Franklin is a better half forward than Ablett ever was

[footscore]

Franklin's final series averages

12 finals:
14 disposals, 5 marks, 3.5 goals (2 behinds) per game.


Gazza's final series averages

16 finals:
13.5 disposals, 5.5 marks, 4 goals (2 behinds) per game.




Franklin is supposedly at the peak of his powers having experienced finals between the age of 20-present.
When is the bloke going to turn it on like so many are waiting for?

Remembering Ablett was 28yrs of age before he finally played in his first final.

 

[Hodgepodge]

1985 - 16.8 Dispoals 4.1 goals
1986 - 15 Disposals 4.3 golas
1989 - 19.4 Disposals 3.8 goals
1990 - 16.1 Disposals 4.4 goals
1992 - 18.3 Disposals 3.4 goals

So it's just based on lies or miscalculation.

In 1986 Ablett averaged 14.9 disposals, not 15. I'd like to round it up, I really would, but than Franklin's 19.7 disposals this year would have to be 20, which mean he's the first 20 and 3 since Leigh Matthews

So Franklin continues to pull ahead of Ablett in higher end performances. This is amazing particularly since Franklin began his apprenticeship in the AFL, whereas Ablett began at Geelong as a mature age ready made player

So really Franklin has a few years yet to continue to put Ablett in his rear-view mirror.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Franklin's final series averages
Remembering Ablett was 28yrs of age before he finally played in his first final.

28 would be about his prime, particularly as he began as a mature age player

Also Ablett played most of his finals as a full-forward so you would expect higher goal returns. The fact that he's only 0.5 goals ahead despite playing mostly FF AND in his prime, AND in an era where full-forwards were more of a fulcrum towards goal, really just cements Franklin's domination of this head to head

 

[footscore]

28 would be about his prime

lol
just like Buddy is now in his prime and has not taken hold of a finals series once.
He's played bits here and there but he's been largely well held as we saw on the weekend.

Richards did a top job considering he had a knee injury and was laboring throughout. You'd think Buddy would have easily out marked him in contested situations or at the very least manage to slot 5-6 goals.
Unfortunately he's just an overrated star playing in a very good team.

 

[Hodgepodge]

lol
just like Buddy is now in his prime and has not taken hold of a finals series once.
He's played bits here and there but he's been largely well held as we saw on the weekend.

He was held to 24 disposals, 3 goals and numerous goal assists, yes.

Richards did a top job considering he had a knee injury and was laboring throughout.

Knee injury? Come now, the other day you said he'd done his knee completely. Don't undersell it!

You'd think Buddy would have easily out marked him in contested situations or at the very least manage to slot 5-6 goals

Of course, and he did. Most marks, most contested marks, on the ground.

The thing is Franklin has made a contribution at least in every Grand Final he's played in. Whereas Ablett went missing in most of his

 

[footscore]

He was held to 24 disposals, 3 goals and numerous goal assists, yes.

not much different to Ablett's 1992 GF performance where he kicked 3.1 and setup a couple as well as playing on the best defensive line in the competition for quite some time.

Franklin had no excuses as Richards was unfit.
3 goals was not good enough for a player the media hype as the likes of Carey, Ablett, Lockett and Dunstall would have absolutely slaughtered Richards both in the air and on the ground

Franklin's just a tall junk time scab and where the hell was this superstar in the 2nd quarter or the last quarters?
I distinctly remember seeing him beaten in a marking contest by Richards in the final quarter when his team needed him most.
But, like Hodge, Rioli and a few others.....Franklin did nothing in the last quarter.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

So it's just based on lies or miscalculation.

In 1986 Ablett averaged 14.9 disposals, not 15. I'd like to round it up, I really would, but than Franklin's 19.7 disposals this year would have to be 20, which mean he's the first 20 and 3 since Leigh Matthews

So Franklin continues to pull ahead of Ablett in higher end performances. This is amazing particularly since Franklin began his apprenticeship in the AFL, whereas Ablett began at Geelong as a mature age ready made player

So really Franklin has a few years yet to continue to put Ablett in his rear-view mirror.

I'm laughing at you, as you actually believe this. 1986 Ablett was 1 disposal off averaging 15 which in effect can be classified as 15.

So lying no. In effect Ablett is averaging over 4 goals a game in 3 of those yrs(Franklin once), clearly shows Ablett as the better player. If you think Franklin is anywhere near Ablett as a player based on stats, you're again proven wrong.

Franklin is an overrated, overhyped tall streak of duck shit, selfish and can't mark above his head without 2 grabbing.

He's also an average kick.

Keep your delusions to yourself in future.

PS: Go Swans.

Adios, no more circle work for me, season's finished. I hope you Enjoyed another pwning.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Don't respond to him footscore, he's delusional.

No need to even justify Ablett as being far superior.

I was merely proving his post wrong, which I did.

 

[Hodgepodge]

I'm laughing at you, as you actually believe this. 1986 Ablett was 1 disposal off averaging 15 which in effect can be classified as 15.

So he didn't average 15 at all. Near enough isn't good enough, otherwise I can count Franklin's 19.7 and 3.7 as 20 and 3.7 and the first 20 and 3 since Leigh Matthews

So lying no. In effect Ablett is averaging over 4 goals a game in 3 of those yrs(Franklin once), clearly shows Ablett as the better player. If you think Franklin is anywhere near Ablett as a player based on stats, you're again proven wrong.

Not at all, it just co-incides with Ablett's years filling in at full-forward, for the most part. From memory I think I labelled these years as 1985, 1986, and 1988.

 

[Brendon Goddard]

So he didn't average 15 at all. Near enough isn't good enough, otherwise I can count Franklin's 19.7 and 3.7 as 20 and 3.7 and the first 20 and 3 since Leigh Matthews



Not at all, it just co-incides with Ablett's years filling in at full-forward, for the most part. From memory I think I labelled these years as 1985, 1986, and 1988.

I don't even consider Franklin to be the best half forward in the league right now. Walker is better.

 

[Hodgepodge]

not much different to Ablett's 1992 GF performance where he kicked 3.1 and setup a couple as well as playing on the best defensive line in the competition for quite some time.

Uh, plenty different, particularly in the marks department. I think McIntosh was his master that day. Did he also get his pants pulled down by McIntosh in 1994 or was it a different full-back?

Franklin had no excuses as Richards was unfit.

So you've gone from done his knee, to knee, to just unfit. Next you'll say he had a slight headache. Please be consistent.

3 goals was not good enough for a player the media hype

Well of course it was given that he played through the midfield. Remember Franklin was in the top 5 disposal winners on the day.

Franklin's just a tall junk time scab and where the hell was this superstar in the 2nd quarter or the last quarters?

Yeah there's plenty of junk time when you're a few goals behind the opposition team. You're just destroying your own credibility at this point.

I distinctly remember seeing him beaten in a marking contest by Richards in the final quarter when his team needed him most

There's no time when he was needed more than another, the game was tight throughout and Franklin produced a great GF game. The fact that this bothers you don't change the reality that he was probably Hawthorn's best player on the day.

 

[Frankston Rover]

1986 Ablett was 1 disposal off averaging 15 which in effect can be classified as 15.

I was 1 number off having six numbers in lotto last night.

By your rationale, I'm a millionaire.

He didn't average 15 because you said yourself he was 1 off.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I was 1 number off having six numbers in lotto last night.

By your rationale, I'm a millionaire.

He didn't average 15 because you said yourself he was 1 off.

Don't go down the unsensible path now, that's reserved for the OP.

If you're even remotely agreeing with the OP, you're now in that category.

 

[Hodgepodge]

I was 1 number off having six numbers in lotto last night.

By your rationale, I'm a millionaire.

He didn't average 15 because you said yourself he was 1 off.

And even if i was to give him that year, he'd only be level with Franklin who still has a while to go. Oh boy, it's becoming a rout.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

And even if i was to give him that year, he'd only be level with Franklin who still has a while to go. Oh boy, it's becoming a rout.

No because then Ablett moved to full forward where he kicked over 100 goals in each of the next 3 season, before doing his knee and subsequently retiring.

You need to cut back the constant trolling and start talking some sense.

Ablett is the greatest player to ever play the game, something Franklin will never become.

PS: Still not level as Ablett averaged 4 goals in those 5 seasons 3 times, compared to Franklins once.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Don't respond to him footscore, he's delusional.

No need to even justify Ablett as being far superior.

I was merely proving his post wrong, which I did.

Suspect HP has never played competitive sport in his life either as you'd have to be a nerd to talk about decimal points and rounding in a Football ability argument.
There can be no dispute that Ablett was the better kick for goal , Franklin is also a freakish player but his potentially fatal flaw is his kicking for goal.
He had chances to ice the Adelaide game and failed and to only kick 3 against the Swans from the chances he had was just wasteful.
He had better get a kicking Coach ( like Tommy did) and correct his poor conversion else he will never reach his potential.

 

[Hodgepodge]

No because then Ablett moved to full forward where he kicked over 100 goals in each of the next 3 season, before doing his knee and subsequently retiring.

Yes he definitely did spend a large part of his career at full-forward, nevertheless the fact that he started as a mature age player means Franklin still has several years to go to get until we can make an even comparison. By then I expect he will be 3 or 4 in front.

Ablett is the greatest player to ever play the game

This is the guy who didn't make the starting 18 in the Team of the Century, right?

 

[Hodgepodge]

Suspect HP has never played competitive sport in his life either as you'd have to be a nerd to talk about decimal points and rounding in a Football ability argument.

Absolutely, but I'm not the one rounding up, that's MD. Thanks for your support.

 

[Freo2012]

what a stupid thread - Ablett far more consistent at top level, and really performed when it mattered

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

 

[powerofthepussie]

Is this the same Ablett that made team of the CENTURY???.............
Please Hawthorn flogs, your barking up the wrong tree.....

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Suspect HP has never played competitive sport in his life either as you'd have to be a nerd to talk about decimal points and rounding in a Football ability argument.
There can be no dispute that Ablett was the better kick for goal , Franklin is also a freakish player but his potentially fatal flaw is his kicking for goal.
He had chances to ice the Adelaide game and failed and to only kick 3 against the Swans from the chances he had was just wasteful.
He had better get a kicking Coach ( like Tommy did) and correct his poor conversion else he will never reach his potential.

I thought at first HP was just constantly trolling, but he actually believes Franklin is the better player. Boy.

 

[Hodgepodge]

what a stupid thread - Ablett far more consistent at top level, and really performed when it mattered

Not at all, in fact Franklin's consistency is probably what puts him ahead in the first place Ablett's big weakness was his lack of consistency.

Consider a few of Ablett's years where a large fraction of his goals were against the perennial cellar dwellers of the time. This would be the equivalent of Franklin kicking his 13 against the GWS instead of a top 8 side, and Ablett did this a few times. So there really is no argument that Franklin isn't the more consistent player.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Is this the same Ablett that made team of the CENTURY???.............

On the bench, sure. And that was at the end of his career.

This thread just points out that at the same stage of their careers, Franklin is producing more high end performances. Ever since he came of age, Franklin has averaged more than 15 disposals and 3 goals a game every year. Ablett only did this sporadically, and Franklin is now ahead in these performances

 

[Elite Master]

Ablett Snr - Stronger, more skilled, better all round game and more consistent. Franklin is a small forward in a tall mans body.