Coaching Staff Former Coach Ben "Truck" Rutten - Sacked for real this time - 21/8

[CBombers17]

I think it's safe to never assume anyone's assessments on BigFooty are correct

I can understand why.

 

[ant555]

I can give a personal experience as far as nature of players go.
Coaching under 18 you always have half your list turning over year by year due to top age going out and bottom age coming up which has it challenges.
My role when coaching was senior development coach working with the under 21 players , under 18 development coach and a role with the under 16 group at the junior club getting to know the top age who where coming into the under 18 level and getting them to train with the under 18 group on some Wednesday nights ( our under 18 group trained Monday , Wednesday and Thursday ) I also did Tuesday night training with the under 16 group. This is what I did for 12 years along with the little part time recruiting role.
We had a very good 12 year period making finals in 10 of the years but the two years we missed I could see coming because the group of kids coming through the under 16 level where not as switched on or as physical as previous ones so you would lose the players at the top end who drove the game plan and have to go back to a more basic game plan.
We went from winning a flag to 6th to elimination final to losing the GF in a four year period due to the middle group not having the same edge we had when we won the flag and it was not just about ability but the nature of the kids and their willing to play a bit more physical footy (not bashing the opposition but being willing to block or shepherd and take body contact).
Obviously it is different to AFL level but mindset is mindset and for every person who is willing to step out of their comfort zone there are 2 who will not.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Lol @ people saying exclusions made us the team we are now. Every team has injuries.

Literally the entire purpose of the gameplan brought in was the result of having an even spread where every player can play multiple roles.

If this isn't the case then the only thing that can be deduced is that the gameplan itself is stifling the players and not providing them with Plan B, Plan C and Plan D for when said omissions occur.

That's no one's fault but the coach's.

 

[faible]

Every team has injuries.

How's West Coast going with all their senior players being out?

Whoops. Not quite the slam dunk you thought.

 

[Call Me Cake]

By comparison to the period up to round 10 last year, between Hooker (27), Tippa (24) and Jones (10) we are missing 61 goals to round 10 this year.

Accounting for Wrights uptick and maybe Martin, we are still 40-odd goals short of where we were last year. That's 4 odd goals a game (we would have at least a couple of extra wins with 4 more goals per game).

We are severely down on cattle this year forward of centre.

What a simplistic way of looking at it.

The fact of the matter is we played much better last year, win, lose or draw. We beat the teams we should have beaten and were competitive against teams that were higher on the ladder, and we had plenty of close ones.

This year the stats show a different tale - not just in "goals", but literally all across the ground. Especially in defense. All contributing to a situation where we are not beating the teams lower on the ladder and we are no where near competitive against teams higher on the ladder. The games we lose are literally from the 30 to 50 goal margins, that's not 4 goals, that's 6 to 8.

One would think a past defensive player and coach, who loses firepower, would understand the need to concede less as a result to even the ledger, but even that has alluded us. And he's supposedly championing a gameplan designed to work based on roles, not personas.

Last year we walked away from losses with a sense of optimism - this year we walk away with a headline every week.

Enough of the apologist mantra.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Otherwise looking for a Hodge to Brisbane type pick-up that can play a year and direct traffic and reinforce the coaches message.

Owen 1: gameplans are so intricate, they can't just be picked up that easy. We need 5 years to know it!

Owen 2: ayo, we can like, bring in some old guy, and he'll be able to literally parlay it all after 1 off-season, ayyyyy

 

[faible]

Owen 1: gameplans are so intricate, they can't just be picked up that easy. We need 5 years to know it!

Owen 2: ayo, we can like, bring in some old guy, and he'll be able to literally parlay it all after 1 off-season, ayyyyy

I mean if you ignore everything I wrote, the reality of football experience, of picking the right player, and simply make things up. Then yep.

 

[faible]

Writes this:

What a simplistic way of looking at it.

Proceeds to produce incredibly simplistic analysis:

The fact of the matter is we played much better last year, win, lose or draw. We beat the teams we should have beaten and were competitive against teams that were higher on the ladder, and we had plenty of close ones.

This year the stats show a different tale - not just in "goals", but literally all across the ground. Especially in defense. All contributing to a situation where we are not beating the teams lower on the ladder and we are no where near competitive against teams higher on the ladder. The games we lose are literally from the 30 to 50 goal margins, that's not 4 goals, that's 6 to 8.

One would think a past defensive player and coach, who loses firepower, would understand the need to concede less as a result to even the ledger, but even that has alluded us. And he's supposedly championing a gameplan designed to work based on roles, not personas.

Your schtick is tired.

 

[Beerfish]

Lol @ people saying exclusions made us the team we are now. Every team has injuries.

Once again, literally nobody is saying this is the only reason. It's one contributing factor. And yet here you are again coming in off a long run up about something nobody has said.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Once again, literally nobody is saying this is the only reason. It's one contributing factor. And yet here you are again coming in off a long run up about something nobody has said.

For god's sake Beery can you stop saying the only reason we're playing poorly is injuries?! It's blatantly wrong!

 

[JayDon]

Most of our desired forward line is injured or retired.
Maybe it's just this for a developing team?
If they were playing surely we would be better.
Yes there are deficiencies across the field. Expected in a growing team?
Maybe they aren't doing too badly with say 3 preferred forwards playing regularly.

 

[Booplaz]

Pardon my French, but he’s been royally ****ed by injuries and failed trades this year. Stringer was a top 3 player competition wide in the 2nd half of 2021 and has succumbed to hamstrings this year. Snelling, Walla and failed trades for Rosas and Hill have left us devoid of any small forwards. Not to mention Jones and Langford injuries robbing Wright of any aerial support.

A fit Stringer, Langford and Jones paired with a couple of bigger mids and small forwards and we’re golden.

 

[faible]

Pardon my French, but he’s been royally ducked by injuries and failed trades this year. Stringer was a top 3 player competition wide in the 2nd half of 2021 and has succumbed to hamstrings this year. Snelling, Walla and failed trades for Rosas and Hill have left us devoid of any small forwards. Not to mention Jones and Langford injuries robbing Wright of any aerial support.

A fit Stringer, Langford and Jones paired with a couple of bigger mids and small forwards and we’re golden.

Forwardline? What's that?

 

[coastalpipeline]

If they sack Rutten they need to sack themselves as well.

Under pressure may mean more players being made examples of - and players who want to follow instructions being given extended opportunities. Lots of good things can happen under pressure.

Say a 1-11 win loss would definitely see that scenario and is quite possible from here.

2-8 does it for me.
Sack him!

 

[faible]

2-8 does it for me.
Sack him!

 

[lenny2013]

Over time the rebuild coach rarely makes it through to the glory.
Unfortunately the odds are against truck I think.

 

[Shanghaistu]

I’m as frustrated as anyone with our woeful display this year, but can we realistically talk about moving on an 18-month old coach when we still have people like XC, Dodoro and Brasher who have been presiding of the dumpster fire for 10+ years and a ‘saga’ residual that hasn’t completely washed through yet? I’m not saying he’s a great coach, but we won’t know until he really gets to do things on his own terms and the ‘baggage’ of deadwood people and ‘apologist’ culture can finally be laid to rest…

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I’m as frustrated as anyone with our woeful display this year, but can we realistically talk about moving on an 18-month old coach when we still have people like XC, Dodoro and Brasher who have been presiding of the dumpster fire for 10+ years and a ‘saga’ residual that hasn’t completely washed through yet? I’m not saying he’s a great coach, but we won’t know until he really gets to do things on his own terms and the ‘baggage’ of deadwood people and ‘apologist’ culture can finally be laid to rest…

Personally I think we're lucky to have a child prodigy for a coach who got us to finals before he reached his first birthday. A keeper for years to come.

Shows the right passion too...

 

[ghostdog]

Anyone ever seen Truck attending other games? Geelong v WB and Melbourne v. Sydney should be compulsory.

 

[ant555]

Anyone ever seen Truck attending other games? Geelong v WB and Melbourne v. Sydney should be compulsory.

You know he is not there ?
Have seen him at a couple of games personally.

 

[ghostdog]

You know he is not there ?
Have seen him at a couple of games personally.

No, just wondering.

 

[foj1]

Long way from Macedon

 

[BomberManU]

The 'Doomsday Scenario' is approaching - x3 prime time Friday night games in a row. Really need to win one of these, to relieve the pressure on BR. I don't think anyone expects us to win the first two, but we must be competitive. And, if we lose the third, against WCE???

 

[BrunoV]

The 'Doomsday Scenario' is approaching - x3 prime time Friday night games in a row. Really need to win one of these, to relieve the pressure on BR. I don't think anyone expects us to win the first two, but we must be competitive. And, if we lose the third, against WCE???

Yep.

It gets beyond the control of the board if we get belted twice and then cough up the game to WCE.

You'd have to start questioning Rutten pretty seriously anyway.

 

[bombreys]

Yep.

It gets beyond the control of the board if we get belted twice and then cough up the game to WCE.

You'd have to start questioning Rutten pretty seriously anyway.

Was thinking exactly this.

I we lose to Carlton and St Kilda - I dare say he'd be coaching for his career against West Coast. I don't necessarily agree with it, but if we're 2-11 and lose to the Eagles, I reckon that might be it.