Who have we chewed up and spat out? If anything we’ve kept guys on too long.

 

[JayJ20]

Not the only one, no. In fact it's a pretty common take here.

Personally I'd love Clarko. I think we need some of his calibre over a greenhorn in Rutten. Clarko is in another league compared to those guys.

Clarko had a strong list compared to some of the Collingwood sides Malthouse coached to a grand final so I wouldn't say he is in another league. Bomber Thompson was also a strong coach.

How did he do after 2018 with an average list? Not great. People are still hanging on to what he did 6 years ago. The game has drastically changed since.

Suppose we were to get Clarko, how long will it take for fans to turn on him? They'll call him washed up and cooked within 2 seasons if we're still average. Some had already turned on Rutten 5 games into the season after an unexpected finals appearance in his first year.

This club is going nowhere if they fire Rutten within the first 5 years.